The 2023 Red Sox Budget

[moonslav59]

Choosing the difference between trading him for something or keeping him one more year is like a choice between...well, any two really s***ty things you can think of.

 

Indeed, and unless you think 2023 is "the window," what I think is best for the team, and maybe not the short-term view fans, would be to trade him, if an only if, we are pretty certain we can't extend him.

[moonslav59]

Isn’t that exactly what you keep doing?

 

To quote Ole Red, "Where did I ever say _____?"

[notin]

Indeed, and unless you think 2023 is "the window," what I think is best for the team, and maybe not the short-term view fans, would be to trade him, if an only if, we are pretty certain we can't extend him.

 

I’d rather extend Devers, defensive shortcomings and all, then sign anyone on the market this year…

[moonslav59]

I’d rather extend Devers, defensive shortcomings and all, then sign anyone on the market this year…

 

No doubt. This market is not all that great.

 

I could see us making 2 impact moves, this winter, that set us up to do better in 2023 but also beyond. Maybe, sign Devers and Correa, and then go shorter term everywhere else, reset and go big in 2024.

 

Getting Correa might make the anxious fans happy enough to wait it out for 2024. Would they be happier signing Correa over just bringing Bogey and Devers back and trotting out, basically the same team in 2023?

 

So, maybe extend Devers, sign Correa and shorter term guys like Gallo or Conforto, Nate and 3 decent RP'er.

 

Not sure that placates the anxious fans.

[notin]

Eovaldi hopefully accepts his QO.

 

Sign Gallo for RF.

 

Sign 2 relievers. Jansen, Martin and Rogers are the best ones left.

 

SS is a big question…

[Old Red]

No doubt. This market is not all that great.

 

I could see us making 2 impact moves, this winter, that set us up to do better in 2023 but also beyond. Maybe, sign Devers and Correa, and then go shorter term everywhere else, reset and go big in 2024.

 

Getting Correa might make the anxious fans happy enough to wait it out for 2024. Would they be happier signing Correa over just bringing Bogey and Devers back and trotting out, basically the same team in 2023?

 

So, maybe extend Devers, sign Correa and shorter term guys like Gallo or Conforto, Nate and 3 decent RP'er.

 

Not sure that placates the anxious fans.

I don’t think signing Correa over Bogey for more money would make the anxious fans happy enough to wait for 2024. 2023 is the only thing that matter right now to some. Signing Correa, and bringing Raffy, and trotting out basically the same team I can’t see being any better off. If you are not sure what placates anxious fans by now you will never know. I’ll take a big shot at the dark on this, and I’ll say a winning competitive team that plays in the postseason

Unlike this last year that was a losing last place in the Div team.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I’d rather extend Devers, defensive shortcomings and all, then sign anyone on the market this year…

 

That's where I'm at. He's only led all of baseball in extra base hits since he became a full-timer four years ago -- and it's not even close. He's 26.

[moonslav59]

I don’t think signing Correa over Bogey for more money would make the anxious fans happy enough to wait for 2024. 2023 is the only thing that matter right now to some. Signing Correa, and bringing Raffy, and trotting out basically the same team I can’t see being any better off. If you are not sure what placates anxious fans by now you will never know. I’ll take a big shot at the dark on this, and I’ll say a winning competitive team that plays in the postseason

Unlike this last year that was a losing last place in the Div team.

 

My point was signing Correa might get more people to pay for NESN and tickets. Of course, we'd have to win more to keep the anxious fans happy for 2023.

[moonslav59]

Eovaldi hopefully accepts his QO.

 

Sign Gallo for RF.

 

Sign 2 relievers. Jansen, Martin and Rogers are the best ones left.

 

SS is a big question…

 

Unless we get a good SS, that team is not much better than 2022. Gallo> JBJ & Co.

 

2 RP"ers > Strahm

 

No replacements for Wacha and Hill.

[Hugh2]

The Red Sox are top spenders everything single year for the last two and a half decades. They go right up against or over the cap every year. There’s zero chance they don’t spend at least 90 million this offseason.

 

There is a plethora of SS talent with a big 4, and a position the Sox have a huge hole at. I think it’s a bad bet to assume the Sox aren’t very likely to sign one of those guys.

[Hugh2]

I actually wouldn’t mind if Nathan rejects the QO. Go out and find two 15 mil types and net a pick. Conversely there’s a real good chance the QO kills his market and the Sox can get him at a lower AAV for the next three years. They need starters after 2023 too.

[Old Red]

My point was signing Correa might get more people to pay for NESN and tickets. Of course, we'd have to win more to keep the anxious fans happy for 2023.

 

I got your point, but why do you think signing Correa for more money would appease the fans over signing Bogey, which was my point? I don’t believe it would.

Edited November 12, 2022 by Old Red

[notin]

I actually wouldn’t mind if Nathan rejects the QO. Go out and find two 15 mil types and net a pick. Conversely there’s a real good chance the QO kills his market and the Sox can get him at a lower AAV for the next three years. They need starters after 2023 too.

 

I think Eovaldi is actually a very underrated as a pitcher when he’s healthy. And there is definite irony in me advocating for him after railing against his last contract. But for 1-2 years, I can deal. Maybe.

 

A rotation of Eovaldi, Sale, Paxton, Pivetta and Whitlock has some potential. Although one more starter to push Whitlock back to the pen would be good. Bello, Mata, Crawford, and Winckowski would be needed as depth barring unforeseen good luck with those five. One more arm to be safe.

 

The bullpen then has Houck, Schreiber, Barnes, Brasier, Taylor, and Kelly. Hopefully they get a starter and push Whitlock back. Or trade Duran for a reliever. Or sign a free agent. Or any combination of those moves…

[Old Red]

I think Eovaldi is actually a very underrated as a pitcher when he’s healthy. And there is definite irony in me advocating for him after railing against his last contract. But for 1-2 years, I can deal. Maybe.

 

A rotation of Eovaldi, Sale, Paxton, Pivetta and Whitlock has some potential. Although one more starter to push Whitlock back to the pen would be good. Bello, Mata, Crawford, and Winckowski would be needed as depth barring unforeseen good luck with those five. One more arm to be safe.

 

The bullpen then has Houck, Schreiber, Barnes, Brasier, Taylor, and Kelly. Hopefully they get a starter and push Whitlock back. Or trade Duran for a reliever. Or sign a free agent. Or any combination of those moves…

 

The rotation you mentioned may have some potential, but also more than likely an injury waiting to happen.

[notin]

The rotation you mentioned may have some potential, but also more than likely an injury waiting to happen.

 

An injury?? As in, just one injury? You underestimate them.

 

That rotation could easily look like a bunch of extras from an episode of M*A*S*H during dress rehearsal. And do it by mid-May…

[Old Red]

An injury?? As in, just one injury? You underestimate them.

 

That rotation could easily look like a bunch of extras from an episode of M*A*S*H during dress rehearsal. And do it by mid-May…

You are giving Sale to much credit to last until mid-May.

[moonslav59]

I got your point, but why do you think signing Correa for more money would appease the fans over signing Bogey, which was my point? I don’t believe it would.

 

You want us to sign Bogey and Devers, right?

 

What is the most you'd offer for each?

 

If they end up getting more, elsewhere, will you blame Bloom for not signing them?

 

If we could trade Devers for players like Dugo and Wong, would you do it?

[Old Red]

You want us to sign Bogey and Devers, right?

 

What is the most you'd offer for each?

 

If they end up getting more, elsewhere, will you blame Bloom for not signing them?

 

If we could trade Devers for players like Dugo and Wong, would you do it?

All these questions have been answered, and answered more than once.

[moonslav59]

I think Eovaldi is actually a very underrated as a pitcher when he’s healthy. And there is definite irony in me advocating for him after railing against his last contract. But for 1-2 years, I can deal. Maybe.

 

A rotation of Eovaldi, Sale, Paxton, Pivetta and Whitlock has some potential. Although one more starter to push Whitlock back to the pen would be good. Bello, Mata, Crawford, and Winckowski would be needed as depth barring unforeseen good luck with those five. One more arm to be safe.

 

The bullpen then has Houck, Schreiber, Barnes, Brasier, Taylor, and Kelly. Hopefully they get a starter and push Whitlock back. Or trade Duran for a reliever. Or sign a free agent. Or any combination of those moves…

 

The problem is with Nate's health. He's never been a horse.

 

He's getting older. He scares the hell out of me, even at a 1 year QO.

 

[Old Red]

The problem is with Nate's health. He's never been a horse.

 

He's getting older. He scares the hell out of me, even at a 1 year QO.

 

And especially for $19M.

[Hugh2]

The rotation you mentioned may have some potential, but also more than likely an injury waiting to happen.

 

If what you say is true, adding one guy doesn’t fix that, adding two takes up most of your budget and probably destroys your ability resign bogey and Devers MAYBE bogey, unless you’re adding cheaper guys in the mode of hill and Wacha. Those are the types of moves people seem to hate out of Bloom. They want the big splash.

 

BTW, I don’t disagree. I think the rotation is thin and carry’s injury risk.

[Hugh2]

To reiterate my last comment. The Sox will need a combination of smart additions and good luck to fix the rotation

[moonslav59]

And especially for $19M.

 

That's a big chunk of the winter spending budget on someone we need to improve on 2022 while in his post-prime years.

 

I really like Nate, and will be eternally grateful for what he did in 2018, but sometimes, it's just time to cut ties.

[notin]

The problem is with Nate's health. He's never been a horse.

 

He's getting older. He scares the hell out of me, even at a 1 year QO.

 

 

 

Eovaldi is the only worthwhile pitcher the Sox have a shot at signing for one year. And all those other pitchers seeking multi year deals aren’t exactly bastions off durability either…

[moonslav59]

Eovaldi is the only worthwhile pitcher the Sox have a shot at signing for one year. And all those other pitchers seeking multi year deals aren’t exactly bastions off durability either…

 

You know I'm looking at trading for one.

 

We don't have to just settle on the best one we can get for the money on a 1 year deal.

[Hugh2]

Eovaldi is the only worthwhile pitcher the Sox have a shot at signing for one year. And all those other pitchers seeking multi year deals aren’t exactly bastions off durability either…

 

And might I add, who is? The top pitcher on the market comes with his own ambulance and he’s going to get 40 million per year. By comparison Nate is archetype of good health, on this years market. He’s still only 32, which isn’t terribly young but for someone who has shown he can recover well from injury and otherwise been relatively consistent I think it makes him overall a good decision to QO

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The problem is with Nate's health. He's never been a horse.

 

He's getting older. He scares the hell out of me, even at a 1 year QO.

 

 

You should be scared -- as most of us are... but not because of Nate. The last place Red Sox starting rotation is a sham in shambles.

 

Eovaldi may not ever be healthy through an entire season again, but right now he is a better bet to pitch and pitch well for 2023 than two young guys who just had surgery and two old guys who are always hurt. He's also younger than deGrom, Bassitt, Kershaw and Verlander.

 

This morning I read reports that Boston is looking to add another starter, but only "a #2 or #3" guy. Why are the Sox unwilling to pay for a #1 like Rodon? We know it's not because they can't afford it.

 

Is it because there are just too many other holes to fill on the roster? Can a staff of #3 starters lift you to third place? If you're a cellar-dweller vowing to be way better, isn't third place way better?

[notin]

And might I add, who is? The top pitcher on the market comes with his own ambulance and he’s going to get 40 million per year. By comparison Nate is archetype of good health, on this years market. He’s still only 32, which isn’t terribly young but for someone who has shown he can recover well from injury and otherwise been relatively consistent I think it makes him overall a good decision to QO

 

I liked the QO. Eovaldi lead the AL in fWAR as recently as 2021.

 

If he accepts, I’m fine with it. If he rejects, issues start. I could see a 2 year contract. 3 years? I’m getting hesitant. 4 years could be a bad idea…

Edited November 14, 2022 by notin

[Old Red]

I liked the QO. Eovaldi lead the AL in fWAR as recently as 2021.

 

If he accepts, I’m fine with it. If he rejects, issues start. I could see a 2 year contract. 3 years? I’m getting hesitant. 4 years Shaun would be a bad idea…

What’s leading the league in anything in 2021 got to do with now. Was he as good last year when he wasn’t hurt, and now he two years older than 2021.

[Bellhorn04]

I hope Eovaldi takes the QO. Risky as heck but so are most pricey pitchers.