Time For the Hypo Trade Talks to Begin ?

[Larry Cook]

No the main point being that Mookie doesn’t have as many AB that Dugy does, and even then Mookie bats leadoff, and Dugy 5/6. Mookie has had injuries the last two years though.

 

Mookie is Pedroia 2.0 when it comes to injuries.

[moonslav59]

I don't remember too many people being up in arms about Ellsbury. I think we all knew the injury concerns and it played out that way.

 

Manny forced his way out of town. Sox couldn't prevent that. We were all more mad at Manny than the Sox.

 

I'm not sure either of those statements have changed over time.

 

Some were upset about losing Ellsbury, especially to the Yanks, but they sure went quiet quickly.

 

Agree on Manny.

 

The only reason people got over losing Damon was the fact that we replaced him in kind.

 

We may do okay replacing these 3, too.

Edited July 12, 2022 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

Mookie is Pedroia 2.0 when it comes to injuries.

 

I disagree. I think Mookie will be able to produce for a lengthier period.

[moonslav59]

I disagree. I think Mookie will be able to produce for a lengthier period.

 

I do, too.

 

There is no reason to think injuries will continue.

[mvp 78]

I do, too.

 

There is no reason to think injuries will continue.

 

His "injury plagued" 2021 was a 3.5 fWAR season. Sounds pretty good to me.

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie is plenty good, but injuries do take their toll, and he'll be making 30 million a year for 10 more years after this one.

[mvp 78]

Mookie is plenty good, but injuries do take their toll, and he'll be making 30 million a year for 10 more years after this one.

 

I know. It'd be great to have him in RF for 8 more years and then have him LF/DH or whatever.

[Bellhorn04]

I know. It'd be great to have him in RF for 8 more years and then have him LF/DH or whatever.

 

I'm working on my own version of the serenity prayer thing. "Can't do jacksquat about it etc."

[mvp 78]

I'm working on my own version of the serenity prayer thing. "Can't do jacksquat about it etc."

 

Honestly, when the Sox are on tv, I don't think about Mookie at all.

[Kimmi]

Agreed, any moves made that seem to weaken this year's team, like trading Kike, Hill, Brasier, Sawamura of the like, would be made to make room for an upgrade at a position of high or higher need.

 

We may see a 3-way deal.

 

I am near certain we'll see a 2 or 3 for 1 deal- maybe two deals that will ease this winter's roster crunch while improving the team down the stretch.

 

I'm not sure what we'll see, probably something none of us were expecting. LOL

 

I trust Bloom and I like the way he does business. I'll leave it up to him.

[Kimmi]

The Bogey, JD, Nate window is closing quickly. I can't see Bloom dealing any of them, even if he added something big to offset losing one of them.

 

It will be sad losing them, and getting nothing in return, but it is what it is, and we can use their salaries plus Price's to get some nice replacements. Hell, we may end up keeping one.

 

I'd give QOs to JD and Eovaldi and be happy if they accepted. We'd at least get something back if they decline, but I'm reading that might change depending on what is decided upon with the international draft. Can we give Bogaerts a QO if he opts out?

 

Either way, we now have some flexibility to work on getting nice replacements.

[Kimmi]

Betts' 150 wRC+ would look good in RF this year.

 

It would, for sure.

 

The concern is never about the first few years of a contract though.

[mvp 78]

I'd give QOs to JD and Eovaldi and be happy if they accepted. We'd at least get something back if they decline, but I'm reading that might change depending on what is decided upon with the international draft. Can we give Bogaerts a QO if he opts out?

Either way, we now have some flexibility to work on getting nice replacements.

 

According to Ken Rosenthal, yes.

[mvp 78]

It would, for sure.

 

The concern is never about the first few years of a contract though.

 

The last 3 might look rough. That's fine though. I think the Sox have eaten a lot of money recently and have still been able to be competitive. It would be the you pay to have Raffy/Xander/Mookie together for 2017-2032. It would be a magical 15 years though and one that Sox fans would look back on fondly.

[jacksonianmarch]

As of right now it seems the union is unwilling to agree to an INTL draft, so QO's will still exist. The problem for the large market clubs is that the QO only nets them a 4th rounder.

 

For the sox, I definitely see them offering a QO to Bogey. JD is a tougher case. If he finishes the season strong, it's an easy one. If he ends up with 14 or 15HRs and a BA around .300, I think they pass.

 

Eovaldi will get a QO

 

Kike will not.

 

Wacha would probably get a QO if he can get and stay healthy in the second half.

 

Hill no way.

 

Vaz, no way

 

For the Yanks,

 

Judge is a definite

Rizzo will be a definite

Taillon most likely

Montgomery most likely

Gallo f*** no

Chapman and Green no

[notin]

As of right now it seems the union is unwilling to agree to an INTL draft, so QO's will still exist. The problem for the large market clubs is that the QO only nets them a 4th rounder.

 

For the sox, I definitely see them offering a QO to Bogey. JD is a tougher case. If he finishes the season strong, it's an easy one. If he ends up with 14 or 15HRs and a BA around .300, I think they pass.

 

Eovaldi will get a QO

 

Kike will not.

 

Wacha would probably get a QO if he can get and stay healthy in the second half.

 

Hill no way.

 

Vaz, no way

 

For the Yanks,

 

Judge is a definite

Rizzo will be a definite

Taillon most likely

Montgomery most likely

Gallo f*** no

Chapman and Green no

 

 

I’d think Vaz would be more likely than Wacha. My philosophy (which I assume teams use) is never offer a QO unless you’re prepared for the player to accept. With Vaz, not like the Sox have bountiful options ready to snag the catcher position for one year, and outside of Willson Contreras, free agency offers very little. One more season of Vazquez, even at a QO price, might not be so bad.

 

Wacha feels more replaceable to me.

 

And the Yankees might double burn themselves giving a QO to Taillon while letting Chapman walk…

[moonslav59]

As of right now it seems the union is unwilling to agree to an INTL draft, so QO's will still exist. The problem for the large market clubs is that the QO only nets them a 4th rounder.

 

For the sox, I definitely see them offering a QO to Bogey. JD is a tougher case. If he finishes the season strong, it's an easy one. If he ends up with 14 or 15HRs and a BA around .300, I think they pass.

 

Eovaldi will get a QO

 

Kike will not.

 

Wacha would probably get a QO if he can get and stay healthy in the second half.

 

Hill no way.

 

Vaz, no way

 

For the Yanks,

 

Judge is a definite

Rizzo will be a definite

Taillon most likely

Montgomery most likely

Gallo f*** no

Chapman and Green no

 

The list of Yankee and Sox free agents-to-be is sizable and eye-opening.

 

If many end up back with their current clubs, no biggie, but there is a chance for some serious make-overs.

[moonslav59]

I’d think Vaz would be more likely than Wacha.

 

Neither Vaz or Wacha will get a QO.

 

I don't think it's even close.

[mvp 78]

One more season of Vazquez, even at a QO price, might not be so bad.

 

Um, what?

[moonslav59]

Um, what?

 

Double what!

[Kimmi]

According to Ken Rosenthal, yes.

 

Thanks. Good to know.

 

I'm still hopeful that the Sox will work something out with him.

[moonslav59]

Thanks. Good to know.

 

I'm still hopeful that the Sox will work something out with him.

 

I'm not sure gaining a 4th round pick matters much, but I guess it's better than nothing.

[Kimmi]

The last 3 might look rough. That's fine though. I think the Sox have eaten a lot of money recently and have still been able to be competitive. It would be the you pay to have Raffy/Xander/Mookie together for 2017-2032. It would be a magical 15 years though and one that Sox fans would look back on fondly.

 

That would be a lot of money, trying to keep all 3 of them together for that long.

 

Mookie will likely be worth his contract, on the whole. However, it's not as easy to eat that kind of money for 3 or more years as you think it is. Concessions have to made elsewhere to cover it.

[Kimmi]

I'm not sure gaining a 4th round pick matters much, but I guess it's better than nothing.

 

It won't be as good as what we would get if we traded him, but as you said, it's better than nothing. Every little bit helps.

[moonslav59]

It won't be as good as what we would get if we traded him, but as you said, it's better than nothing. Every little bit helps.

 

Past 4th and key lower past picks:

 

2021

4 Elmer Rodrigues- Cruz

5 Hickey

11 Kavadas

 

2020

4 Wu-Yellan

5 Drohan

 

2019

4 Song

6 Murphy

 

2018

4 Cottam

5 TWard

7 Duran

 

2017

4 Jake Thompson

 

2016

4 Dalbec

 

 

[notin]

Um, what?

 

You heard me…

[harmony]

A negative-value trade proposal that does not involve the Red Sox:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-88834/

 

[notin]

A negative-value trade proposal that does not involve the Red Sox:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trades/trade-88834/

 

 

A trade that makes sense for both teams. Except the Padres…

[harmony]

A trade that makes sense for both teams. Except the Padres…

From a June 28 mailbag with Dennis Lin, the Padre beat reporter for The Athletic:

Mike Clevinger looks like the most likely pitcher to be traded since he is a potential free agent and the Padres probably won’t re-sign, right? — Karyn F.

 

If the Padres trade a starting pitcher, they likely would prefer to move Blake Snell. He’s making $5 million more than Clevinger, and unsurprisingly, the team has been frustrated with the left-hander’s lack of performance. It would be selling low on Snell, but the Padres want to clear payroll for other needs.

https://theathletic.com/3386941/2022/06/28/padres-mailbag-joe-musgrove-esteury-ruiz/?source=emp_shared_article

 

No one suggests the proposed trade involves equal talent on each side. The point is that the Padres reportedly want to clear payroll and that the Mariners are in a position to take on payroll.

[mvp 78]

From a June 28 mailbag with Dennis Lin, the Padre beat reporter for The Athletic:

 

https://theathletic.com/3386941/2022/06/28/padres-mailbag-joe-musgrove-esteury-ruiz/?source=emp_shared_article

 

No one suggests the proposed trade involves equal talent on each side. The point is that the Padres reportedly want to clear payroll and that the Mariners are in a position to take on payroll.

 

Snell's statcast line isn't all that bad. His FIP of 3.56 is solid as well, much better than the 4.66 FIP.

 

His last two starts:

@LAD 5 IP 12 K, 1 ER

SF 6 IP, 11 K, 1 ER

 

I think the Pad's would be dumb to give up on him if they want to stay competitive. They have 6 starters, but Gore has never thrown 100 innings in a season professionally. If they are moving Snell, they better be getting something really good back.