Fire Bloom .

[Bellhorn04]

Bogey is rolling the dice and he may not get the payday he thinks he's going to wind up with.

 

No, but he'll surely get more than the 3/$60 that was left on his deal.

[mvp 78]

No, but he'll surely get more than the 3/$60 that was left on his deal.

 

I agree. What was the "lowball" offer that everyone is whining about?

[notin]

Semien was an overpay.

 

Semien was the active shortstop leader in fWAR over the previous 4 years at the time…

[notin]

Bogey is rolling the dice and he may not get the payday he thinks he's going to wind up with.

 

I think he will get 6/$150…

[moonslav59]

I think he will get 6/$150…

 

Agreed. Maybe one GM might go $160/6 or $175/7, but I think $150M/6 is about right.

[Bellhorn04]

Agreed. Maybe one GM might go $160/6 or $175/7, but I think $150M/6 is about right.

 

$150/6 is right, but it won't be enough.

 

$180/7 might be the absolute ceiling for the Red Sox, but that's just a guess of course.

[mvp 78]

I think he will get 6/$150…

 

2018: 2.9 (which was a career high at the time at age 27!)

2020: 0.2

 

Yes, he had two monster seasons in 19 and 21. Surprise surprise, his SLG is 100 points less this year than last.

[mvp 78]

I think he will get 6/$150…

 

I'd pay him that today.

[moonslav59]

2018: 2.9 (which was a career high at the time at age 27!)

2020: 0.2

 

Yes, he had two monster seasons in 19 and 21. Surprise surprise, his SLG is 100 points less this year than last.

 

Certainly the drop in SLG is troublesome, but the whole league has declined- though not as much as he has.

.418 in 2020

.411 in 2021

.395 in 2022

 

I wish they has a SLG+ stat, but here are Bogey's OPS+ numbers:

135 in '18

139 in '19

128 in '20

129 in '21

131 in '22

 

Remarkably consistent and very good.

[mvp 78]

Certainly the drop in SLG is troublesome, but the whole league has declined- though not as much as he has.

.418 in 2020

.411 in 2021

.395 in 2022

 

I wish they has a SLG+ stat, but here are Bogey's OPS+ numbers:

135 in '18

139 in '19

128 in '20

129 in '21

131 in '22

 

Remarkably consistent and very good.

 

All of Semien's seasons have had SLG between 372 and 435 except for 2019 and 2021 which were 522 and 538. Seem like outliers to me?

[moonslav59]

A couple near misses on Bloom's account:

 

Jeffery Springs

Bloom trades Sam Travis for Springs in JAN '20

7.08 ERA/ 1.82 WHIP

Bloom trades Springs with Mazza for Ronald Hernandez

2 years w TBR 180 IP

2.70 ERA/ 1.08 WHIP

 

Martin Perez

Bloom signs Perez Dec 2019

4.50 ERA/ 1.34 WHIP

Bloom signs Perez FEB 2021

4.74 ERA/ 1.51 WHIP

Perez signs with Rangers MAR 2022

2.89 ERA/ 1.26 WHIP

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

A couple near misses on Bloom's account:

 

Jeffery Springs

Bloom trades Sam Travis for Springs in JAN '20

7.08 ERA/ 1.82 WHIP

Bloom trades Springs with Mazza for Ronald Hernandez

2 years w TBR 180 IP

2.70 ERA/ 1.08 WHIP

 

Martin Perez

Bloom signs Perez Dec 2019

4.50 ERA/ 1.34 WHIP

Bloom signs Perez FEB 2021

4.74 ERA/ 1.51 WHIP

Perez signs with Rangers MAR 2022

2.89 ERA/ 1.26 WHIP

 

Can't help but wonder if the big misses were maybe the pitching coaches and/or developmental staff that worked with Springs and Perez in Boston.

[moonslav59]

Can't help but wonder if the big misses were maybe the pitching coaches and/or developmental staff that worked with Springs and Perez in Boston.

 

Indeed, that could be it.

 

It could also be good instincts but just bad luck with timing.

[notin]

Can't help but wonder if the big misses were maybe the pitching coaches and/or developmental staff that worked with Springs and Perez in Boston.

 

Perez did have a 4.72 ERA across two organizations and 173 games before ever setting foot in Fenway. He wasn’t some big developmental miss; he’s just a guy who has his career year somewhere else.

 

Springs only pitched 20 IP in Boston. We really had no time to make an opinion one way or the other…

[moonslav59]

Perez did have a 4.72 ERA across two organizations and 173 games before ever setting foot in Fenway. He wasn’t some big developmental miss; he’s just a guy who has his career year somewhere else.

 

Springs only pitched 20 IP in Boston. We really had no time to make an opinion one way or the other…

 

There were reasons we took a flyer on both of these guys. Bloom & Co. saw some hopes in both.

 

It looked like two swings and misses, but now, in hindsight, it looks like maybe- just maybe- it was just his timing that was off.

 

(He did give Perez two seperate chances.)

[Bellhorn04]

There were reasons we took a flyer on both of these guys. Bloom & Co. saw some hopes in both.

 

It looked like two swings and misses, but now, in hindsight, it looks like maybe- just maybe- it was just his timing that was off.

 

(He did give Perez two seperate chances.)

 

"The timing was off" is pretty useless as an explanation for such things. The real questions are how did Perez and Springs get better after leaving the Sox, and why did Bloom think Springs was so expendable on a team desperately in need of pitching?

[notin]

There were reasons we took a flyer on both of these guys. Bloom & Co. saw some hopes in both.

 

It looked like two swings and misses, but now, in hindsight, it looks like maybe- just maybe- it was just his timing that was off.

 

(He did give Perez two seperate chances.)

 

He did like something, but he also didn’t exactly go o ask in on either one. You also have to wonder if what he saw in Springs was what he saw in Garrett Richards (a high and in this case substance-aided spin rate).

 

With Perez it was his cutter that Bloom liked, much like how he also saw something in Pivetta (curveball, I think)…

[notin]

"The timing was off" is pretty useless as an explanation for such things. The real questions are how did Perez and Springs get better after leaving the Sox, and why did Bloom think Springs was so expendable on a team desperately in need of pitching?

 

Because he knew he could pull Pivetta and Schreiber out of his ass?

 

He gave up early on a couple guys who gave him no reason not to…

[mvp 78]

Perez did have a 4.72 ERA across two organizations and 173 games before ever setting foot in Fenway. He wasn’t some big developmental miss; he’s just a guy who has his career year somewhere else.

 

Springs only pitched 20 IP in Boston. We really had no time to make an opinion one way or the other…

 

With Springs, they spoke about the reasons they liked him during 2022 (spin rates, k rates, etc) and considered him a potential late inning guy. Not sure why they didn't give him another shot. He had flashes in 2022, more so than the other dreck out there in the pen.

[mvp 78]

There were reasons we took a flyer on both of these guys. Bloom & Co. saw some hopes in both.

 

It looked like two swings and misses, but now, in hindsight, it looks like maybe- just maybe- it was just his timing that was off.

 

(He did give Perez two seperate chances.)

 

With Perez, it could be a one year blip. He did increase his sinker usage and it was very effective for him.

[moonslav59]

"The timing was off" is pretty useless as an explanation for such things. The real questions are how did Perez and Springs get better after leaving the Sox, and why did Bloom think Springs was so expendable on a team desperately in need of pitching?

 

It certainly could be just "timing." (BTW, I used the word "maybe" twice to emphasize how speculative my point was.)

 

It could be coaching-related, too.

[moonslav59]

Because he knew he could pull Pivetta and Schreiber out of his ass?

 

He gave up early on a couple guys who gave him no reason not to…

 

I'm blaming this on "crybaby fans," too. (LOL)

 

Can you imagine the relentless and hysterical crying had we brought these two back for another year?

[notin]

With Springs, they spoke about the reasons they liked him during 2022 (spin rates, k rates, etc) and considered him a potential late inning guy. Not sure why they didn't give him another shot. He had flashes in 2022, more so than the other dreck out there in the pen.

 

The important thing is hopefully they learned not to give up so early on guys they liked for some reason, which could be why they didn’t give up on Schreiber after 2021…

[notin]

I'm blaming this on "crybaby fans," too. (LOL)

 

Can you imagine the relentless and hysterical crying had we brought these two back for another year?

 

Obviously fans have zero input.

 

I didn’t get what they saw in Springs, either. But apparently he did have some skills. My assumption was “well, that’s what you get when you’re trading away Sam Travis. Garbage gets you garbage.”

 

At the very least, this whole scenario has given me at least some optimism for Easton McGee…

[Bellhorn04]

It certainly could be just "timing." (BTW, I used the word "maybe" twice to emphasize how speculative my point was.)

 

It could be coaching-related, too.

 

OK, well, "timing" is just another way of saying "blind luck", no?

[moonslav59]

OK, well, "timing" is just another way of saying "blind luck", no?

 

No. I think Bloom had the right instincts on these guys, but just missed on the timing. I guess that's bad luck, but maybe not "blind."

[Bellhorn04]

No. I think Bloom had the right instincts on these guys, but just missed on the timing. I guess that's bad luck, but maybe not "blind."

 

Again, that makes no sense. If Bloom had the right instincts about Springs, he wouldn't have sold low on him.

[mvp 78]

The important thing is hopefully they learned not to give up so early on guys they liked for some reason, which could be why they didn’t give up on Schreiber after 2021…

 

Schreiber was decent in AAA last season. I think the only reason he didn't get more of a shot in the pen last year is that it didn't fall apart the way this year's pen did.

[mvp 78]

No. I think Bloom had the right instincts on these guys, but just missed on the timing. I guess that's bad luck, but maybe not "blind."

 

But if his instincts are right, why is he giving up on them?

 

What about guys like Osich? Brice? Deikman?

[mvp 78]

Again, that makes no sense. If Bloom had the right instincts about Springs, he wouldn't have sold low on him.

 

Yup.