Red Sox Sign Masataka Yoshida

[mvp 78]

But one certainly could interpret it that way, and the 1975 World Series was 48 years ago, so even middle age people were born since then…

 

Those familiar with TalkSox lore know the reason for the ‘78 moniker: I’m a huge Willie Stargell fan.

[moonslav59]

Those familiar with TalkSox lore know the reason for the ‘78 moniker: I’m a huge Willie Stargell fan.

 

A worthy man to admire.

[notin]

Those familiar with TalkSox lore know the reason for the ‘78 moniker: I’m a huge Willie Stargell fan.

 

Of course. And undoubtedly an even bigger Willie Stargell fan beat you to the moniker “mvp79”, which would have made actual sense

Edited August 24, 2023 by notin

[moonslav59]

Of course. And undoubtedly an even bigger Willie Stargell fan best you to the moniker “mvp79”, which would have made actual sense

 

Or "MVP71"

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

In 1979, Willie Stargell -- who was 9th on the Pirates in WAR -- was named co-MVP of the National League, along with Keith Hernandez. Pops received 10 first-place votes, compared to 4 for Hernandez.

 

Stargell was also voted outright as MVP of the '79 NLCS and the '79 World Series. That's a lot of voter integrity in a lot of secure venues.

[mvp 78]

Of course. And undoubtedly an even bigger Willie Stargell fan beat you to the moniker “mvp79”, which would have made actual sense

 

Hmmm, that doesn't sound right! I could have sworn that my favorite childhood player won the MVP in 1978. Huh! I know for sure it wasn't the Cobra Dave Parker.

[notin]

Hmmm, that doesn't sound right! I could have sworn that my favorite childhood player won the MVP in 1978. Huh! I know for sure it wasn't the Cobra Dave Parker.

 

It’s a Sox board; you could always feign adoration for Jim Rice.

 

But we forgive you mixing up the MVP years of your childhood idol; you were just an infant at the time

[mvp 78]

It’s a Sox board; you could always feign adoration for Jim Rice.

 

But we forgive you mixing up the MVP years of your childhood idol; you were just an infant at the time

 

Jim... Rice? That's like a made up last name right? Like Matt Carrot or Charlie Pasta? Is he a create a ballplayer from some new video game I don't know about? I'm just a lowly J-E-T-S fan emerging from the primordial ooze.

[notin]

Jim... Rice? That's like a made up last name right? Like Matt Carrot or Charlie Pasta? Is he a create a ballplayer from some new video game I don't know about? I'm just a lowly J-E-T-S fan emerging from the primordial ooze.

 

 

There is no such thing as a Jets’ fan. I assume that’s a typo and you meant either “Mets” or “Nets”.

[moonslav59]

There is no such thing as a Jets’ fan. I assume that’s a typo and you meant either “Mets” or “Nets”.

 

There might be some, but only one admits to being one.

[Old Red]

There might be some, but only one admits to being one.

 

Him, and Greenie.

[mvp 78]

There might be some, but only one admits to being one.

 

I know they exist on this board. I've seen the posts.

[Bellhorn04]

There's a selection of baseballs autographed by Jim Rice on the Red Sox MLB Shop web site, and they're pretty reasonably priced compared to some of the others. Nice legible signature, too.

[Bellhorn04]

Yoshida's last 46 games/42 starts

 

29 K's

3 BB's

 

That ratio is like twice as bad as Will Middlebrooks.

 

Plus no less than 8 GIDP's.

 

Yoshida's value as a major league player is vanishing before our eyes.

[moonslav59]

Yoshida's last 46 games/42 starts

 

29 K's

3 BB's

 

That ratio is like twice as bad as Will Middlebrooks.

 

Plus no less than 8 GIDP's.

 

Yoshida's value as a major league player is vanishing before our eyes.

 

Based on the assumption that the last 42 games Yoshida is the one we will see going forward.

[Bellhorn04]

Based on the assumption that the last 42 games Yoshida is the one we will see going forward.

 

You have to admit those are horrific numbers.

 

It looks like the book on him now is to attack the strike zone and it is succeeding immensely.

 

His fWAR has petered down to 0.7.

[Bellhorn04]

In April/May he had 21 K's and 20 BB's.

 

Since June 1 it's 40 K's and 10 BB's.

[moonslav59]

You have to admit those are horrific numbers.

 

It looks like the book on him now is to attack the strike zone and it is succeeding immensely.

 

His fWAR has petered down to 0.7.

 

No doubt: horrific and extremely concerning.

 

I also remember criticism over his s tart to his MLB career (.560 after the first couple weeks.) He adjusted and bounced back.

 

Maybe he needs to readjust to the adjustments pitchers made on him. Maybe he can- maybe not. I'm worried, too, but I don't think taking a player's worst 40-45 game stretch and acting like this is what we will see, forever is not really fair.

 

I'm not forgetting he also had a 75 game stretch of .942 ball from April 20th up to July 25th. (.886 from 4/20 to 8/7.)

 

His actual slump is really 26 games at .503. (july 26>)

 

He was fine in his 15-20 games before that. (1.055 from July 1 to July 25th- 16 games.)1.121 from June 30-July 25.

 

I think you are being rather harsh over 26 games.

[moonslav59]

In April/May he had 21 K's and 20 BB's.

 

Since June 1 it's 40 K's and 10 BB's.

 

His June 1>>> numbers are not great. His .313 OBP is scary. That is 278 PAs and significant.

 

A .731 OPS is not what we need from a guy getting paid that much and destined to play DH for the remainder of his contract, starting in 2024.

 

It is worrisome, to say the least, but it is just once chosen sample size. A more recent one shows improvement in the trend, while an even more recent and smaller one shows greater worry.

 

.713 June 1>>>

.759 June 30>>> Not great, but better than June 1>>>

.659 July 16>>>

.538 July 30>>>

 

He was at .862 from June 1 to July 22, so making it look like he's been bad since June 1st is a bit misleading.

 

Bad on BBs, yes, but I'll take .862 with a .368 OBP.

 

It should be about 19Ks and 2BBs in his last 115 PAs- a much smaller sample size and less worrisome..

Edited August 26, 2023 by moonslav59

[Duran Is The Man]

No doubt: horrific and extremely concerning.

 

I also remember criticism over his s tart to his MLB career (.560 after the first couple weeks.) He adjusted and bounced back.

 

Maybe he needs to readjust to the adjustments pitchers made on him. Maybe he can- maybe not. I'm worried, too, but I don't think taking a player's worst 40-45 game stretch and acting like this is what we will see, forever is not really fair.

 

I'm not forgetting he also had a 75 game stretch of .942 ball from April 20th up to July 25th. (.886 from 4/20 to 8/7.)

 

His actual slump is really 26 games at .503. (july 26>)

 

He was fine in his 15-20 games before that. (1.055 from July 1 to July 25th- 16 games.)1.121 from June 30-July 25.

 

I think you are being rather harsh over 26 games.

 

when i think about what they're spending on this guy, i just see a lot of money for a .7 fWAR.

[notin]

You have to admit those are horrific numbers.

 

It looks like the book on him now is to attack the strike zone and it is succeeding immensely.

 

His fWAR has petered down to 0.7.

 

His bWAR is 1.3. I thought you were down on fWAR…

[Bellhorn04]

His bWAR is 1.3. I thought you were down on fWAR…

 

Not sure when I said I was down on fWAR. I've talked about the big differences between fWAR and bWAR for pitchers, which inspired me to suggest a new stat called FUBAR which is the average of the two.

 

But for position players, I have no issues with fWAR at all.

[moonslav59]

when i think about what they're spending on this guy, i just see a lot of money for a .7 fWAR.

 

I see that, too.

 

It worries me. He needs an OBP over .350 and enough extra base hits to earn that money as a DH.

[redsoxrules]

No doubt: horrific and extremely concerning.

 

I also remember criticism over his s tart to his MLB career (.560 after the first couple weeks.) He adjusted and bounced back.

 

Maybe he needs to readjust to the adjustments pitchers made on him. Maybe he can- maybe not. I'm worried, too, but I don't think taking a player's worst 40-45 game stretch and acting like this is what we will see, forever is not really fair.

 

I'm not forgetting he also had a 75 game stretch of .942 ball from April 20th up to July 25th. (.886 from 4/20 to 8/7.)

 

His actual slump is really 26 games at .503. (july 26>)

 

He was fine in his 15-20 games before that. (1.055 from July 1 to July 25th- 16 games.)1.121 from June 30-July 25.

 

I think you are being rather harsh over 26 games.

 

The fact that his FWAR is 0.7 even with that with that hot stretch is even more concerning.

 

If you notice lately his dinky weak grounders on his chop swings or bloop fly ball singles are not falling as much as when he had that streak. It was just a matter of time that we were going to see his current status

[notin]

The fact that his FWAR is 0.7 even with that with that hot stretch is even more concerning.

 

If you notice lately his dinky weak grounders on his chop swings or bloop fly ball singles are not falling as much as when he had that streak. It was just a matter of time that we were going to see his current status

 

And his hard line drives are getting caught, like that one too Peralta last night…

[redsoxrules]

And his hard line drives are getting caught, like that one too Peralta last night…

 

He rarely hits line drives. Look at his barrel rate and hard hit contact. Its not very good. Bottom of the league

[moonslav59]

The fact that his FWAR is 0.7 even with that with that hot stretch is even more concerning.

 

If you notice lately his dinky weak grounders on his chop swings or bloop fly ball singles are not falling as much as when he had that streak. It was just a matter of time that we were going to see his current status

 

That still does not mean he will stay stuck in this mode for the next 4 years.

[redsoxrules]

That still does not mean he will stay stuck in this mode for the next 4 years.

 

No, I would hope not! Or else he would be DFAd before it ends.

 

He won't be stuck in this current mode but it's not looking good

[Bellhorn04]

That still does not mean he will stay stuck in this mode for the next 4 years.

 

It's not for certain, no. But where he is essentially an overaged rookie, he doesn't have a track record of success in MLB that we can look to for reassurance that he can hit MLB pitching over a full season.

[moonslav59]

It's not for certain, no. But where he is essentially an overaged rookie, he doesn't have a track record of success in MLB that we can look to for reassurance that he can hit MLB pitching over a full season.

 

No, but he has a long track record of getting on base at a nice rate.

 

I doubt he ends up near .400 like he did in Japan, but I think he'll do better than he has in the last 3 weeks.