Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

You don't think playing less games vs the AL East is likely a very good thing?

 

Can you elaborate on that?

 

The AL East has 4 teams with 71 or more wins. The AL Central has none, and the Sox are 1-2 wins away from having as many as MN & CLE.

 

The ALW has 2 teams over 58 wins.

 

The NLE has 3 teams over 55 wins.

 

The NLC has 2 over 56.

 

The NLW has 2 teams above 63.

 

The last place Sox would be...

 

-3.5 in the ALC

3rd place in ALW

4th in NLE

3rd in NLC

3rd in NLW

 

and that's before figuring in how many more wins we might have had we not had to play 4 teams with 71+ wins, so many times.

 

Why would playing less games against the AL East be a good thing? Because it’s easier? I like playing the Yankees 19 times along with the rest of the Div, and now Baltimore has improved, so to me makes things more interesting. I’m not looking to make things easier. I don’t care where the Red Sox would be in another div. If you can’t beat the good teams you aren’t a good team yourself like this year.

[harmony]

So you think that translates into something good next year. Take out the bad bad west who might not be as bad next year like Seattle who is a lot better now than when the Sox played them, and that 48-32 doesn’t look so good. The Red Sox should be a vastly different looking team next year, and could be better, which I’m not so sure that Bloom can put Humpty Dumpty back together again, or they could be even worse, so that 48-32 is pretty much irrelevant into what happens next year.

The AL East has dominated the AL West this year but the divisions had been evenly matched over the previous eight seasons.

 

This year may be the outlier.

 

Or not.

[notin]

Why would playing less games against the AL East be a good thing? Because it’s easier? I like playing the Yankees 19 times along with the rest of the Div, and now Baltimore has improved, so to me makes things more interesting. I’m not looking to make things easier. I don’t care where the Red Sox would be in another div. If you can’t beat the good teams you aren’t a good team yourself like this year.

 

 

Nobody asked if you liked it or even if you care. The question was “would it be easier”?

 

One could easily argue the Sox, by virtue of being in last place in the AL East this year, have the most difficult schedule in MLB…

[Old Red]

True, but it has to help us to play less vs the ALE. With 3 WC teams, we may just need to pass 1 ALE team, next year to make the playoffs.

 

Have we sunk to the level that we have to play lesser teams now to compete?

[notin]

Have we sunk to the level that we have to play lesser teams now to compete?

 

How long ago did we sink to the level that people call for the GM to be fired before he finishes three seasons without a World Series ring?

[Old Red]

Nobody asked if you liked it or even if you care. The question was “would it be easier”?

 

One could easily argue the Sox, by virtue of being in last place in the AL East this year, have the most difficult schedule in MLB…

 

I’m just giving my opinion just like everyone else whether I answered it to your satisfaction, or not. I’m not for taking the easy way out like you evidently are.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Yes. The deadline deals made us better in 2022 and beyond... something not to easy to do.

+ McGuire

+ Pham

+ Hosmer

+ multiple prospects, including Valdez, Abreu and Freguson

+ dumping Diekman

? Hosmer (free)

- Vaz

- Groome

 

I also think the net results of all his winter moves does not come to a negative:

 

Negative:

JBJ trade

Diekman signing (turned into a plus by dumping his contract and acquiring McGuire for multiple years)

 

OK:

Hill

 

???

Story

 

Good:

Strahm

 

Great:

Wacha

Schreiber

Refsnyder

 

I would put Pham in between 'Good' and 'Great.'

[Old Red]

How long ago did we sink to the level that people call for the GM to be fired before he finishes three seasons without a World Series ring?

 

Whether you like it, or not lots of RedSox Nation does not like Bloom’s way of doing things, and think he is in way over his head in Boston, so it’s more him, and not the 3 years. We’ve gone over this 10,000 times already.

[notin]

I’m just giving my opinion just like everyone else whether I answered it to your satisfaction, or not. I’m not for taking the easy way out like you evidently are.

 

I’m just asking questions…

[Old Red]

I’m just asking questions…

 

Have you figured out Whitlock’s last two appearances yet that you were wrong about? Just asking questions.

[Bobe2]

Nobody asked if you liked it or even if you care. The question was “would it be easier”?

 

One could easily argue the Sox, by virtue of being in last place in the AL East this year, have the most difficult schedule in MLB…

 

Why would it be easier the other teams in the division would be playing the same weakened schedule, the Sox could have a higher win % but so would the other teams in the division, they would still be in last place unless they actually get better

[Hugh2]

Why would it be easier the other teams in the division would be playing the same weakened schedule, the Sox could have a higher win % but so would the other teams in the division, they would still be in last place unless they actually get better

 

Agreed, Sox would need to make improvements to their pitching staff if they want to move up in the rankings.

 

What free agents would you sign to strengthen Bostons pitching????

[Old Red]

Why would it be easier the other teams in the division would be playing the same weakened schedule, the Sox could have a higher win % but so would the other teams in the division, they would still be in last place unless they actually get better

 

Spot on. If the Sox want things to get easier then just get better, and don’t look for a easier schedule.

[notin]

Whether you like it, or not lots of RedSox Nation does not like Bloom’s way of doing things, and think he is in way over his head in Boston, so it’s more him, and not the 3 years. We’ve gone over this 10,000 times already.

 

 

Yeah those Six fans are funny, to be kind. They are so quick to decry the “nerds” running the team and quickly point out each and every mistake as proof, and then right off the successes as just luck or whatever.

 

The reality before Bloom and many others like him took over, this team went 86 years without a title. And now going three is intolerable. And even you tried to defend it with “well they ran into Bob Gibson and Pesky held the ball” and never realized you were exuding 3 or 4 games in over seven decades worth.

 

The reality of the 2022 team is they had a lot of downward-trending contracts that would have derailed any GM. And in times like that, having the team run by a guy who can identify a talent like Whitlock in the Rule 5 draft and building the back end of a rotation with $12mill plus pawning off a couple scrap heap relievers. And the weird part is - PEOLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THOSE PITCHERS!

 

Maybe the disgruntled Sox fans need to be more realistic…

[Old Red]

Yeah those Six fans are funny, to be kind. They are so quick to decry the “nerds” running the team and quickly point out each and every mistake as proof, and then right off the successes as just luck or whatever.

 

The reality before Bloom and many others like him took over, this team went 86 years without a title. And now going three is intolerable. And even you tried to defend it with “well they ran into Bob Gibson and Pesky held the ball” and never realized you were exuding 3 or 4 games in over seven decades worth.

 

The reality of the 2022 team is they had a lot of downward-trending contracts that would have derailed any GM. And in times like that, having the team run by a guy who can identify a talent like Whitlock in the Rule 5 draft and building the back end of a rotation with $12mill plus pawning off a couple scrap heap relievers. And the weird part is - PEOLE COMPLAIN ABOUT THOSE PITCHERS!

 

Maybe the disgruntled Sox fans need to be more realistic…

 

Maybe the disgruntled fans, which there are millions, and millions like the Rock’s fans are the ones that are realistic. Like I said we’ve gone over this 10,000 times, and I don’t think anyone has changed their mind.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe the disgruntled fans, which there are millions, and millions like the Rock’s fans are the ones that are realistic. Like I said we’ve gone over this 10,000 times, and I don’t think anyone has changed their mind.

 

How do you know there are millions of disgruntled Sox fans, really. Do you think those grumpy guys who call in to the open mouth shows perfectly represent Red Sox Nation?

 

When I watched the Sox 9th inning comeback the other night I was struck by how into it the fans were, in spite of the Sox place in the standings.

[Bobe2]

I would put Pham in between 'Good' and 'Great.'

 

I would too but not for the same reasons as you, the guys got heart, he was knocked out last month in a collision with another player, he was stabbed last winter and he has an eye disease called keratoconus that impairs his vision in many ways. So yes I agree Tommy is great, for overcoming adversity

[Old Red]

How do you know there are millions of disgruntled Sox fans, really. Do you think those grumpy guys who call in to the open mouth shows perfectly represent Red Sox Nation?

 

When I watched the Sox 9th inning comeback the other night I was struck by how into it the fans were, in spite of the Sox place in the standings.

 

If it’s the grumpy guys who call in to open mouth shows, what are the grumpy guys who reside on here? Do you think what is said on here is a good representation of Red Sox Nation?

[notin]

If it’s the grumpy guys who call in to open mouth shows, what are the grumpy guys who reside on here? Do you think what is said on here is a good representation of Red Sox Nation?

 

f*** no.

 

People are on this forum talking baseball in December when normal people are watching the NBA, taking weekend to go skiing, and making Christmas plans…

[Bellhorn04]

If it’s the grumpy guys who call in to open mouth shows, what are the grumpy guys who reside on here? Do you think what is said on here is a good representation of Red Sox Nation?

 

I think this place is an OK representation of views. But we're mostly old guys.

[moonslav59]

I would put Pham in between 'Good' and 'Great.'

 

I forgot to rank him. Yes, "Good"

[moonslav59]

Spot on. If the Sox want things to get easier then just get better, and don’t look for a easier schedule.

 

Not thinking an easier schedule helps makes no sense. Yes, the other 4 ALE teams also get easier schedules, but the rest of the AL gets harder, and the WC slots go to the best 3 records in the AL.

 

OKay, I get teh theory that we still have to pass an ALE team to make it, and they all get easier schedules, too, but I'll take getting easier schedule over 10 other teams vs 4 as a good thing.

[Old Red]

Not thinking an easier schedule helps makes no sense. Yes, the other 4 ALE teams also get easier schedules, but the rest of the AL gets harder, and the WC slots go to the best 3 records in the AL.

 

OKay, I get teh theory that we still have to pass an ALE team to make it, and they all get easier schedules, too, but I'll take getting easier schedule over 10 other teams vs 4 as a good thing.

I just hate to have less games played against the Yankees.

[moonslav59]

Pluses and minuses:

I

 

Negative:

JBJ trade

Diekman signing (turned into a plus by dumping his contract and acquiring McGuire for multiple years)

Vaz (but adding prospects and Mcguire negates the loss)

 

OK:

Hill

 

???

Story

Hosmer (free)

Prospects Added via trades since the end of 2021: EValdez, WAbreu, MFerguson, ABinelas, DHamilton, C Rosier

 

Good:

Strahm

Pham

 

Great:

Wacha

Schreiber

Refsnyder

McGuire (doing better than Vaz, so far)

 

Yet, it's Bloom's fault the team got worse.

 

[moonslav59]

I just hate to have less games played against the Yankees.

 

Me, too, but this is the way of sports, nowadays.

 

The worst part is making the Braves our "natural rivalry." Only the Jay and Phillies seems like such a deep stretch.

Edited September 4, 2022 by moonslav59

[dgalehouse]

Pluses and minuses:

I

 

Negative:

JBJ trade

Diekman signing (turned into a plus by dumping his contract and acquiring McGuire for multiple years)

Vaz (but adding prospects and Mcguire negates the loss)

 

OK:

Hill

 

???

Story

Hosmer (free)

Prospects Added via trades since the end of 2021: EValdez, WAbreu, MFerguson, ABinelas, DHamilton, C Rosier

 

Good:

Strahm

Pham

 

Great:

Wacha

Schreiber

Refsnyder

McGuire (doing better than Vaz, so far)

 

Yet, it's Bloom's fault the team got worse.

 

 

The team got worse. Bloom is the guy in charge. People will draw their own conclusions.

[moonslav59]

The team got worse. Bloom is the guy in charge. People will draw their own conclusions.

 

I get that, and we keep hearing the JBJ trade as a a major reason, when the overall moves he's made were a net plus- BY FAR!

 

Go ahead and blame Bloom for nearly every returning vet's decline from 2021. I guess he should have traded them all, last winter.

 

Now, even Devers has joined the declining OPS group and Houck, who was a bout even from 2021 is out.

 

Only Vaz improved from the vets Bloom inherited. Go ahead and blame him for that.

[dgalehouse]

I get that, and we keep hearing the JBJ trade as a a major reason, when the overall moves he's made were a net plus- BY FAR!

 

Go ahead and blame Bloom for nearly every returning vet's decline from 2021. I guess he should have traded them all, last winter.

 

Now, even Devers has joined the declining OPS group and Houck, who was a bout even from 2021 is out.

 

Only Vaz improved from the vets Bloom inherited. Go ahead and blame him for that.

 

You like Bloom . That's okay. You like some guys and you dislike others. And that effects your judgement. I try to be more objective.

[oldtimer]

Pluses and minuses:

I

 

Negative:

JBJ trade

Diekman signing (turned into a plus by dumping his contract and acquiring McGuire for multiple years)

Vaz (but adding prospects and Mcguire negates the loss)

 

OK:

Hill

 

???

Story

Hosmer (free)

Prospects Added via trades since the end of 2021: EValdez, WAbreu, MFerguson, ABinelas, DHamilton, C Rosier

 

Good:

Strahm

Pham

 

Great:

Wacha

Schreiber

Refsnyder

McGuire (doing better than Vaz, so far)

 

Yet, it's Bloom's fault the team got worse.

 

Add Paxton to that list.

[Bellhorn04]

I get that, and we keep hearing the JBJ trade as a a major reason, when the overall moves he's made were a net plus- BY FAR!

 

Go ahead and blame Bloom for nearly every returning vet's decline from 2021. I guess he should have traded them all, last winter.

 

Now, even Devers has joined the declining OPS group and Houck, who was a bout even from 2021 is out.

 

Only Vaz improved from the vets Bloom inherited. Go ahead and blame him for that.

 

No, Devers has the highest OPS+ of his career. That's what you should be using.