Devers next deal

[moonslav59]

He started off strong with the Pivetta deal, but really sucked balls after that.

 

The Ottavino & German trade was not bad and could get a lot better.

 

The Diekman for McGuire trade was good, even as just a salary dump. If McGuire works out, it's a steal.

 

The Vaz and Groome deals are still largely unknown, but I'm not holding out hope on Hamilton or Binelas or Winckowski and the far away prospects we got for Beni.

 

5 years of Verdugo and maybe something from Wong could be viewed as okay for one short season of Betts, but it's hard to see it that way.

 

Nothing for Lester and Bogey hurts more, to me.

[moonslav59]

 

Miracles are in heaven, stupidity is in Boston, only way is fans have to revolt and don't buy those expensive tickets, plenty of sports bars around Boston

 

So, basically just stop being a Sox fan.

 

Sorry- not happening.

 

Even if your plan was carried out- talk about a miracle, it would not cause the changes you hope it would.

 

They'd cut the player budget.

[moonslav59]

No, but the modus operandi with Bogey was identical to Lester - the pre-season insult, and the late effort that falls short.

 

I'm not even sure there ever was a late effort on Bogey. I never felt the late effort with Lester was genuine, and if there was one with Bogey, I'll probably feel the same about that.

 

I'm thinking, the Sox heard the ball park amounts being discussed with the Padres, and we never even made another offer.

[moonslav59]

Even participating by watching at a bar helps out ownership IMO. The only way to really stick it to them is complete apathy.

 

Even if somehow that happens, do you really think JH will decide to spend like SD, PHI, NYM, TEX & NYY? It seems like that is what JH has to do to be in the good graces of many fans, right now.

 

I try to be optimistic, but I'm not sure that would work. JH might cut the budget and or sell the team to someone who installs a $100-$150M budget.

[Bellhorn04]

At this point, why even be invested in Casas if he's just going to be somewhere else in 2028?

 

No, we've established him as part of the Early Lockup Gang.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not even sure there ever was a late effort on Bogey. I never felt the late effort with Lester was genuine, and if there was one with Bogey, I'll probably feel the same about that.

 

I'm thinking, the Sox heard the ball park amounts being discussed with the Padres, and we never even made another offer.

 

Once they let him get to free agency, they had no control of the situation.

[mvp 78]

So, basically just stop being a Sox fan.

 

Sorry- not happening.

 

Even if your plan was carried out- talk about a miracle, it would not cause the changes you hope it would.

 

They'd cut the player budget.

 

One thing I hate about Sox fans is how they just love to tell others how they should be as fans.

 

YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN! ONLY I AM A TRUE FAN!

 

Our brains are broken. We are all Sox fans. Some of us clearly have Stockholm Syndrome. Let's try to be better about not telling others to stop rooting for the Red Sox, please...

[mvp 78]

Even if somehow that happens, do you really think JH will decide to spend like SD, PHI, NYM, TEX & NYY? It seems like that is what JH has to do to be in the good graces of many fans, right now.

 

I try to be optimistic, but I'm not sure that would work. JH might cut the budget and or sell the team to someone who installs a $100-$150M budget.

 

What he has to do is just keep a few players around that fans can root for. If he just signed even one guy (Raffy) for his whole career, it'd ease a lot of the tension.

[mvp 78]

I'm not even sure there ever was a late effort on Bogey. I never felt the late effort with Lester was genuine, and if there was one with Bogey, I'll probably feel the same about that.

 

I'm thinking, the Sox heard the ball park amounts being discussed with the Padres, and we never even made another offer.

 

Then why would FO personnel tell Sean McAdam that they were definitely going to sign Bogey?

[mvp 78]

No, we've established him as part of the Early Lockup Gang.

 

We'll see. After that, he's gone.

[Old Red]

What he has to do is just keep a few players around that fans can root for. If he just signed even one guy (Raffy) for his whole career, it'd ease a lot of the tension.

 

JH should have just ponied up, and signed Mookie, Bogey, and Raffy, and then sold the team to someone who wants to really play ball. That would have done a lot more to ease the tension.

[Old Red]

Then why would FO personnel tell Sean McAdam that they were definitely going to sign Bogey?

 

Two possible answers that are pretty much the same they are so incompetent they didn’t know any better, or the are just spinning, and grinning, and still being incompetent.

[mvp 78]

JH should have just ponied up, and signed Mookie, Bogey, and Raffy, and then sold the team to someone who wants to really play ball. That would have done a lot more to ease the tension.

 

He didn't need to sign all of them. Just pick two. If he extended Mookie and Raffy, but let Bogey go, there wouldn't be the outrage we see now.

[notin]

The only reported offer to Bogey prior to reaching free agency was the $30 million bump. It's been reported extensively and never refuted, so I'm assuming it's accurate.

 

Even if it is accurate, there certainly should have been more negotiations. Not everything gets reported. How much Yoshida buzz was there before he signed? Or Jansen? Or Chris Martin?

 

These things don’t happen that quickly…

[moonslav59]

Once they let him get to free agency, they had no control of the situation.

 

I get that. It doesn't mean they made a mistake, if their intention was never to offer what the knew B orA$SS demanded.

 

It means they did not value him like others did.

 

It means that will be proven to be a mistake or not, later.

[moonslav59]

One thing I hate about Sox fans is how they just love to tell others how they should be as fans.

 

YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN! ONLY I AM A TRUE FAN!

 

Our brains are broken. We are all Sox fans. Some of us clearly have Stockholm Syndrome. Let's try to be better about not telling others to stop rooting for the Red Sox, please...

 

Good point, but sometimes I feel like, "with fans like these, who needs Yankee fans?"

[notin]

JH should have just ponied up, and signed Mookie, Bogey, and Raffy, and then sold the team to someone who wants to really play ball. That would have done a lot more to ease the tension.

 

Mookie reportedly wanted $400million. The Sox reportedly did go as high as $300mill, which was a lot more back then. I don’t think Mookie was all that willing to sign anything so quickly…

[moonslav59]

What he has to do is just keep a few players around that fans can root for. If he just signed even one guy (Raffy) for his whole career, it'd ease a lot of the tension.

 

I don't disagree, and I want JH to offer what it takes to get Devers. I'm not sure $400M/14 is what it will take, and I'd have severe reservations about a contract like that, but my point was ab out how a major fan revolt would work out.

 

Do you think JH would see a massive revolt in progress and it would force him to sign Devers, when he planned not to?

 

I'm not sure, but I'd think not.

[moonslav59]

Then why would FO personnel tell Sean McAdam that they were definitely going to sign Bogey?

 

Are you sure that report is accurate?

 

If it is, the FO is more F'd up than I thought.

[moonslav59]

Mookie reportedly wanted $400million. The Sox reportedly did go as high as $300mill, which was a lot more back then. I don’t think Mookie was all that willing to sign anything so quickly…

 

So we all agree:

 

$400M to Betts

$300M to Bogey

$350M to Devers

 

Maybe the rest of the roster is filled with Webers, Andrieses, Marwins and Santana's but hey we have our beloved stars to root for as we lose 90 games, every year.

 

Not sure it would have to be that way, but it very well could have been had JH kept the budget like he has the last 4 years.

 

[Old Red]

One thing I hate about Sox fans is how they just love to tell others how they should be as fans.

 

YOU'RE NOT A TRUE FAN! ONLY I AM A TRUE FAN!

 

Our brains are broken. We are all Sox fans. Some of us clearly have Stockholm Syndrome. Let's try to be better about not telling others to stop rooting for the Red Sox, please...

Good luck with that. He’s used it more than once that I KNOW about.

[Old Red]

Mookie reportedly wanted $400million. The Sox reportedly did go as high as $300mill, which was a lot more back then. I don’t think Mookie was all that willing to sign anything so quickly…

 

The Red Sox were always a day late, and a dollar short with Mookie. By the time they offered $200M it had gone up to $300M, and by the time they offered him $300M it had gone up to $400M.

[Old Red]

So we all agree:

 

$400M to Betts

$300M to Bogey

$350M to Devers

 

Maybe the rest of the roster is filled with Webers, Andrieses, Marwins and Santana's but hey we have our beloved stars to root for as we lose 90 games, every year.

 

Not sure it would have to be that way, but it very well could have been had JH kept the budget like he has the last 4 years.

 

 

Over dramatized as usual, and yes the Red Sox would have had their beloved stars. You finally understand what a lot of fans have been saying. What I don’t hear them saying is that oh boy the farm system is ranked higher now. Different strokes for different folks.

[mvp 78]

Two possible answers that are pretty much the same they are so incompetent they didn’t know any better, or the are just spinning, and grinning, and still being incompetent.

 

1. McAdam is a liar.

2. McAdam spoke with someone who really didn't know, like a low level source.

3. The Sox really believed Xander would come back and were delusional.

4. The Sox were lying.

[mvp 78]

Are you sure that report is accurate?

 

If it is, the FO is more F'd up than I thought.

 

If the report is wrong, McAdam is lying?

[mvp 78]

So we all agree:

 

$400M to Betts

$300M to Bogey

$350M to Devers

 

Maybe the rest of the roster is filled with Webers, Andrieses, Marwins and Santana's but hey we have our beloved stars to root for as we lose 90 games, every year.

 

Not sure it would have to be that way, but it very well could have been had JH kept the budget like he has the last 4 years.

 

 

$360 to Betts

$300 to Raffy

 

They spent 30+AAV on Price and 25+AAV on a broken down Sale. I think they could have afforded Betts and Raffy.

[Old Red]

If the report is wrong, McAdam is lying?

 

I think McAdams is one of the most trusted ones.

[moonslav59]

If the report is wrong, McAdam is lying?

 

One or the other, and I can see why people choose the Sox.

[Old Red]

1. McAdam is a liar.

2. McAdam spoke with someone who really didn't know, like a low level source.

3. The Sox really believed Xander would come back and were delusional.

4. The Sox were lying.

Definitely NO on #1. Possible on #2, and most likely #3, and #4.

[moonslav59]

$360 to Betts

$300 to Raffy

 

They spent 30+AAV on Price and 25+AAV on a broken down Sale. I think they could have afforded Betts and Raffy.

 

All at the same time AND had enough to build a decent roster around them?

 

I'm not defending JH. I wish and think he should spend more, but the reality is, he seems to set a mark and stick to it.

 

I'm not seeing why he'd spend more on top of keeping these guys.