The 2023 Red Sox Budget

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Who says the Sox are unwilling to pay FAIR market share?

 

Just because a player demands an exorbitant amount of money does NOT mean that’s a fair market price.

 

Why is is fair for the Sox to give more money to Devers than the younger, better Austin Riley got here?

 

But agents will insist that Anthony Rendon is a fair third baseman.

[notin]

A trade would presumably yield a better return than a comp pick, but it would also signal to Red Sox Nation that the team was giving up on resigning hometown hero Raffy Devers.

 

If they keep him for one more year and let him walk, at least they could pretend they were trying to sign him up until the bitter end.

 

Which scenario looks better to the public: pushing him out the door a year early, or him walking through it on his own?

 

 

The “PR” scenario really doesn’t generate the positive PR you think it does. When the Sox let Clemens walk away and continue to rack up Cy Young awards, was anyone thinking “at least the Sox tried”? Heck DD tried to extend Mookie and very likely went as high as he was allowed, but people STILL think the Sox should have made another useless offer for show…

[notin]

But agents will insist that Anthony Rendon is a fair third baseman.

 

Ok.

 

But Devers isn’t asking for 7 years $245 million. Not even close to it…

[Bellhorn04]

The “PR” scenario really doesn’t generate the positive PR you think it does. When the Sox let Clemens walk away and continue to rack up Cy Young awards, was anyone thinking “at least the Sox tried”? Heck DD tried to extend Mookie and very likely went as high as he was allowed, but people STILL think the Sox should have made another useless offer for show…

 

To be fair, what some people think is that the Sox should have had a more serious negotiation with Mookie, and they may be right.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

To be fair, what some people think is that the Sox should have had a more serious negotiation with Mookie, and they may be right.

 

Mookie is one of those people. In an interview I heard him say he just wanted what was fair.

[notin]

To be fair, what some people think is that the Sox should have had a more serious negotiation with Mookie, and they may be right.

 

Maybe.

 

From what I gathered at the time, Mookie was dessert on racing free agency. That it took 5 months, a cancelled spring training, and roughly 50-60 cancelled games before Mookie FINALLY actually signed an extension does not deter me from this line of thinking…

[notin]

Mookie is one of those people. In an interview I heard him say he just wanted what was fair.

 

He asked for $400million.

 

He was offered a $30mill AAV from Boston just like he has today…

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe.

 

From what I gathered at the time, Mookie was dessert on racing free agency.

 

So you were doing some really good 'shrooms at the time.

 

But seriously, even the idea was Mookie was intent on free agency is pure speculation. He did say he gave serious consideration to an earlier extension offer from the Sox.

[moonslav59]

That sure doesn't sound like Devers Forevers!

 

I'd still pull the trigger on Devers- just as I would have for Betts, but I am fully aware of the consequences.

 

(I doubt it would take $360M/12 to get Devers, though.)

[moonslav59]

Who says the Sox are unwilling to pay FAIR market share?

 

Just because a player demands an exorbitant amount of money does NOT mean that’s a fair market price.

 

Why is is fair for the Sox to give more money to Devers than the younger, better Austin Riley got here?

 

"Fair market value," to some posters, seems to be whatever the craziest GM ends up paying.

 

If Seager was our player, should we have matched the Rangers' offer, just to meet market value on our star?

 

Should we have paid market value to keep Pedro, Ellsbury and other former Sox stars?

[moonslav59]

A trade would presumably yield a better return than a comp pick, but it would also signal to Red Sox Nation that the team was giving up on resigning hometown hero Raffy Devers.

 

If they keep him for one more year and let him walk, at least they could pretend they were trying to sign him up until the bitter end.

 

Which scenario looks better to the public: pushing him out the door a year early, or him walking through it on his own?

 

Why is looking better to the public your top criteria?

 

I want what is best for the team, and if we know Devers will walk, I'd prefer we trade him rather than get one more year out of him and watch him walk for a comp pick that is not what it used to be.

 

Both options suck, and maybe even extending him will suck, too, in the long run.

 

If we had a farm like the Astros, maybe we'd be able to stomach losing top stars like their fans do.

[Old Red]

Why is looking better to the public your top criteria?

 

I want what is best for the team, and if we know Devers will walk, I'd prefer we trade him rather than get one more year out of him and watch him walk for a comp pick that is not what it used to be.

 

Both options suck, and maybe even extending him will suck, too, in the long run.

 

If we had a farm like the Astros, maybe we'd be able to stomach losing top stars like their fans do.

 

Looking better to the public may be what JH is thinking. Attendance was lower this past year than any other year since JH took over, and losing Bogey, and Raffy I believe would make it go down even more. Paying customers should, and do have more pull than you think, or want them to have.

[notin]

So you were doing some really good 'shrooms at the time.

 

But seriously, even the idea was Mookie was intent on free agency is pure speculation. He did say he gave serious consideration to an earlier extension offer from the Sox.

 

My auto correct does talk the occasional hallucinogen…

[notin]

Looking better to the public may be what JH is thinking. Attendance was lower this past year than any other year since JH took over, and losing Bogey, and Raffy I believe would make it go down even more. Paying customers should, and do have more pull than you think, or want them to have.

 

Paying customers should have zero pull on actual moves, but you do have to put a product on the field that is worth what they are paying for…

[Old Red]

Paying customers should have zero pull on actual moves, but you do have to put a product on the field that is worth what they are paying for…

 

I agree with the product on the field part, but remember JH has BIG rabbit ears, and he hears all the feed back.

[notin]

Looking better to the public may be what JH is thinking. Attendance was lower this past year than any other year since JH took over, and losing Bogey, and Raffy I believe would make it go down even more. Paying customers should, and do have more pull than you think, or want them to have.

 

2021 was worse for attendance and by a lot. Baseball Almanac has 2022 attendance up nearly 50% over 2021.

 

But this drop happened to nearly every team in MLB, who all had a horrible 2021 and saw significant bounce back in 2022. This is most likely just post-COVID recovery for the sport. And is actually very likely NOT reflective of the product each organization put on the field. (With many ticket sales occurring in the pre-season and 2021 Sox having a deep postseason run, the timing simply didn’t allow for them to.)

 

So Henry won’t but using this drop to justify anything. Because he shouldn’t. It doesn’t mean what you keep saying it means…

Edited November 12, 2022 by notin

[notin]

I agree with the product on the field part, but remember JH has BIG rabbit ears, and he hears all the feed back.

 

Henry doesn’t care about our complaints. He didn’t make billions by listing too impatient people complain…

[Bellhorn04]

2021 was worse for attendance and by a lot. Baseball Almanac has 2022 attendance up nearly 50% over 2021.

 

But this drop happened to nearly every team in MLB, who all had a horrible 2021 and saw significant bounce back in 2022. This is most likely just post-COVID recovery for the sport. And is actually very likely NOT reflective of the product each organization put on the field. (With many ticket sales occurring in the pre-season and 2021 Sox having a deep postseason run, the timing simply didn’t allow for them to.)

 

So Henry won’t but using this drop to justify anything. Because he shouldn’t. It doesn’t mean what you keep saying it means…

 

2021 attendance was shrunk by COVID measures. The attendance for the Sox 2021 home opener shows as 4,452.

[moonslav59]

Looking better to the public may be what JH is thinking. Attendance was lower this past year than any other year since JH took over, and losing Bogey, and Raffy I believe would make it go down even more. Paying customers should, and do have more pull than you think, or want them to have.

 

My question was what posters here thought was worst.

 

I think the restless Sox fans would not be happy with trading Devers or letting him walk, and since the trading one comes first, I guess the here and now only fans dislike that one the most.

 

To each his own.

 

I'd prefer to keep Devers, even on an overpay. My second choice would be to trade him for something better than a comp pick.

[Bellhorn04]

Henry doesn’t care about our complaints. He didn’t make billions by listing too impatient people complain…

 

True, but you also don't make billions by totally ignoring your customers.

 

There's a "happy medium" somewhere between...

[moonslav59]

Henry doesn’t care about our complaints. He didn’t make billions by listing too impatient people complain…

 

He does have to keep the masses happy, to some extent, of he loses a boatload of money. Maybe more money than it would take to sign Devers.

[Bellhorn04]

My question was what posters here thought was worst.

 

I think the restless Sox fans would not be happy with trading Devers or letting him walk, and since the trading one comes first, I guess the here and now only fans dislike that one the most.

 

To each his own.

 

I'd prefer to keep Devers, even on an overpay. My second choice would be to trade him for something better than a comp pick.

 

Choosing the difference between trading him for something or keeping him one more year is like a choice between...well, any two really s***ty things you can think of.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Why is looking better to the public your top criteria?

 

I want what is best for the team, and if we know Devers will walk, I'd prefer we trade him rather than get one more year out of him and watch him walk for a comp pick that is not what it used to be.

 

Both options suck, and maybe even extending him will suck, too, in the long run.

 

If we had a farm like the Astros, maybe we'd be able to stomach losing top stars like their fans do.

 

It's not my criteria at all -- I'm just trying to think of the masses and how the front office always does its best to deflect from admitting the truth.

 

I want what's best for the team, too... but I'm positive trading another homegrown star and getting another average MLB outfielder, an infielder who can't hit minor league pitching, and a back-up catcher in return will not cut it this winter.

 

Here's an idea: since any team interested in Devers will want him longterm and proceed with such intention, then the Sox demand should be for much more than "one year."

[Old Red]

Henry doesn’t care about our complaints. He didn’t make billions by listing too impatient people complain…

 

I think you are wrong on this, and I think the signing of Story was the result of Henry hearing all the unrest of the fans of only doing for the most part bargain basement shopping.

[Old Red]

Choosing the difference between trading him for something or keeping him one more year is like a choice between...well, any two really s***ty things you can think of.

 

To me the only reason you would keep him for that extra year would be the hope of the team being good in 2023. Outside of that he should have been traded last year when you could have gotten more for a 2/year rental instead of 1.

[Old Red]

2021 was worse for attendance and by a lot. Baseball Almanac has 2022 attendance up nearly 50% over 2021.

 

But this drop happened to nearly every team in MLB, who all had a horrible 2021 and saw significant bounce back in 2022. This is most likely just post-COVID recovery for the sport. And is actually very likely NOT reflective of the product each organization put on the field. (With many ticket sales occurring in the pre-season and 2021 Sox having a deep postseason run, the timing simply didn’t allow for them to.)

 

So Henry won’t but using this drop to justify anything. Because he shouldn’t. It doesn’t mean what you keep saying it means…

 

I wasn’t counting the Covid years, but yes I should have specified, but I think everyone knew about the Covid years. I’m glad you think you know what Henry is thinking.

[Old Red]

Choosing the difference between trading him for something or keeping him one more year is like a choice between...well, any two really s***ty things you can think of.

 

This sort of things have, and probably will happen more frequently. Times have changed big time.

[Bellhorn04]

This sort of things have, and probably will happen more frequently. Times have changed big time.

 

It's hard to succeed no matter what you do. The Dodgers have been spending big and kicking ass in the regular season, but only have one ring to show for it, in a COVID-shortened season.

 

The Mets broke the bank this year and won one playoff game.

 

The Astros look like the best run team right now. But they went and ditched their HOBO for some reason.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's hard to succeed no matter what you do. The Dodgers have been spending big and kicking ass in the regular season, but only have one ring to show for it, in a COVID-shortened season.

 

The Mets broke the bank this year and won one playoff game.

 

The Astros look like the best run team right now. But they went and ditched their HOBO for some reason.

 

I heard he had a trade lined up with Boston where Houston would acquire Schreiber for Altuve, Bregman, top catching prospect Yainer Diaz, and a minor league lefty pitcher named Dombrowski.

 

BTV approved this deal, so I don't what Crane's problem was...

[notin]

I wasn’t counting the Covid years, but yes I should have specified, but I think everyone knew about the Covid years. I’m glad you think you know what Henry is thinking.

 

Isn’t that exactly what you keep doing?