2023 Free Agents

[Tedballgame]

Red Sox sign Adam Duvall. One year, 7 million.

[notin]

Harrison is a UTIL guy to mix and match with Arroyo. Andrus is a SS only guy. Seems Bloom already found his SS and is valuing versatility?

 

Maybe.

 

As of today, Kike is probably the SS. But then who is 2b? Utility players?

[Tedballgame]

Maybe.

 

As of today, Kike is probably the SS. But then who is 2b? Utility players?

 

Sox will sign Iggy to play SS. Kiki will play second. Duvall will play CF or RF. Verdugo will play LF.

[moonslav59]

Josh Harrison is being mentioned as a possible Sox addition. He's had some mixed defensive metrics over the last 2 years at 2B, but over his career is at +26 DRS in almost 5000 innings at 2B. He has a -0.7 UZR/150 (-4.4 from 20-21-2022).

 

Gotta like the .343 OBP over his last 650 PAs (2021-2022.)

[Old Red]

Sox will sign Iggy to play SS. Kiki will play second. Duvall will play CF or RF. Verdugo will play LF.

 

Where is Yoshida playing?

[moonslav59]

Where is Yoshida playing?

 

DH and Turner will be on the bench... LOL! (Don't tell notin, this!)

 

Seriously, though, haven't you heard, Dugo will be traded. Book it.

[mvp 78]

Sox will sign Iggy to play SS. Kiki will play second. Duvall will play CF or RF. Verdugo will play LF.

 

Yoshida is LF. Did they sign Turner and Yoshida to platoon DH?

[Tedballgame]

Yoshida is LF. Did they sign Turner and Yoshida to platoon DH?

 

Dugo can play RF.

[Old Red]

Yoshida is LF. Did they sign Turner and Yoshida to platoon DH?

 

No!

[Tedballgame]

Yoshida is LF. Did they sign Turner and Yoshida to platoon DH?

 

Dugo can play RF.

[Tedballgame]

Yoshida in left, Duvall in center and Dugo in right.

[moonslav59]

Dugo can play RF.

 

Can he play it well is another question.

[mvp 78]

Can he play it well is another question.

 

Verdugo was bad there in '22. Overall, he was ok in '20 and '21. Maybe him being more trimmed down will help him field the position better? We'll see. I'll keep my mind open about it, but I'm not optimistic.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Verdugo was bad there in '22. Overall, he was ok in '20 and '21. Maybe him being more trimmed down will help him field the position better? We'll see. I'll keep my mind open about it, but I'm not optimistic.

 

I'm Soxfanistic.

[moonslav59]

Verdugo was bad there in '22. Overall, he was ok in '20 and '21. Maybe him being more trimmed down will help him field the position better? We'll see. I'll keep my mind open about it, but I'm not optimistic.

 

He could very easily be better than Renfroe in RF (on D.)

 

Of course, he won't have Renroe's arm, but yes, he supposedly has trimmed down, this off season, so maybe that will help. I know I ranted a lot about the team having 8 left fielders and Kike, last year, but most of my issues about Dugo in RF were about the team being so reluctant about playing him in RF as JBJ was struggling mightily for months and months. I figured, how bad must Sox management feel about Dugo's D in RF to try Arroyo out there and not in LF?

 

How bad must Sox management feel about Dugo's D in RF to try Cordero out there and not in LF?

 

How bad must Sox management feel about Dugo's D in RF to try Duran out there and not in LF?

 

Even Almonte played a game in RF over Dugo.

 

It was only when we traded for Pham that We moved Dugo to RF.

 

GS & Innings in RF

11- 124 Cordero

16- 108 Arroyo

5- 46 Duran

3-24 Ja Davis

1- 8 Almonte

 

36 starts by these chums!

 

None would be better in LF with Dugo in RF?

[mvp 78]

He could very easily be better than Renfroe in RF (on D.)

 

Of course, he won't have Renroe's arm, but yes, he supposedly has trimmed down, this off season, so maybe that will help. I know I ranted a lot about the team having 8 left fielders and Kike, last year, but most of my issues about Dugo in RF were about the team being so reluctant about playing him in RF as JBJ was struggling mightily for months and months. I figured, how bad must Sox management feel about Dugo's D in RF to try Arroyo out there and not in LF?

 

How bad must Sox management feel about Dugo's D in RF to try Cordero out there and not in LF?

 

How bad must Sox management feel about Dugo's D in RF to try Duran out there and not in LF?

 

Even Almonte played a game in RF over Dugo.

 

It was only when we traded for Pham that We moved Dugo to RF.

 

GS & Innings in RF

11- 124 Cordero

16- 108 Arroyo

5- 46 Duran

3-24 Ja Davis

1- 8 Almonte

 

36 starts by these chums!

 

None would be better in LF with Dugo in RF?

 

Refsnyder in RF: 163 INN, -4 DRS, -2 OAA, -13.3 UZR/150

[moonslav59]

Refsnyder in RF: 163 INN, -4 DRS, -2 OAA, -13.3 UZR/150

 

Yes, I neglected to mention him- another OF'er we have best suited for LF and maybe ONLY LF.

 

Ref started 16 games in RF. That makes 52 starts by back-ups, worse defenders and someone not named Dugo.

[moonslav59]

Here is the list of OF'ers by innings played since 2020 (25+ innings):

 

Red= Good enough to play CF or RF on D

 

2916 Verdugo

1385 Kike

1213 Renfroe

1167 JBJ

686 Duran

463 Cordero

419 Pham

351 JD

302 Refsnyder

228 Pillar

147 Santana

124 Schwarber

108 Arroyo

100 Beni

96 Chavis

90 Munoz

65 Almonte

58 Lin

51 Davis

39 Peraza

25 Puello

[mvp 78]

Available FA's that could backup at CF/RF:

Pillar

Herrera

Jankowski (MiLB deal)

JBJ

Davis (MiLB)

[notin]

Available FA's that could backup at CF/RF:

Pillar

Herrera

Jankowski (MiLB deal)

JBJ

Davis (MiLB)

 

Also, Alberto Almora…

[moonslav59]

I hope they don't think a Duvall/Duran Platoon in CF is okay.

 

At this time, I'm still hoping against hope we add a SS (Andrus, Iggy or by trade) AND a 2Bman (Harrison or by trade) and keep Kike in CF. A Duvall/Dugo platoon in RF would make more sense.

 

I know, I know- NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

[mvp 78]

Also, Alberto Almora…

 

Missed him as he's not listed on the FanGraphs Free Agent Tracker for some reason.

[Old Red]

Wow! Dugo is not going to be platooned, and Duran for the thousandth time is not going to be in any kind of platoon either. I don’t believe Duvall would have been signed if Story was healthy, and is not going to be in any kind of a platoon. Duran was not in any plans last year, and only played when the Red Sox were desperate, and SUCKED doing it, so why do you think he’s in any plans plato, or not.

[moonslav59]

Wow! Dugo is not going to be platooned, and Duran for the thousandth time is not going to be in any kind of platoon either. I don’t believe Duvall would have been signed if Story was healthy, and is not going to be in any kind of a platoon.

 

Well, Duvall sucks vs RHPs and Duran's only decent area is hitting vs righties, so I'd avoid saying "never" when talking about Duran.

 

As for the platoon idea in RF, saying a RF platoon makes more sense than a CF one is just an opinion. It doesn't have to mean it has even a 0.0001% chance of happening. (I know Cora will not platoon Dugo. He never does it, despite the obvious need to do so.)

 

Say it 10,000 times, if it make you feel better.

[Old Red]

Well, Duvall sucks vs RHPs and Duran's only decent area is hitting vs righties, so I'd avoid saying "never" when talking about Duran.

 

As for the platoon idea in RF, saying a RF platoon makes more sense than a CF one is just an opinion. It doesn't have to mean it has even a 0.0001% chance of happening. (I know Cora will not platoon Dugo. He never does it, despite the obvious need to do so.)

 

Say it 10,000 times, if it make you feel better.

That’s what you keep doing. Duran, Duran, Duran. Platoon platoon, platoon. Too much worries about minute stuff. Duran isn’t decent at anything, but running fast. From prospect to suspect.

[moonslav59]

That’s what you keep doing. Duran, Duran, Duran. Platoon platoon, platoon. Too much worries about minute stuff. Duran isn’t decent at anything, but running fast. From prospect to suspect.

 

I don't ever want to see Duran play another inning for the Sox. In no way am I advocating it happen.

 

You may hear things on talk radio, and I read things on MLBTR like...

 

Whether Duvall will play center on an everyday basis or be in more of a timeshare depends on the development of young Jarren Duran, whose meager .221/.283/.363 (78 wRC+) slash line in 2022 was held down by a massive platoon split; Duran slashed just .184/.238/.211 against lefties for Boston, translating to a virtually unplayable 22 wRC+. Against righties, however, he batted a more palatable .229/.293/.398 (91 wRC+). Duvall and Duran manning center would allow Enrique Hernandez to play the infield, helping to cover for the loss of Xander Bogaerts in free agency and Trevor Story to injury.

 

I'm not pulling crap out of my ass.

 

There is a difference between what I want to happen and what may or may not happen. You never seem to get the distinction. I'll spell it out for you.

 

There is close to a zero percent chance Dugo is platooned, but I think it makes sense, in some cases, especially if we end up with Kike back in CF, which looks highly unlikely.

 

There is way more than a zero percent chance Duran gets another chance to prove himself, whether you or me want it to happen or not. Teams don't give up on prospects so easily, at times. I'm not going to project how they feel about Duran, at this point, but as of now, with Kike looking like a sure bet to play SS or 2B, even the Duvall addition leave our OF depth looking very thin, and two of our starters having really bad L-R splits. It's not absurd to think Duran may, at some point, get a chance to play or at least earn a platoon role. It's not like Duvall is a proven FT'er, at this point in his career.

 

We happen to agree on Duran, but somehow you still make it sound like I like the guy.

[notin]

Missed him as he's not listed on the FanGraphs Free Agent Tracker for some reason.

 

Most of them are pretty fungible….

[Old Red]

I don't ever want to see Duran play another inning for the Sox. In no way am I advocating it happen.

 

You may hear things on talk radio, and I read things on MLBTR like...

 

Whether Duvall will play center on an everyday basis or be in more of a timeshare depends on the development of young Jarren Duran, whose meager .221/.283/.363 (78 wRC+) slash line in 2022 was held down by a massive platoon split; Duran slashed just .184/.238/.211 against lefties for Boston, translating to a virtually unplayable 22 wRC+. Against righties, however, he batted a more palatable .229/.293/.398 (91 wRC+). Duvall and Duran manning center would allow Enrique Hernandez to play the infield, helping to cover for the loss of Xander Bogaerts in free agency and Trevor Story to injury.

 

I'm not pulling crap out of my ass.

 

There is a difference between what I want to happen and what may or may not happen. You never seem to get the distinction. I'll spell it out for you.

 

There is close to a zero percent chance Dugo is platooned, but I think it makes sense, in some cases, especially if we end up with Kike back in CF, which looks highly unlikely.

 

There is way more than a zero percent chance Duran gets another chance to prove himself, whether you or me want it to happen or not. Teams don't give up on prospects so easily, at times. I'm not going to project how they feel about Duran, at this point, but as of now, with Kike looking like a sure bet to play SS or 2B, even the Duvall addition leave our OF depth looking very thin, and two of our starters having really bad L-R splits. It's not absurd to think Duran may, at some point, get a chance to play or at least earn a platoon role. It's not like Duvall is a proven FT'er, at this point in his career.

 

We happen to agree on Duran, but somehow you still make it sound like I like the guy.

 

I just don’t get all the Duran talk at all. I said last offseason that Duran wasn’t in their plans, and he wasn’t, and only got a chance to play, because they were desperate, and when he did he sucked worse off than he did the year before, so I just don’t get after he did suck last year that he would be in any kind of plans this year outside of being a last resort, and desperate again. One on here even said the new rules would help him. He SUCKS!

[moonslav59]

I just don’t get all the Duran talk at all. I said last offseason that Duran wasn’t in their plans, and he wasn’t, and only got a chance to play, because they were desperate, and when he did he sucked worse off than he did the year before, so I just don’t get after he did suck last year that he would be in any kind of plans this year outside of being a last resort, and desperate again. One on here even said the new rules would help him. He SUCKS!

 

He played because he hit pretty well in AAA, and we had no other options.

 

The options are thin, this year, too.

 

Yes, he sucked in 2021 and 2022. He actually hit better in '22 but was asked to play more often, so it only looked like he sucked more. The one area he seems to have some hope in, beyond his speed, is hitting vs RHPs. He has a career 114 OPS+ v R. It's 45 v L. In no way am I trying to argue this is enough for him to get a chance, again, but until we add someone else to the mix, he's on the short depth chart- like it or not.

 

Duvall is not a FT'er. He started 80 games, last year and had a 76 OPS+ v R, last season. Refsnyder bats righty, so hopefully he is the choice every time before Duran, but never say never.

 

BTW, players often suck in their first 300 PAs in MLB. Many never get better or get another chance. A few turn it around. I'm not predicting a turn-around, here, but I'm not si sure the Sox feel he never deserves another look-see.

 

 

 

[Tedballgame]

Also, Alberto Almora…

 

JBJ: No, no, no, no. Didn't the Sox waste enough money on him last year. The guy can't hit his way out of a wet paper bag. I don't care about his defense. He is an automatic out.