Red Sox: Off Season '23-'24

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

My problems with that:

 

-I think Moto to the Sox is a pipe dream. Hardly anyone thinks the Sox are one of the faves to sign him. You don't think the Sox are signing him.

-The prices on Montgomery and Snell will likely be even higher than originally projected.

-Snell probably isn't a great target anyway because of his durability issues.

 

It's basically down to Montgomery. And I have serious doubts the Sox will pay what it takes to win that bidding war either.

 

The Sox passed on the reasonable deals - Gray, ERod, Wacha.

 

I think there's just something seriously wrong with their thinking. Or it could be that Henry is still putting the budget clamps on too tight.

 

Maybe they will prove me wrong.

 

Were Sox fans misled about Breslow coming in and taking charge of an established front office? At his introductory presser he certainly sounded like someone ready to shake things up...

 

... or were we just aching for massive change from the Bloom Era that we overlooked the obvious clonage of old CBO to new CBO?

 

Of course, we all read the Tom Werner "Full Throttle" quote -- but someone should've asked if he meant Kawasaki Ninjas or mini bikes.

[Bellhorn04]

I think I've already reached the point that if Moto signs with the Mets I'll be thrilled. Anybody but the Yankees. The Dodgers would also be kind of ridiculous.

[Bellhorn04]

Were Sox fans misled about Breslow coming in and taking charge of an established front office? At his introductory presser he certainly sounded like someone ready to shake things up...

 

... or were we just aching for massive change from the Bloom Era that we overlooked the obvious clonage of old CBO to new CBO?

 

Of course, we all read the Tom Werner "Full Throttle" quote -- but someone should've asked if he meant Kawasaki Ninjas or mini bikes.

 

Maybe John Henry wanted to Throttle Werner when he heard that.

[Bellhorn04]

Were Sox fans misled about Breslow coming in and taking charge of an established front office? At his introductory presser he certainly sounded like someone ready to shake things up...

 

Just think how positive and enthusiastic Bloom always seemed to be. How'd that turn out?

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe the hesitancy and indecision we thought Bloom was guilty of wasn't his fault at all. Maybe it's the "process" that sucks.

[mvp 78]

We CAN'T dump Yorke. Everyone was PRAISING MR Bloom for this great draft pick. Everyone but me. If the guy is MLB calibre why are we looking so hard for a 2B? After being drafted 4 years ago in the FIRST round wouldn't he be close to MLB ready by now?

 

Half of the players selected above him are in the same position he is in. Everyone was QUESTIONING this pick as it was seen as a stretch pick for a guy that should have been taken in the 2nd round at best. He'll be in AAA this year, which is close enough for a mid-year callup.

[mvp 78]

My problems with that:

 

-I think Moto to the Sox is a pipe dream. Hardly anyone thinks the Sox are one of the faves to sign him. You don't think the Sox are signing him.

-The prices on Montgomery and Snell will likely be even higher than originally projected.

-Snell probably isn't a great target anyway because of his durability issues.

 

It's basically down to Montgomery. And I have serious doubts the Sox will pay what it takes to win that bidding war either.

 

The Sox passed on the reasonable deals - Gray, ERod, Wacha.

 

I think there's just something seriously wrong with their thinking. Or it could be that Henry is still putting the budget clamps on too tight.

 

Maybe they will prove me wrong.

 

It's probably 5-10% chance. Sox probably see themselves as being darkhorses now from what I heard from Carrabis/Mazz on today's pod. There is a belief that if they miss out on Yamamoto, that they will NOT go big on another pitcher like Monty or Snell this season. They would wait until next season or explore a trade. They mentioned the Sox track record of bringing in guy via trade like Pedro, Beckett, Schilling and Sale rather than via FA. It's just harder to do as the Sox don't have the pitching talent to give back. Would have to maybe be a 3 team deal.

 

There is a big risk that the Sox continue to somewhat punt and not be a top tier team because Henry feels he's already gotten what he needs out of the franchise and that people will show up to Fenway regardless if they are Sox fans or visiting fans. They may be happy to spend in the 10-15th range and hope to splurge once in a while.

[notin]

Half of the players selected above him are in the same position he is in. Everyone was QUESTIONING this pick as it was seen as a stretch pick for a guy that should have been taken in the 2nd round at best. He'll be in AAA this year, which is close enough for a mid-year callup.

 

He probably would have been a second round pick, but Boston didn’t have one.

 

They identified a guy they liked and took him at their last chance to draft him. That’s exactly how drafting is supposed to work…

[Bellhorn04]

It's probably 5-10% chance. Sox probably see themselves as being darkhorses now from what I heard from Carrabis/Mazz on today's pod.

 

And darkhorses never win something like this.

[mvp 78]

Were Sox fans misled about Breslow coming in and taking charge of an established front office? At his introductory presser he certainly sounded like someone ready to shake things up...

 

... or were we just aching for massive change from the Bloom Era that we overlooked the obvious clonage of old CBO to new CBO?

 

Of course, we all read the Tom Werner "Full Throttle" quote -- but someone should've asked if he meant Kawasaki Ninjas or mini bikes.

 

FO probably doesn't realize how dysfunctional they are.

[mvp 78]

And darkhorses never win something like this.

 

They'd need to overbid.

 

He didn't visit. Owner didn't meet with him directly. I'm not sure what his actual preference is city wise. He grew up a Tanaka fan. He likes Ohtani.

[Dipre]

It's probably 5-10% chance. Sox probably see themselves as being darkhorses now from what I heard from Carrabis/Mazz on today's pod. There is a belief that if they miss out on Yamamoto, that they will NOT go big on another pitcher like Monty or Snell this season. They would wait until next season or explore a trade. They mentioned the Sox track record of bringing in guy via trade like Pedro, Beckett, Schilling and Sale rather than via FA. It's just harder to do as the Sox don't have the pitching talent to give back. Would have to maybe be a 3 team deal.

 

There is a big risk that the Sox continue to somewhat punt and not be a top tier team because Henry feels he's already gotten what he needs out of the franchise and that people will show up to Fenway regardless if they are Sox fans or visiting fans. They may be happy to spend in the 10-15th range and hope to splurge once in a while.

 

I thought your were an accountant, not JH's personal confidant.

[mvp 78]

He probably would have been a second round pick, but Boston didn’t have one.

 

They identified a guy they liked and took him at their last chance to draft him. That’s exactly how drafting is supposed to work…

 

He was a guy they liked. Most other teams valued him in the 2nd round. I was just refuting the "everyone was praising Bloom for the pick" comment. That was NOT the consensus at the time.

[Dipre]

And darkhorses never win something like this.

 

I'll take DeGrom to the Rangers for $500 Trebek.

[Dipre]

He was a guy they liked. Most other teams valued him in the 2nd round. I was just refuting the "everyone was praising Bloom for the pick" comment. That was NOT the consensus at the time.

 

That take was bad, and he should feel bad.

[notin]

Were Sox fans misled about Breslow coming in and taking charge of an established front office? At his introductory presser he certainly sounded like someone ready to shake things up...

 

... or were we just aching for massive change from the Bloom Era that we overlooked the obvious clonage of old CBO to new CBO?

 

Of course, we all read the Tom Werner "Full Throttle" quote -- but someone should've asked if he meant Kawasaki Ninjas or mini bikes.

 

 

You’re just taking my Ferrari/Kia Sedona metaphor to a new vehicle…

[mvp 78]

I thought your were an accountant, not JH's personal confidant.

 

I'm just reporting what I heard so that others don't have to listen to the podcast unless they want to hear the dulcet tones of Tony Mazz...

 

We do have a recent track record of Henry not wanting to spend. Until he does so, that's where we're at. They hired someone to tweak, not teardown, the Bloom formula. Until they actually go FULL THROTTLE, they are a middle of the pack spending team. Colorado Rockies East.

[notin]

He was a guy they liked. Most other teams valued him in the 2nd round. I was just refuting the "everyone was praising Bloom for the pick" comment. That was NOT the consensus at the time.

 

It only got any praise at all after his .928 OPS his first year…

[mvp 78]

I'll take DeGrom to the Rangers for $500 Trebek.

 

Good tax situation in TEX, I've heard.

[notin]

I thought your were an accountant, not JH's personal confidant.

 

I would bet anything JHs most trusted confidant is his accountant…

[Dipre]

I'm just reporting what I heard so that others don't have to listen to the podcast unless they want to hear the dulcet tones of Tony Mazz...

 

We do have a recent track record of Henry not wanting to spend. Until he does so, that's where we're at. They hired someone to tweak, not teardown, the Bloom formula. Until they actually go FULL THROTTLE, they are a middle of the pack spending team. Colorado Rockies East.

 

You listen to Mazz. Ewww. He's literally the only reason I'm glad I can listen or read Boston sports takes in spanish. f*** that guy.

[Dipre]

I would bet anything JHs most trusted confidant is his accountant…

 

Goddamn that's a good clapback. I tip my cap.

[notin]

I'll take DeGrom to the Rangers for $500 Trebek.

 

And I’ll make a true Daily Double. What is Ohtani and the Angels?

[mvp 78]

That take was bad, and he should feel bad.

 

If you redraft 2020, he's probably taken in the 1st round. Sox ended up being right.

 

The draft is a crapshoot, Sox got that pick right. The 3rd rounder that year seems like trade bait. Projected light tower power who shows power very little in game. Glove doesn't really play anywhere, but maybe becomes a 1B/3B/LF replacement for Dalbec?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You’re just taking my Ferrari/Kia Sedona metaphor to a new vehicle…

 

I'm not a vroom-vroom guy, but what little experience I have opening it up seems more in the hands and wrists on a bike than pegging a foot to the floor in a car.

[mvp 78]

You listen to Mazz. Ewww. He's literally the only reason I'm glad I can listen or read Boston sports takes in spanish. f*** that guy.

 

He's only good when away from Felger. He was fine on the baseball show. He was fine as a guest on Carrabis' pod. I wouldn't want to listen to him all that often, but I think you do need to listen to more than just the Mario Pepen's of the world.

[moonslav59]

My problems with that:

 

-I think Moto to the Sox is a pipe dream. Hardly anyone thinks the Sox are one of the faves to sign him. You don't think the Sox are signing him.

-The prices on Montgomery and Snell will likely be even higher than originally projected.

-Snell probably isn't a great target anyway because of his durability issues.

 

It's basically down to Montgomery. And I have serious doubts the Sox will pay what it takes to win that bidding war either.

 

The Sox passed on the reasonable deals - Gray, ERod, Wacha.

 

I think there's just something seriously wrong with their thinking. Or it could be that Henry is still putting the budget clamps on too tight.

 

Maybe they will prove me wrong.

 

If they missed out on Gray, ERod, Wacha, and I'll add Lugo, because they will end up adding one or two better SP'ers, all is good on that front, but like you, I have serious doubts we will pull it off.

[Dipre]

He's only good when away from Felger. He was fine on the baseball show. He was fine as a guest on Carrabis' pod. I wouldn't want to listen to him all that often, but I think you do need to listen to more than just the Mario Pepen's of the world.

 

Pepen is a dumbass. I don't listen to him. We have our own branch of affiliated sportscasters, some decent, some Mazz level bad.

[moonslav59]

Half of the players selected above him are in the same position he is in. Everyone was QUESTIONING this pick as it was seen as a stretch pick for a guy that should have been taken in the 2nd round at best. He'll be in AAA this year, which is close enough for a mid-year callup.

 

I don't recall anyone loving the pick. Some felt the underslot pick helped us get Jordan and Drohan, later, and that was a good thing, but I don't remember anyone loving this draft.

[Dipre]

And I’ll make a true Daily Double. What is Ohtani and the Angels?

 

I'll complete the trifecta with Robinson Cano to the Mariners. Not even Cano and his agent knew he was signing with the Mariners until he actually signed.