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A Realistic View at 2023: Part I

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Cora just said on NESN last night (taped over the weekend): "Barnes in the 7th, Martin in the 8th, Jensen in the 9th."

 

Players are often DFA'd right before a trade is announced.

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What do the departures of Matt Barnes and Josh Taylor mean for the Red Sox bullpen?

 

Two less choices in the pen, and Brasier and Ort live another day.

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Players are often DFA'd right before a trade is announced.

 

No one is trading for Barnes. The only reason to acquire an $8mill RP with an ERA over 6 is if you’re dumping salary. If you’re dumping salary, the players are already on the 40 man roster…

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Barnes being DFA is kind of shocking.... Wow.

 

Not sure what’s more surprising - Barnes being DFAd or Ort not…

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No one is trading for Barnes. The only reason to acquire an $8mill RP with an ERA over 6 is if you’re dumping salary. If you’re dumping salary, the players are already on the 40 man roster…

 

Exactly. Why can't that be a possibility?

 

Some team might take him in exchange for a $4-5M player, too.

 

Some GM might actually want him at close to face value.

 

I seriously doubt we just eat his contract, unless we just found out something new about his health.

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They must have found a taker

 

Or they figured an $8mill RP was most likely to clear waivers.

 

Of course Barnes can refuse assignment and become a free agent. But that puts him on either a minor league deal or means some other team has to DFA someone to get him on the roster…

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FWIW Baseball Trade Values assign Matt Barnes a negative trade value of $7.8 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/7632/

 

Perhaps the Red Sox can find a trade of bad contracts.

 

That number includes his having a value of $7.7M while being owed $15.5M, making a net of -$7.8M.

 

Why would we pay someone $15.5M, so they get $7.7M value from him, and we keep Ort on the roster?

 

He's going to be traded.

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99.9% Yes!

 

If the Sox found a taker, they’d just trade Barnes and wouldn’t need to DFA him.

 

They might find a taker now that he’s on waivers, but it isn’t likely…

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There was almost no return on that contract extension. Terrible extension and completely pointless to have done it mid season for a guy that had a history of fading in the second half.
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If the Sox found a taker, they’d just trade Barnes and wouldn’t need to DFA him.

 

They might find a taker now that he’s on waivers, but it isn’t likely…

The trick would be to find a player with negative trade value who would not require a slot on the 40-man roster. Does that player exist?

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If the Sox found a taker, they’d just trade Barnes and wouldn’t need to DFA him.

 

They might find a taker now that he’s on waivers, but it isn’t likely…

 

Maybe they just wanted to add Duvall, now and have a detail or two to work out on a deal.

 

I just can't believe they will pay someone else to have Barnes pitch for them and get nothing back, unless they just found out about a health concern or personal issue.

 

Cora just spoke ab out him being the 7th inning guy.

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The trick would be to find a player with negative trade value who would not require a slot on the 40-man roster. Does that player exist?

 

Why?

 

Swap a 40 man for a 40 man, and call it even.

 

Yes, it seems weird they don't just do the trade without waivers, but maybe the Duvall addition to the 40 couldn't wait.

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What's the chance we do something like this...

 

trade Barnes and $5M for a non 40 man prospect.

 

We'd clear some space on the budget, improve the farm and open the roster slot for Duvall.

 

Best part: we get to keep Brasier and Ort!!!!

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Maybe they just wanted to add Duvall, now and have a detail or two to work out on a deal.

 

I just can't believe they will pay someone else to have Barnes pitch for them and get nothing back, unless they just found out about a health concern or personal issue.

 

Cora just spoke ab out him being the 7th inning guy.

 

I think they figure him to be the most likely to clear waivers, due to his salary. Waivers aren’t always about releasing a player…

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I think they figure him to be the most likely to clear waivers, due to his salary. Waivers aren’t always about releasing a player…

 

What does that accomplish? He rejects the minors and we pay him to play elsewhere.

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The only logical thing that makes sense is Barnes is about to be involved in a trade. Keeping Ort and Brasier over him makes no sense.

 

If they had a trade worked out, they wouldn’t need to DFA him.

 

He might get traded now, but usually players that are traded on waivers go to teams who know they can’t make a claim. I don’t think any team that wants Barnes is worried about him getting claimed ahead of their turn.

 

I don’t get keeping Ort over Barnes. Or Brasier. Or Dalbec. Or Hamilton. Or Duran…

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What does that accomplish? He rejects the minors and we pay him to play elsewhere.

 

Maybe they think he will clear waivers (he will) and they can negotiate a minor league deal with him after he refuses assuignment…

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