2023 Free Agents

[moonslav59]

Correa is definitely getting 300 Mil this year. He's a year younger than Turner and better statistically

 

Agred.

 

Turner may be a bit more durable. He has about 650 more innings at SS than Correa since 2018.

 

[mvp 78]

Correa is definitely getting 300 Mil this year. He's a year younger than Turner and better statistically

 

Statistically they are very close. Correa has the edge in one number that really matters: age.

[redsoxrules]

Statistically they are very close. Correa has the edge in one number that really matters: age.

 

Correa has 888 career games VS Turner's 849.

So practically even.

Correa career WAR is 39 and Turner is 29. That's not very close

[notin]

If the Giant steal away Judge from the Yanks, they will go after Correa or Xander 100 percent

 

That certainly makes their team interesting.

 

Their two best prospects are shortstops and their current OF is Harrison Bader, Aaron Hicks, and Anybody’s Guess…

[mvp 78]

Correa has 888 career games VS Turner's 849.

So practically even.

Correa career WAR is 39 and Turner is 29. That's not very close

 

Correa 31.3 fWAR

Turner 31.6 fWAR

[redsoxrules]

Correa 31.3 fWAR

Turner 31.6 fWAR

 

See what I meant by the other day when I said that depending on the site you use you will get different stats. I got my numbers on baseball reference. Based on that site Correa is better and it's not even close.

[mvp 78]

@jonmorosi

The #Angels, #RedSox and #BlueJays are among the teams with interest in Kodai Senga, who is among the top available free-agent starters.

[Bellhorn04]

@jonmorosi

The #Angels, #RedSox and #BlueJays are among the teams with interest in Kodai Senga, who is among the top available free-agent starters.

 

More interest. Sweet!

[mvp 78]

See what I meant by the other day when I said that depending on the site you use you will get different stats. I got my numbers on baseball reference. Based on that site Correa is better and it's not even close.

 

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think FanGraphs gives much more weight to defensive metrics.

 

bWAR is just weird to me though.

Correa oWAR 5.2 dWAR 1.1 bWAR 5.4

Turner oWAR 5.0 dWAR 1.0 bWAR 4.9 (Why would it be below 5?)

 

2022:

Correa 5.4 bwar 140 OPS+, 4.4 fWAR 140 wRC+

Turner 4.9 bwar 121 OPS+, 6.3 fWAR 128 wRC+

[mvp 78]

More interest. Sweet!

 

Like my MIL's credit cards.

[Hugh2]

Turner was projected to make $268 over 8 years. He effectively took 18% less in AAV to get 11 years.

 

If we could assume Bogey would take even just 16% less to get two more years that brings his projected contract to 200/9 220/10 range.

 

If the bidding gets up around $250 that’s just ridiculous, but the Sox should be able to match 200/9 and if they don’t we should break out the pitch forks.

[moonslav59]

Turner was projected to make $268 over 8 years. He effectively took 18% less in AAV to get 11 years.

 

If we could assume Bogey would take even just 16% less to get two more years that brings his projected contract to 200/9 220/10 range.

 

If the bidding gets up around $250 that’s just ridiculous, but the Sox should be able to match 200/9 and if they don’t we should break out the pitch forks.

 

200/9 is less of an AAV than our offer of $90M/4, but I'm not sure I'd go 9 years, when I think he'll be off SS in 2-3 years or whenever Mayer is ready.

[Hugh2]

200/9 is less of an AAV than our offer of $90M/4, but I'm not sure I'd go 9 years, when I think he'll be off SS in 2-3 years or whenever Mayer is ready.

 

If Degrom can get 5 years and Turner 11, someone is going to give Bogaerts 8-9.

 

 

The problem is, you’re bidding against every other team in baseball. Someone is always going to act irrationally and give the extra year. There’s value in a assigning value and holding your line, but if you try to act too rationally 100% of the time you’ll be left out in the cold with scraps.

 

Maybe Bogey is that guy, but they had 4 premier short stops in this years market. The Sox have very little excuse to not sign one.

 

At a certain point, we have to be ok with going the extra year with someone or else we truly will be Tampa North.

[notin]

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I think FanGraphs gives much more weight to defensive metrics.

 

bWAR is just weird to me though.

Correa oWAR 5.2 dWAR 1.1 bWAR 5.4

Turner oWAR 5.0 dWAR 1.0 bWAR 4.9 (Why would it be below 5?)

 

2022:

Correa 5.4 bwar 140 OPS+, 4.4 fWAR 140 wRC+

Turner 4.9 bwar 121 OPS+, 6.3 fWAR 128 wRC+

 

But Turner gets 5 extra points for Sliding Smoothness. I might need ore “o”’s in that word. And Correa loses 5 for thumping. First on his chest, and then on trash cans…

[Bobe2]

Red Sox sign pitcher Chris Martin

[moonslav59]

If Degrom can get 5 years and Turner 11, someone is going to give Bogaerts 8-9.

 

 

The problem is, you’re bidding against every other team in baseball. Someone is always going to act irrationally and give the extra year. There’s value in a assigning value and holding your line, but if you try to act too rationally 100% of the time you’ll be left out in the cold with scraps.

 

Maybe Bogey is that guy, but they had 4 premier short stops in this years market. The Sox have very little excuse to not sign one.

 

At a certain point, we have to be ok with going the extra year with someone or else we truly will be Tampa North.

 

I'm all for overpaying someone. I just think Bogey's overpay will be too much, and He should not be a SS for too much longer.

 

Sign 2-3 from Senga, Swanson, Nimmo, Contreras or Nate (Jansen, Bassitt, Taillon?) Not that we can't afford Bogey and 1-2 of these guys, as well.

[moonslav59]

Red Sox sign pitcher Chris Martin

 

Newsflash!

[moonslav59]

Jays have made an offer to Heaney. I wonder, if he'll take it to BOS for a match.

 

(LOL)

[Bellhorn04]

If Degrom can get 5 years and Turner 11, someone is going to give Bogaerts 8-9.

 

The problem is, you’re bidding against every other team in baseball. Someone is always going to act irrationally and give the extra year.

 

And there are teams with surprising wads of money out there. The Rangers followed up their $500 million spree last year with signing deGrom this year.

 

The Phillies have also shelled out hefty sums two years in a row.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

And there are teams with surprising wads of money out there. The Rangers followed up their $500 million spree last year with signing deGrom this year.

 

The Phillies have also shelled out hefty sums two years in a row.

 

I sure hope the Rangers and Phils can reset by next year so they can celebrate it on social media with their fans, who I'm sure will be ecstatic.

[moonslav59]

And there are teams with surprising wads of money out there. The Rangers followed up their $500 million spree last year with signing deGrom this year.

 

The Phillies have also shelled out hefty sums two years in a row.

 

Oh! The good ole days!

[Bellhorn04]

It's incredible how much money there is in the game now, though. We don't even bat an eyelash when a guy signs a $300 million contract now.

[Hugh2]

I sure hope the Rangers and Phils can reset by next year so they can celebrate it on social media with their fans, who I'm sure will be ecstatic.

 

Phillies don't need to reset until 2024, Rangers aren't over, and Verlander isn't putting them over.

[Bellhorn04]

Phillies don't need to reset until 2024, Rangers aren't over, and Verlander isn't putting them over.

 

I'm guessing the Phillies don't reset. Their owner seems like a guy who wants to go for broke.

[Hugh2]

I'm guessing the Phillies don't reset. Their owner seems like a guy who wants to go for broke.

 

They will reset eventually, even the Dodgers reset a few years ago, I don't think anyone is ever going to live above that line in perpetuity.

[Bellhorn04]

They will reset eventually, even the Dodgers reset a few years ago, I don't think anyone is ever going to live above that line in perpetuity.

 

Steve Cohen might.

[Hugh2]

I'm all for overpaying someone. I just think Bogey's overpay will be too much, and He should not be a SS for too much longer.

 

Sign 2-3 from Senga, Swanson, Nimmo, Contreras or Nate (Jansen, Bassitt, Taillon?) Not that we can't afford Bogey and 1-2 of these guys, as well.

 

How much longer can Swanson stay at SS? Not only will he cost a pick but he’s probably going to get a hefty payday as well

[Jasonbay44]

Sounds like Diamondbacks of all teams are now favorites for Xander

[jad]

I sure hope the Rangers and Phils can reset by next year so they can celebrate it on social media with their fans, who I'm sure will be ecstatic.

 

Oh yes! Just like we did! Why who doesn't remember where they were when the Bloom/Henry "RESET!" was posted! I mean you ask why people follow sports? There's your answer! What a great day in sports history.

[moonslav59]

How much longer can Swanson stay at SS? Not only will he cost a pick but he’s probably going to get a hefty payday as well

 

1. Longer than Bogey

2. Less money and years than Bogey.

3. We gain a pick by losing Bogey and lose one for signing Swanson. Not as bad as it looks.