A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

BTV? If they think the Red Sox could get Dylan Cease and Luis Robert all for a Double A shortstop, they’re clearly using LSD.

 

Talk to them after the chartreuse elephant carrying the inflatable road map has left the room…

 

Massarotti was an actual professional big league announcer, a Red Sox analyst, paid by New England Sports Network... and he thinks Chicago would even consider a 1-for-1 deal swapping a 5 WAR centerfielder who hit 38 bombs for a minor leaguer?

 

BTW, here's how much he knows about Mayer -- Mazz said he sucked once he got to Double A (you know, where the kid tried to play with a bum shoulder that ultimately caused him to be shut down in the second half).

[notin]

Massarotti was an actual professional big league announcer, a Red Sox analyst, paid by New England Sports Network... and he thinks Chicago would even consider a 1-for-1 deal swapping a 5 WAR centerfielder who hit 38 bombs for a minor leaguer?

 

BTW, here's how much he knows about Mayer -- Mazz said he sucked once he got to Double A (you know, where the kid tried to play with a bum shoulder that ultimately caused him to be shut down in the second half).

 

Massarotti is either a moron or a liar. Quite possibly both.

 

It’s nauseating that people listen to him for information. He’s always been terrible. And I’m not talking “serial killer terrible,” nor “zombie apocalypse terrible”. He’s “Armageddon By Flaming Excrement Avalanche” terrible.

 

Does he even listen to his own stupidity? So Mayer sucked when he got to Double A, but the White Sox would still be willing to trade multiple years of their All Star 6 tool CF for him. (His sixth tool is charisma.)

Edited November 14, 2023 by notin

[moonslav59]

We now have 39 players on the 40 man roster with some expected winter additions to be made. While Wikelman and Perales might improve the look of the team, we still have a pretty lengthy list of players I would call expendable or easily replace.

 

My first to be DFA'd list:

1. Llovera

2. Jacques

3. Weiss

4. Gillaspie

5. Dalbec (traded?)

 

Trade candidates:

Mata (out of options)

Refsnyder (if we add a RH'd OF bat)

D Ham (not much ML MI depth on the farm may keep him around.)

E Valdez (the man without a position and likely not a good enough hitter to DH)

B Walter (may not bring back enough to give up on him)

W Mills (not sure about this guy)

Urias (was mentioned as a possible non tender and may make $5M in arb)

N Robertson (I think we keep him around.)

McGuire (Only if we add a catcher)

Dugo (Only if we add a RF'er- most likely a RHB.)

Sale (If we don't have to pay too much of his contract)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We now have 39 players on the 40 man roster with some expected winter additions to be made. While Wikelman and Perales might improve the look of the team, we still have a pretty lengthy list of players I would call expendable or easily replace.

 

My first to be DFA'd list:

1. Llovera

2. Jacques

3. Weiss

4. Gillaspie

5. Dalbec (traded?)

 

Trade candidates:

Mata (out of options)

Refsnyder (if we add a RH'd OF bat)

D Ham (not much ML MI depth on the farm may keep him around.)

E Valdez (the man without a position and likely not a good enough hitter to DH)

B Walter (may not bring back enough to give up on him)

W Mills (not sure about this guy)

Urias (was mentioned as a possible non tender and may make $5M in arb)

N Robertson (I think we keep him around.)

McGuire (Only if we add a catcher)

Dugo (Only if we add a RF'er- most likely a RHB.)

Sale (If we don't have to pay too much of his contract)

 

In some ways, this entire list looks as depressing as the roster of an expansion team. Think Seattle Pilots, circa 1969.

 

Jim Bouton's infamous Ball Four was mostly written about his time on that club. It was a comedy.

[notin]

We now have 39 players on the 40 man roster with some expected winter additions to be made. While Wikelman and Perales might improve the look of the team, we still have a pretty lengthy list of players I would call expendable or easily replace.

 

My first to be DFA'd list:

1. Llovera

2. Jacques

3. Weiss

4. Gillaspie

5. Dalbec (traded?)

 

Trade candidates:

Mata (out of options)

Refsnyder (if we add a RH'd OF bat)

D Ham (not much ML MI depth on the farm may keep him around.)

E Valdez (the man without a position and likely not a good enough hitter to DH)

B Walter (may not bring back enough to give up on him)

W Mills (not sure about this guy)

Urias (was mentioned as a possible non tender and may make $5M in arb)

N Robertson (I think we keep him around.)

McGuire (Only if we add a catcher)

Dugo (Only if we add a RF'er- most likely a RHB.)

Sale (If we don't have to pay too much of his contract)

 

The list of trade candidates seems to consist of players to trade to get rid of them, not players to deal to get something good. Their trade values decrease by being on the 40 man roster, since the acquiring team will obviously have to add them as well.

[moonslav59]

In some ways, this entire list looks as depressing as the roster of an expansion team. Think Seattle Pilots, circa 1969.

 

Jim Bouton's infamous Ball Four was mostly written about his time on that club. It was a comedy.

 

If you want to get really depressed, look at the bottom 18-20 guys on the 2020 roster, the bottom 12-14 on the '21 roster and bottom 10-12 on the '22 rosters. This is a list of 5 with maybe 2-3 from the "trade list" that look like the Pilots.

 

(BTW, I knew the Pilot team, well. They became the Milwaukee Brewers the next year, when I liked 2 blocks from County Stadium, and went to watch them play, often.)

[moonslav59]

The list of trade candidates seems to consist of players to trade to get rid of them, not players to deal to get something good. Their trade values decrease by being on the 40 man roster, since the acquiring team will obviously have to add them as well.

 

Some, yes, but honestly, if we DFA'd all 11, my guess is 9-11 would be claimed and placed on some team's 40 man.

[notin]

Some, yes, but honestly, if we DFA'd all 11, my guess is 9-11 would be claimed and placed on some team's 40 man.

 

In what timeframe?

 

I’ll take the under on that since a few are certain to reach MiLB free agency and take that route to another organization…

[mvp 78]

Some, yes, but honestly, if we DFA'd all 11, my guess is 9-11 would be claimed and placed on some team's 40 man.

 

Yes, they have some marginal trade value. They aren't bringing back what we need to fill out a starting lineup or rotation though.

[moonslav59]

In what timeframe?

 

I’ll take the under on that since a few are certain to reach MiLB free agency and take that route to another organization…

 

My list of trade candidates?

 

I said 9-11. The two might be from Mata, DHam and Walter, who might pass through waivers and be signed as a MiFA. You see more?

 

Mills?

 

Robertson?

 

Your "over/under" would be 3-5 would not get claimed?

[mvp 78]

In what timeframe?

 

I’ll take the under on that since a few are certain to reach MiLB free agency and take that route to another organization…

 

We saw enough guys get DFA'd last offseason and get claimed by other orgs. I don't think all 11 would get claimed though.

[moonslav59]

We saw enough guys get DFA'd last offseason and get claimed by other orgs. I don't think all 11 would get claimed though.

 

Remember, that list of 11 was after the 5 on my DFA list. With 39 on the roster, we are talking about #24 to #34. Some are on my list, because they have one year of control (Dugo,) are high salaried (Sale) or are out of options (Mata,) and not because they are surely not good enough. McGuire was listed with the condition that we added a catcher. DHam and Urais were listed as a trade candidate, if we add a MI'er to the 40. We won't trade both. Ref might be traded, if we add a RH'd bat to the OF and trust Rafaela will stick.

 

Walter is good enough to keep on the 40 for another few months, at least.

 

Mills and Robertson are question marks.

 

[moonslav59]

Andrew Bailey.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/red-sox-near-deal-to-hire-andrew-bailey-as-pitching-coach.html

[notin]

We saw enough guys get DFA'd last offseason and get claimed by other orgs. I don't think all 11 would get claimed though.

 

And some were subsequently DFAd by those orgs.

 

Teams sometimes claim a guy and then hope he passes through waivers so they can keep him without using a 40 man roster spot.

 

They rarely trade for that type of borderline talent, however…

[moonslav59]

And some were subsequently DFAd by those orgs.

 

Teams sometimes claim a guy and then hope he passes through waivers so they can keep him without using a 40 man roster spot.

 

They rarely trade for that type of borderline talent, however…

 

Several players on my list were not "borderline" types, but rather high salary or low team control year guys, like Sale, Dugo and Urias.

 

Refsnyder, McGuire and EValdez would probably be claimed.

 

Borderlines are Mata, DHam, Robertson and Mills. (4 out of the 11.)

[moonslav59]

MLBTR...

 

The Padres have claimed right-hander Logan Gillaspie off waivers from the Red Sox, per a team announcement out of Boston. The Padres have several open spots on their 40-man roster, so a corresponding move isn’t necessary. Boston’s 40-man roster count is now down to 38 players.

[mvp 78]

MLBTR...

 

The Padres have claimed right-hander Logan Gillaspie off waivers from the Red Sox, per a team announcement out of Boston. The Padres have several open spots on their 40-man roster, so a corresponding move isn’t necessary. Boston’s 40-man roster count is now down to 38 players.

 

They should have tried trading him!

[notin]

They should have tried trading him!

 

We missed out on Juan Soto!!

[Tedballgame]

Brave trade talk on Felger and Mazz.

 

Latter says trading Mayer for available big league talent makes sense. Felger, who admits he's clueless about baseball, wants Boston to keep its top three prospects.

 

Somehow, the dispute revolved around whether it was worth swapping Mayer to the White Sox for Cease AND Robert (even though Chicago just said the CF is off limits).

 

What, these guys don't consult BTV? Both also called him Marcelo MEYER, instead of the Mayor.

 

Felger and Mazz both suck. What a terrible talk show. Captain Negative and Doctor Doom. They hate Boston sports teams. Felger is a huge Milwaukee fan. Big Jim Murray is also a moron. Nothing positve comes out of their show and their opinions are garbage. They must listen to Tomase or Reimer, another couple of losers who hate Boston sports teams.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Felger and Mazz both suck. What a terrible talk show. Captain Negative and Doctor Doom. They hate Boston sports teams. Felger is a huge Milwaukee fan. Big Jim Murray is also a moron. Nothing positve comes out of their show and their opinions are garbage. They must listen to Tomase or Reimer, another couple of losers who hate Boston sports teams.

 

They were at it again yesterday -- Felger wants to keep the top prospects; Mazz wants to trade for Luis Robert, the one player the White Sox deem untouchable.

 

I only watch them sometimes because I'm interested in local sports talk on the last channel that's not completely overrun by gambling shows. I'd rather laugh than bet or parlay or flush money down the toilet that corporate gamblers will gladly match as long as I keep doubling my losses.

[mvp 78]

They were at it again yesterday -- Felger wants to keep the top prospects; Mazz wants to trade for Luis Robert, the one player the White Sox deem untouchable.

 

I only watch them sometimes because I'm interested in local sports talk on the last channel that's not completely overrun by gambling shows. I'd rather laugh than bet or parlay or flush money down the toilet that corporate gamblers will gladly match as long as I keep doubling my losses.

 

Felger and Mazz were only good back when they could be the butt of the joke on the Big O show. Mazz is ok sometimes when talking about baseball on his own show. The two of them definitely play it up for the camera like WWE.

[moonslav59]

Felger and Mazz were only good back when they could be the butt of the joke on the Big O show. Mazz is ok sometimes when talking about baseball on his own show. The two of them definitely play it up for the camera like WWE.

 

All part of the big corner.

[mvp 78]

All part of the big corner.

 

I don't get this reference.

 

The only references I know are "the older the buck, the stiffer the horn" and "you old bastards got alot of nerve. You think my 1992 season should have won me the CY Young. You're out of your league pal."

 

Honestly, if I had to redo my user name it would be a reference to Dick Radatz.

[Old Red]

I don't get this reference.

 

The only references I know are "the older the buck, the stiffer the horn" and "you old bastards got alot of nerve. You think my 1992 season should have won me the CY Young. You're out of your league pal."

 

Honestly, if I had to redo my user name it would be a reference to Dick Radatz.

 

The Monsta.👍

[moonslav59]

Newsflash! Sox looking to add to their rotation, this winter...

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/...on-market.html

...Ian Browne of MLB.com suggested in an appearance on the ITM podcast that the Boston front office prefers Montgomery to Snell or Nola...

 

...It’s also possible the Sox look to the trade market for rotation help. It’s difficult to envision the Rays trading Tyler Glasnow in division. Players like Corbin Burnes or Shane Bieber could be available as they enter their final seasons of arbitration eligibility...

[notin]

Newsflash! Sos looking to add to their rotation, this winter...

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2023/11/red-sox-exploring-top-of-rotation-market.html

 

...Ian Browne of MLB.com suggested in an appearance on the ITM podcast that the Boston front office prefers Montgomery to Snell or Nola...

 

...It’s also possible the Sox look to the trade market for rotation help. It’s difficult to envision the Rays trading Tyler Glasnow in division. Players like Corbin Burnes or Shane Bieber could be available as they enter their final seasons of arbitration eligibility...

 

The whole “won’t trade within the division” is either a media myth or straight up stupidity by teams.

 

If you’re dealing away your best players, it makes more sense to trade within the division than to trade outside it. Since you’re already running up the white flag on the present and building for the future, why not enhance your team’s future while simultaneously weakening that of a direct rival?

 

The only real arugument for trading outside the division is that the greater number of teams enhances the odds that one of them will be the one that presents the best return. That’s fine, but when all things are equal, within the division does give an added bonus…

[sk7326]

The whole “won’t trade within the division” is either a media myth or straight up stupidity by teams.

 

If you’re dealing away your best players, it makes more sense to trade within the division than to trade outside it. Since you’re already running up the white flag on the present and building for the future, why not enhance your team’s future while simultaneously weakening that of a direct rival?

 

The only real arugument for trading outside the division is that the greater number of teams enhances the odds that one of them will be the one that presents the best return. That’s fine, but when all things are equal, within the division does give an added bonus…

 

I think the trade in division hesitation is purely PR ... but it does seem to cause problems.

[mvp 78]

The whole “won’t trade within the division” is either a media myth or straight up stupidity by teams.

 

If you’re dealing away your best players, it makes more sense to trade within the division than to trade outside it. Since you’re already running up the white flag on the present and building for the future, why not enhance your team’s future while simultaneously weakening that of a direct rival?

 

The only real arugument for trading outside the division is that the greater number of teams enhances the odds that one of them will be the one that presents the best return. That’s fine, but when all things are equal, within the division does give an added bonus…

 

Today's TalkSox word of the day is MYTH. Everytime someone posts it kids, scream real loud!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think the trade in division hesitation is purely PR ... but it does seem to cause problems.

 

Only if you give away a future Cy Young winner to the Yankees -- for a Danny Cater.

[moonslav59]

Only if you give away a future Cy Young winner to the Yankees -- for a Danny Cater.

 

This board has never gotten over the Springs trade. It's all we talk about.