A Realistic View at 2024: Part I

[Hugh2]

Ok so maybe a Henry is opposed to long term big money contracts.

 

Well, the Sox need starting pitching. And it just so happens there is this ace-caliber Cy Young winning starting pitcher on the free agent market who’s a clear cut total jackass and insufferable human being but is apparently not a sexual assaulter and is no longer under suspension for being scammed, and also happens to prefer short term year-to-year contracts.

 

Should Romero be interested?

 

If the allegations were wrong, that changes a lot with me. I'd be open to signing him.

[moonslav59]

If the allegations were wrong, that changes a lot with me. I'd be open to signing him.

 

How will anyone ever know, for sure, if the allegations were wrong or not, partially wrong or not, or total BS?

[moonslav59]

Red Sox fans are still misinterpreting this. When building a roster, money will not be a factor.

 

BINGO!

 

True dat!

[mvp 78]

Ok so maybe a Henry is opposed to long term big money contracts.

 

Well, the Sox need starting pitching. And it just so happens there is this ace-caliber Cy Young winning starting pitcher on the free agent market who’s a clear cut total jackass and insufferable human being but is apparently not a sexual assaulter and is no longer under suspension for being scammed, and also happens to prefer short term year-to-year contracts.

 

Should Romero be interested?

 

Shut the f*** up with this white washed ********. Leave it in that other dumb thread.

[Duran Is The Man]

How will anyone ever know, for sure, if the allegations were wrong or not, partially wrong or not, or total BS?

 

did you not see all the texts where she was bragging about how she was going to blackmail him?

[jad]

How will anyone ever know, for sure, if the allegations were wrong or not, partially wrong or not, or total BS?

 

By looking at the evidence now available? (Unless of course you want to go the route that nothing whatsoever is certain, in which case we should probably begin discussions on whether or not you are a mass-murderer. I myself wouldn't know for sure, but I guess the fact that the issue has been brought up means that we really shouldn't be dealing with you.)

[moonslav59]

did you not see all the texts where she was bragging about how she was going to blackmail him?

 

Yes.

That's not proof he did nothing wrong.

[moonslav59]

did you not see all the texts where she was bragging about how she was going to blackmail him?

 

Did you see how OJ was found not guilty?

[Duran Is The Man]

Yes.

That's not proof he did nothing wrong.

 

ok, so then where is the proof he did something wrong??

[Bellhorn04]

ok, so then where is the proof he did something wrong??

 

Let's take this to the other thread please.

[Randy Red Sox]

If the allegations were wrong, that changes a lot with me. I'd be open to signing him.

 

The main problem with Bauer as I see it is that he is a total jerk. I remember watching once when Tito came to pull him Bauer turned and fired the ball into the CF bleachers. I think I'd stay away for that reason alone.

[Bellhorn04]

Other thread for Bauer please! Here's the link.

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20358-Trevor-Bauer-is-Suspended-for-2-Years?p=1569415#post1569415

[moonslav59]

Other thread for Bauer please! Here's the link.

 

https://www.talksox.com/forum/threads/20358-Trevor-Bauer-is-Suspended-for-2-Years?p=1569415#post1569415

 

Thanks.

[notin]

How will anyone ever know, for sure, if the allegations were wrong or not, partially wrong or not, or total BS?

 

At some point he is innocent until proven guilty, right?

[Hugh2]

The main problem with Bauer as I see it is that he is a total jerk. I remember watching once when Tito came to pull him Bauer turned and fired the ball into the CF bleachers. I think I'd stay away for that reason alone.

 

Come on man, don't you watch the movies?

 

The Sox just need the right mentor to help Bauer turn that passion into pure baseball energy.

[moonslav59]

At some point he is innocent until proven guilty, right?

 

My point is we will likely never know the full story.

 

To think that just because the woman used the words "blackmail" in a text means he did nothing wrong, is just not a certainty.

[notin]

My point is we will likely never know the full story.

 

To think that just because the woman used the words "blackmail" in a text means he did nothing wrong, is just not a certainty.

 

Ok what did he do wrong?

 

You don’t want to turn this into “he’s guilty!! I know he’s guilty! All we need now is a crime to charge him with.”

[Bellhorn04]

Some people you just can't reach.

[moonslav59]

Ok what did he do wrong?

 

You don’t want to turn this into “he’s guilty!! I know he’s guilty! All we need now is a crime to charge him with.”

 

I have never said anything close to that, so stop.

 

Saying we may never know everything is the truth. If you imply that means he is certainly guilty of something, that's on you, not me.

 

Is it beyond reason to think he did something very wrong, and the woman used a poor choice of words to text someone saying she's going to "blackmail him?"

 

Look, I have no idea what really happened, and neither do you. This speculation based on tidbits of information is not something I like to do. None of us know s***.

 

We read one piece of evidence, and now pretend to know everything?

 

Yes, that piece of evidence looks very damning against the woman, and likely was why she dropped the charges. I think he dropped charges, too.

[moonslav59]

Near total eclipse in Houston, now.

[notin]

I have never said anything close to that, so stop.

 

Saying we may never know everything is the truth. If you imply that means he is certainly guilty of something, that's on you, not me.

 

Is it beyond reason to think he did something very wrong, and the woman used a poor choice of words to text someone saying she's going to "blackmail him?"

 

Look, I have no idea what really happened, and neither do you. This speculation based on tidbits of information is not something I like to do. None of us know s***.

 

We read one piece of evidence, and now pretend to know everything?

 

Yes, that piece of evidence looks very damning against the woman, and likely was why she dropped the charges. I think he dropped charges, too.

 

So does the case against him rests on the theory she was texting about black snails and auto correct changed it?

 

Ok but at what point do you say “ We’ll we don’t know everything so maybe he’s still guilty” and at least acknowledge he was suspended for over a full season already, possibly while being innocent?

 

Right now the case against him isn’t even on the level of “Where’s there smoke…”. And even it if is, sometimes Where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire. But sometimes it’s just some guy vaping…

[Randy Red Sox]

So does the case against him rests on the theory she was texting about black snails and auto correct changed it?

 

Ok but at what point do you say “ We’ll we don’t know everything so maybe he’s still guilty” and at least acknowledge he was suspended for over a full season already, possibly while being innocent?

 

Right now the case against him isn’t even on the level of “Where’s there smoke…”. And even it if is, sometimes Where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire. But sometimes it’s just some guy vaping…

 

I think it is more likely that he was not guilty but nonetheless I do not like his overall character but if he would consider a 1 year deal for 15-18 million I might consider it. He really hasn't pitched much the past year or 2. Does anyone know how he has done in Japan?

[notin]

I think it is more likely that he was not guilty but nonetheless I do not like his overall character but if he would consider a 1 year deal for 15-18 million I might consider it. He really hasn't pitched much the past year or 2. Does anyone know how he has done in Japan?

 

Even without this incident, he’s always come across as an *******. And quite often has proudly admitted it…

[notin]

I think it is more likely that he was not guilty but nonetheless I do not like his overall character but if he would consider a 1 year deal for 15-18 million I might consider it. He really hasn't pitched much the past year or 2. Does anyone know how he has done in Japan?

 

Also you’re not even in the ballpark if you think Bauer will take less money than a qualifying offer would give him. He’s getting over $20mill, and a contract of 2yrs $55mill would be a steal if he’s on his game.

 

His history and personality will prevent many teams from getting involved, but not all of them. I would have no issues with him at all in Boston And think he’sa perfect fit for that teams needs and crappy economic restrictions. But if I was a predicting man (and I am), I would put him on the Mets next season…

[moonslav59]

So does the case against him rests on the theory she was texting about black snails and auto correct changed it?

 

Ok but at what point do you say “ We’ll we don’t know everything so maybe he’s still guilty” and at least acknowledge he was suspended for over a full season already, possibly while being innocent?

 

Right now the case against him isn’t even on the level of “Where’s there smoke…”. And even it if is, sometimes Where’s there’s smoke, there’s fire. But sometimes it’s just some guy vaping…

 

Indeed.

 

We just don'y know.

 

Is it possible he did something illegal, like not stopping at the "safe word," and the dumb-ass woman knew she could get money from it, and chose the word "blackmail," not knowing it's full meaning?

 

I know it's a stretch. but my point is, we don't know if he is guilty of anything illegal or immoral. I'm not taking any sides.

 

I think he will be signed, and I'm not against anyone who does sign him.

 

[moonslav59]

Here are the biggest contracts given out by the Sox under JH:

 

Free Agents and Extensions (No adjustments for inflation made)

(Manny's $160M/8 deal in '01 was pre-JH)

 

314/10 Devers '24

217/7 Price '16 (later dumped)

154/7 AGon '12 (later traded with salary dump CC)

145/5 Sale '20 (made $15M in '19)

142/7 Crawford '11 (later dumped)

140/6 Story '22

120/6 Bogey '20 w opt out after '22

110/5 JD '18

110/8 Pedey '14

95/5 Pablo '15 (later cut)

90/5 Yoshida (plus large positing fee)

88/4 HRam '15 (later cut)

83/4 Porcello '16

83/5 Lackey '10 (later traded)

73/7 Rusney Castillo (almost all in the minors)

70/5 JD Drew '07

68/4 Nate '19

52/6 Dice-K '07 (plus huge posting fee)

41/4 Youk '09 w option (traded)

41/6 Pedroia '09

40/4 Renteria '05 (later dumped)

40/4 VTek '05

39/3 Vic '13

38/3 Lowell '08

38/3 Lugo '07

32/2 Napoli '14

32/2 Jansen '23

31/4 Damon '02

30/3 Beckett '07 w option (traded)

30/4 Buchholz '12 w options

30/5 Lester '09 w option

(29/2 Peavy '13 traded Iggy for him after signing)

27/2 Dempster (retired after 1 yr)

26/2 Ortiz '13

26/3 Clement '13 (hit in the face by a LD)

26/4 Foulke '04 (gave us one great year)

20/1 Betts '19 (traded)

19/2 Barnes w option (traded)

18/2 Uehara '15

18/2 Martin '23

18/1 Devers '23

16/2 Cameron '10

14/2 Kike '21 (traded under next $10M/1 deal)

14/3 Vaz '19 w option (traded)

13/2 Moreland '18 (traded)

13/2 C Young '16

13/2 Scutaro '10 (traded)

12/1 Bogey '19

12/2 Jenks '11

11/1 SDrew

11/1 JBJ '20

11/1 Devers '22

 

Am I missing anyone who got more than $10M since 2003?

 

I'd like to see these numbers with inflation figured in.

 

 

[moonslav59]

If you account for inflation, our biggest deals might be:

1. Devers

2. Price

3. AGon

4. Crawford

5. Sale

6. Story

7. Pedey

8. JD-Pablo

10. HRam

11. Porcello

12. Lackey

13. Yoshida- JD Drew

15. Dice-K

16. Rusney

17. Nate

18. VTek-Renteria

20. Bogey (counting $60M/3)

 

[notin]

If you account for inflation, our biggest deals might be:

1. Devers

2. Price

3. AGon

4. Crawford

5. Sale

6. Story

7. Pedey

8. JD-Pablo

10. HRam

11. Porcello

12. Lackey

13. Yoshida- JD Drew

15. Dice-K

16. Rusney

17. Nate

18. VTek-Renteria

20. Bogey (counting $60M/3)

 

 

Accounting for inflation, Pedro’s 6 year $75mil contract in 1998 might be near the top…

[moonslav59]

Accounting for inflation, Pedro’s 6 year $75mil contract in 1998 might be near the top…

 

I was only counting under JH.

 

Manny's would beat Pedro's.

[Randy Red Sox]

Even without this incident, he’s always come across as an *******. And quite often has proudly admitted it…

 

that is really my main point but if this woman fabricated her story she needs to be held accountable as she has basically destroyed at least temporarily his career