Xander Bogaerts has signed with San Diego Padres

[redsoxrules]

Bogey is a top 15 player in the game. His production will be missed

[Old Red]

Bloom is most likely not here in 6 years, but Henry will be. I think it's obvious who would then decide the length of the deals.

 

I’m not so sure Henry will be.

[Old Red]

How do we know these prospects are going to pan out?

 

We don’t know if these prospects will pan out, and that starts with Casas, and Bello this year.

[mvp 78]

Bogey is a top 15 player in the game. His production will be missed

 

He is today. The worry is that he is 30 and that the contract is long and will be ugly in a few years. He's not a great defender and his good defensive numbers from this season wer a mirage due to the shift. We don't even know where he'll be playing in SD and how that will affect his hitting. He was dreadful when transitioned to 3b early in his career.

[mvp 78]

I’m not so sure Henry will be.

 

I disagree. He sold the SOCCER team because the value of those clubs are very volatile. I think he holds onto the Sox for a long time.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

How do we know these prospects are going to pan out?

 

... that's why I said "if all goes according to plan." Do you think for a minute a guy like Dombrowski wouldn't trade them for a Cy Young ace like Alcantara?

 

Of course, Dombro is an older gent, who may feel he's ducking doom more than the younger Bloom (who we now know revealed as the Grim Reaper of Red Sox baseball cards).

[jacksonianmarch]

Judge and Xander are different categories. Judge is eventually gonna fade into DH duties or he can hide in RF, but his bat will carry (until the POs). Xander had a ridiculously high BABIP and a massive drop in power. But he’s a middle infielder whose value is best at that spot. Pushing him to 3b or DH duties dramatically drops his value. And to guarantee into the 40s is dumb

[redsoxrules]

Judge and Xander are different categories. Judge is eventually gonna fade into DH duties or he can hide in RF, but his bat will carry (until the POs). Xander had a ridiculously high BABIP and a massive drop in power. But he’s a middle infielder whose value is best at that spot. Pushing him to 3b or DH duties dramatically drops his value. And to guarantee into the 40s is dumb

 

So paying someone 40 Mil a year to play DH smart. Got it

[Old Red]

So paying someone 40 Mil a year to play DH smart. Got it

 

Like I said earlier Judge is not a better player today than he was a year ago, and the Yankees botched letting Judge get to FA, and costing them lots of money just like the Red Sox botched the Bogey situation, and let him get to FA when according to Kennedy the mouthpiece of the Red Sox, and Bloom they wanted Bogey so bad. Actions proved otherwise.

[mvp 78]

Judge and Xander are different categories. Judge is eventually gonna fade into DH duties or he can hide in RF, but his bat will carry (until the POs). Xander had a ridiculously high BABIP and a massive drop in power. But he’s a middle infielder whose value is best at that spot. Pushing him to 3b or DH duties dramatically drops his value. And to guarantee into the 40s is dumb

 

I was thinking the Sox would have to move him to 3b/LF/RF at some point. We'll see what the Padres will do with him. The power decrease was dramatic last season and I do remember MANY posters on here complaining about his RBI totals and him not being able to get it done in the clutch.

[moonslav59]

The offer last spring told me all I needed to know about Bloom, and JH, and so did Bogey. The funny part is that some bought into the Kennedy, and Bloom spin, and grin.

 

Nobody liked that lowball offer. Nobody.

[mvp 78]

Like I said earlier Judge is not a better player today than he was a year ago, and the Yankees botched letting Judge get to FA, and costing them lots of money just like the Red Sox botched the Bogey situation, and let him get to FA when according to Kennedy the mouthpiece of the Red Sox, and Bloom they wanted Bogey so bad. Actions proved otherwise.

 

It means the Sox need to either extend Raffy now or trade him. Like do it today.

[notin]

I guess the momentum that the Red Sox had with Bogaerts was that they were giving him a push out of town.

 

They need more bats now and I don’t know where Bloom is going to find them.

 

Replacing Bogaerts’ bat can be done, even on the free agent market. Or maybe that was they did with Story last year…

[moonslav59]

They won't pay 300M to Devers. They should trade him this offseason.

 

If we don't learn the lesson from Bogey, and lose Devers for just a comp pick, some serious head smacks need to be given- or worse.

 

I'm not even sure Bloom has a major role in that choice.

[redsoxrules]

If the Sox don't get another SS and play Story there, then we know all along what the plan was and this ownership talks of wanting to keep Bogey was all a charade

[mvp 78]

If we don't learn the lesson from Bogey, and lose Devers for just a comp pick, some serious head smacks need to be given- or worse.

 

I'm not even sure Bloom has a major role in that choice.

 

If they all walk and Bloom isn't fired, it tells us that it was an ownership call. 100%

 

They need to be more aggressive in extending their own guys like they did with Whitlock. Maybe Bloom has the willingness to do it, but the Sox have just let it go too long in the past? IDK

[notin]

The devil you ray...

 

In three years, if all goes according to plan, the core of the next sustained contender in Boston will feature guys like Casas, Bello, Mayer and Bleis -- and all will be extended for the same total investment that the San Diego Big Macs just gave Xander Bogaerts.

 

 

I think the plan is obvious now. Bloom, with help from other GMs, plotted to flood the market with quality shortstops, knowing full well his former employer simply could not resist them. And once Friedman had bloated his payroll with an army of shortstops, Bloom will strike! And pry away via either trade or contract offer - Friedman’s prized (non-shortstop) possession in Juan Soto, and do it while an engorged Friedman lay helpless like one of those cartoonish Roman emperors on a big fluffy pillow being fed grapes…

[mvp 78]

If the Sox don't get another SS and play Story there, then we know all along what the plan was and this ownership talks of wanting to keep Bogey was all a charade

 

An embarrassing charade for sure. All their PR ******** just needs to stop. I don't want the front office to be an icky used car salesman. Just run a baseball team and shut the f*** up.

[mvp 78]

I think the plan is obvious now. Bloom, with help from other GMs, plotted to flood the market with quality shortstops, knowing full well his former employer simply could not resist them. And once Friedman had bloated his payroll with an army of shortstops, Bloom will strike! And pry away via either trade or contract offer - Friedman’s prized (non-shortstop) possession in Juan Soto, and do it while an engorged Friedman lay helpless like one of those cartoonish Roman emperors on a big fluffy pillow being fed grapes…

 

Bloom is planning San Diego North East.

[Bellhorn04]

Sure Henry controls the money but when DD was here there didn't seem to be a limit.

 

I think Henry actually started putting the clamps on DD after 2018.

[redsoxrules]

Carlos Correa must be licking his chops now.

[notin]

If they all walk and Bloom isn't fired, it tells us that it was an ownership call. 100%

 

They need to be more aggressive in extending their own guys like they did with Whitlock. Maybe Bloom has the willingness to do it, but the Sox have just let it go too long in the past? IDK

 

I think they want to do it, but have not had the chance with the payroll what it has been. It would have been really hard to lock up Devers for 10 years $210mill two years ago, because he might think “that’s JD Martinez money. Do they think I’m not better than JD Martinez?”

[Bellhorn04]

Carlos Correa must be licking his chops now.

 

You'd think so, but for whatever reason he seems to be the guy who gets left hanging around. That's what happened last year, anyway.

[mvp 78]

Carlos Correa must be licking his chops now.

 

12/380? Cubbies?

[mvp 78]

You'd think so, but for whatever reason he seems to be the guy who gets left hanging around. That's what happened last year, anyway.

 

Bloom: We'll give you 1/40.

[mvp 78]

I think they want to do it, but have not had the chance with the payroll what it has been. It would have been really hard to lock up Devers for 10 years $210mill two years ago, because he might think “that’s JD Martinez money. Do they think I’m not better than JD Martinez?”

 

Does it matter if JD is on the Sox or elsewhere? Guys know what EVERYONE is paid.

[oldtimer]

$280/11

 

Who, here, would have done that?

 

I was thinking that $225/8 was a bit too high. While the extra $55M/3 does not seem too bad, those last 3 years will be at an advanced age and certainly not as a SS.

 

I can't imagine him staying at SS more than maybe 3 years, especially since the Padres have about 5 SSs- some are better defenders at SS.

 

I'm at least glad he went to the NL, but I hate seeing him go. Lots of great memories.

 

I hope Devers doesn't make this a tri-defecta.

 

 

I would not have done the contract. It makes no sense for a team striving to improve since it limits what could be done to bring in additional talent. Since Devers and Bogaerts are reportedly friends, I expect he will look for and get more than the Sox will offer and be gone after 2023. I look at the WS champs and ask myself if they would have done the Bogaerts contract. I doubt that as they certainly look for value when they spend. Bogey is an excellent player but certainly won't be for 11 years.

[moonslav59]

Bogey is a top 15 player in the game. His production will be missed

 

I'm not sure about top 15, even among just everyday players, excluding pitchers.

 

If you cherry pick the sample size (2015-2022) and figure in some players who were not around in 2015, 2016 or 2017, I'm not sure he's top 15.

 

fWAR 2015> (with PAs)

 

53 Trout 3964

48 Betts 4851

42 Lindor 4740

41 Arenado 4850

41 Altuve 4707

40 Goldschmidt 4998

40 J Ramirez 4433

39 Freeman 4752

38 Machado 5007

36 Judge 3161

34 Harper 4419

12. (34) Bogaerts 4745

13. (32) Donaldson 3976

15. T Turner 32 (3737)

16. Correa 31 (3813)

17. Springer 31 (4147)

19. Bregman 31 (3474)

26. Seager 26 (3373)

36. Soto 23 (2667)

48. Acuna 18 (2297)

51. Devers 18 (2958)

89. Y Alvarez 14 (1537)

94. Tatis 14 (1175)

 

[moonslav59]

He is today. The worry is that he is 30 and that the contract is long and will be ugly in a few years. He's not a great defender and his good defensive numbers from this season wer a mirage due to the shift. We don't even know where he'll be playing in SD and how that will affect his hitting. He was dreadful when transitioned to 3b early in his career.

 

You think SD told him he'd play SS, or did that even matter?

[moonslav59]

If they all walk and Bloom isn't fired, it tells us that it was an ownership call. 100%

 

They need to be more aggressive in extending their own guys like they did with Whitlock. Maybe Bloom has the willingness to do it, but the Sox have just let it go too long in the past? IDK

 

So, can we look back and blame (since blaming is important on this site) the GM for not extending Betts, Bogey and Devers way before they neared free agency?

 

I get the argument about extending Bogey last winter or two or even early this season, but deals like Whitlock and the ones we see ATL, TBR and others handing out quite often.