Fire Bloom .

[Dipre]

What would you call it when not one, not two, but 3; teams passed on him.

 

Did they pass on him though? The only reason Mayer got to the Red Sox in the first place was league-wide concern about being able to sign the guy. So the Red Sox used that famous "team-mystique" and "financial muscle" to sign a guy who was far and away the most well-regarded prospect to that class. Kinda tired of the "fell in his lap" fallacy.

[Old Red]

Did they pass on him though? The only reason Mayer got to the Red Sox in the first place was league-wide concern about being able to sign the guy. So the Red Sox used that famous "team-mystique" and "financial muscle" to sign a guy who was far and away the most well-regarded prospect to that class. Kinda tired of the "fell in his lap" fallacy.

Leiter was the guy the Red Sox really wanted, and shifted to Mayer after Leiter was taken.

[dannycater]

Bloom's grade for 2023 is still incomplete. Maybe this team can get on another good roll.

 

3 consecutive good starts by Whitlock, Houck and Bello is very encouraging, although they were against a feeble Yankee offense without Judge.

 

I too will compliment the Sox on the recent good pitching...but team is .500...and winning 2 in a row has been like some sort of hardship for this squad.

[Dipre]

Leiter was the guy the Red Sox really wanted, and shifted to Mayer after Leiter was taken.

 

Says who?

[Old Red]

Says who?

 

The reports. Mayer wasn’t even expected to be around for the 4th pick, or even 3rd for that matter.

[mvp 78]

Did they pass on him though? The only reason Mayer got to the Red Sox in the first place was league-wide concern about being able to sign the guy. So the Red Sox used that famous "team-mystique" and "financial muscle" to sign a guy who was far and away the most well-regarded prospect to that class. Kinda tired of the "fell in his lap" fallacy.

 

Eh, I don't buy it that much. There was a little bit of concern, but it wasn't like OMG THIS GUY IS UNSIGNABLE. Pirates went with the underslot college guy as the Pirates cheapskates do. Also, it's good for business to spread money around in the draft anyway, especially since you get more money depending on where you draft. Rangers wanted Leiter and were going to take him at 2 no matter what. It was just the Tigers taking Jobe for 6.9M instead of Sox taking Mayer for 6.66M. Jobe was hitting 99MPH in High School and already had a plus slider. Since it's such a crapshoot, you can't say the Tigers passed on Mayer "due to signability" when they also went for an overslot prep guy and one who took more money than Mayer did anyway.

[mvp 78]

Leiter was the guy the Red Sox really wanted, and shifted to Mayer after Leiter was taken.

 

Nah. Leiter was never mentioned. I heard Lawlar and House.

[mvp 78]

The reports. Mayer wasn’t even expected to be around for the 4th pick, or even 3rd for that matter.

 

Which ones? TEX was always going to take Leiter.

[Old Red]

Which ones? TEX was always going to take Leiter.

 

MLB.com 12 July 2021.

[Dipre]

The reports. Mayer wasn’t even expected to be around for the 4th pick, or even 3rd for that matter.

 

What report? Also, what you're saying is that the Red Sox weren't expecting the consensus best prospect in the draft to be available at number 4, but went with the best available talent instead of cheaping out, in a move that's looking better by the minute? What a blunder by Bloom!

[Dipre]

Eh, I don't buy it that much. There was a little bit of concern, but it wasn't like OMG THIS GUY IS UNSIGNABLE. Pirates went with the underslot college guy as the Pirates cheapskates do. Also, it's good for business to spread money around in the draft anyway, especially since you get more money depending on where you draft. Rangers wanted Leiter and were going to take him at 2 no matter what. It was just the Tigers taking Jobe for 6.9M instead of Sox taking Mayer for 6.66M. Jobe was hitting 99MPH in High School and already had a plus slider. Since it's such a crapshoot, you can't say the Tigers passed on Mayer "due to signability" when they also went for an overslot prep guy and one who took more money than Mayer did anyway.

 

I saw a lot of reports of scouts whining about him wanting a ton of money and not signing if he didn't get his desired figure.

[sk7326]

I saw a lot of reports of scouts whining about him wanting a ton of money and not signing if he didn't get his desired figure.

 

It is also noteworthy he was the first high school player taken - so the first 3 teams did run to the relative safety of college players.

[Dipre]

It is also noteworthy he was the first high school player taken - so the first 3 teams did run to the relative safety of college players.

 

As "risk-averse" (ie. Cheap) teams are wont to do.

[mvp 78]

It is also noteworthy he was the first high school player taken - so the first 3 teams did run to the relative safety of college players.

 

Jackson Jobe was taken at #3 and was a High School player. The literal guy right before him as I said in my post.

[mvp 78]

As "risk-averse" (ie. Cheap) teams are wont to do.

 

Agreeing with a wrong post as some posters are wont to do.

[Dipre]

Jackson Jobe was taken at #3 and was a High School player. The literal guy right before him as I said in my post.

 

A mea culpa, you are indeed correct.

[Old Red]

What report? Also, what you're saying is that the Red Sox weren't expecting the consensus best prospect in the draft to be available at number 4, but went with the best available talent instead of cheaping out, in a move that's looking better by the minute? What a blunder by Bloom!

 

No one said it was a blunder by Bloom. All I ever said was I’m not giving Bloom credit for taken someone who was rated as the BPA, and that 3 other teams passed on him for various reasons.I also have said no one knows how things will work out, and if Mayer will turn out being the best player in the 2021 draft. You have ran with it from there.

[mvp 78]

If Jack Leiter, a college player, went #1 overall in that draft, nobody would have blinked an eye. But in 20/20 hindsight that's just the relative safety that certain scaredy cat small bean teams need to run towards... Jeez. If Leiter fell to the Sox, half of you would have had to wipe your computer screens afterwards. If the Sox passed on Leiter, there would have been a watch at the Tobin. Gimmie a break...

 

The only issue was the Pirates selecting Henry Davis at #1.

[Dipre]

No one said it was a blunder by Bloom. All I ever said was I’m not giving Bloom credit for taken someone who was rated as the BPA, and that 3 other teams passed on him for various reasons.I also have said no one knows how things will work out, and if Mayer will turn out being the best player in the 2021 draft. You have ran with it from there.

 

So you're saying that you're not willing to give credit for moves that look like, but may not be a success, but you're willing to complain to the high heavens and be negative 24/7 for moves that look like, but may not be, a bust? Sounds consistent to me.

[Dipre]

If Jack Leiter, a college player, went #1 overall in that draft, nobody would have blinked an eye. But in 20/20 hindsight that's just the relative safety that certain scaredy cat small bean teams need to run towards... Jeez. If Leiter fell to the Sox, half of you would have had to wipe your computer screens afterwards. If the Sox passed on Leiter, there would have been a watch at the Tobin. Gimmie a break...

 

The only issue was the Pirates selecting Henry Davis at #1.

 

I will go ahead and say that I was all Mayer, all the time. Notice how I always complain about not finding pitching in the mid-late rounds, but consistently state that their draft strategy is sound. I think the strategy of avoiding pitchers in the top 10-15 picks in the draft, unless they're freaks, is sound.

[Old Red]

If Jack Leiter, a college player, went #1 overall in that draft, nobody would have blinked an eye. But in 20/20 hindsight that's just the relative safety that certain scaredy cat small bean teams need to run towards... Jeez. If Leiter fell to the Sox, half of you would have had to wipe your computer screens afterwards. If the Sox passed on Leiter, there would have been a watch at the Tobin. Gimmie a break...

 

The only issue was the Pirates selecting Henry Davis at #1.

 

The report I read this morning said that the Red Sox shifted to Mayer after Leiter was taken. That’s a fact.

[mvp 78]

I will go ahead and say that I was all Mayer, all the time. Notice how I always complain about not finding pitching in the mid-late rounds, but consistently state that their draft strategy is sound. I think the strategy of avoiding pitchers in the top 10-15 picks in the draft, unless they're freaks, is sound.

 

Starting at the 2015 Draft:

2015

0 AS pitchers 10-15, picks included Carson Fulmer, Kaprelian (16th)

2016

0 AS pitchers, Ian Anderson, AJ Puk, Braxton Garrett, Cal Quantril, Matt Manning, Jay Groome!

2017

1 AS pitcher (Rogers), Trevor Rogers, Hunter Greene, Mackenzie Gore, Kyle Wright, Shane Baz

2018

0 AS pitchers, Casey Mize, Ryan Weathers, Grayson Rodriguez, Logan Gilbert

2019

1 AS pitcher (Manoah), Nick Lodolo, Alek Manoah

2020

0 AS pitchers, Max Meyer, Reid Detmers

2021

0 AS pitchers, Sam Bachman

2022

0 AS pitchers (duh), no one has appeared in MLB yet

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Starting at the 2015 Draft:

2015

0 AS pitchers 10-15, picks included Carson Fulmer, Kaprelian (16th)

2016

0 AS pitchers, Ian Anderson, AJ Puk, Braxton Garrett, Cal Quantril, Matt Manning, Jay Groome!

2017

1 AS pitcher (Rogers), Trevor Rogers, Hunter Greene, Mackenzie Gore, Kyle Wright, Shane Baz

2018

0 AS pitchers, Casey Mize, Ryan Weathers, Grayson Rodriguez, Logan Gilbert

2019

1 AS pitcher (Manoah), Nick Lodolo, Alek Manoah

2020

0 AS pitchers, Max Meyer, Reid Detmers

2021

0 AS pitchers, Sam Bachman

2022

0 AS pitchers (duh), no one has appeared in MLB yet

 

Don't rush them or you'll make them psychotic.

[Dipre]

Don't rush them or you'll make them psychotic.

 

Are you trying to be funny or something?

[Dipre]

The report I read this morning said that the Red Sox shifted to Mayer after Leiter was taken. That’s a fact.

 

If both were available, they would have drafted Mayer anyways. They would have drafted the best player available, because that is consistent with their M.O. Also one report from an outside source does not a fact make. And that's a fact.

[notin]

The report I read this morning said that the Red Sox shifted to Mayer after Leiter was taken. That’s a fact.

 

They may have been focusing on Leiter because they assumed Mayer would be taken…

[Dipre]

They may have been focusing on Leiter because they assumed Mayer would be taken…

 

That's the prevailing notion.

[Old Red]

Seems that you glob onto that part, but NOT the positivity horn or all the other stuff? Wonder why?

 

How about when Carrabis turned on sports radio this morning after a Sunday night game, which they won against the Yankees taking the series, and all he heard was Pats talk, which isn’t even in season. I’ve been saying for weeks now the Red Sox are on the back burner in Boston, and are now the #4 team in the city. I know you wouldn’t know it on here, but for the second year in a row the Red Sox are a last place in the Div team teetering on being a losing team, and out of the postseason. Sad, but true, and they have done that to themselves.

[moonslav59]

"How big of a blunder can a $10M/1 year signing be?"

 

That's a fair question about Kluber. I would think the answer is, "big enough to cost us a spot in the playoffs" - which is big. Not saying that's what's going to happen, but you were asking for a hypothetical.

 

I'm not saying a $10M signing can't make a big difference, but my point was about what can be expected from a $10M/1 signing, and in that context, how can any signing at that money ever be viewed as a major blunder.

 

Signing deGrom was a blunder. The Story signing is headed towards blunder. The Sale extensión was a blunder.

 

The Kluber signing was a stab in the dark that missed its mark. So was Richards.

 

The Wacha and Hill signings- both for less money- worked out better. Go figure!

[moonslav59]

So you're saying that you're not willing to give credit for moves that look like, but may not be a success, but you're willing to complain to the high heavens and be negative 24/7 for moves that look like, but may not be, a bust? Sounds consistent to me.

 

Whatever fits the narrative.