Fire Bloom .

[Old Red]

To his credit, Dombrowski has not done in Philadelphia what he did in Boston and Detroit. No 6 or 7 years mega-contracts. No emptying the upper levels of the farm. (Heck he actually tried using them.)

 

Interestingly, he has reverted to his Detroit days in hoping and praying a closer happens as opposed to his Boston days of stockpiling the bullpen with closers (most of whom got hurt).

 

Bloom obviously liked Schwarber; he traded for Kyle while he was on the Injured List and waited out the impact. But he “whiffed” because the Sox were simply too close to their budget limit to afford a second DH while having other vacancies in the lineup.

 

By the way, does this newfound love of Schwarber mean you’re finally through referring to him as Fred Flintstone in a derogatory manner?

You don’t even know why I refer to Schwarber as Flintstone Schwarber, so how could you possibly know if it was derogatory, or not??? By the way it is not!

[moonslav59]

I'm not knocking DD at all, he was a great GM. I'm just not crediting him with building up the system. He built up the big league club and went for it and ultimately got a ring out of it so I'd be a fool to complain. In hindsight, he traded the right guys, but I think that's a lot of luck too. Nobody can predict with 100% accuracy a human being's future. For example, when the traded Moncada, I seriously doubt they thought he would bust but rather knew they had to part with a premium talent to get a guy like Chris Sale. DD went for the present and did very little to build for the future and I give him very little credit for the system.

 

That's not a knock on him as a GM, he came in and did what he was tasked to do, and to be fair if you go back to his earlier days he has a history of building up a system. It's within him to do and he's a smart guy....he just didn't do that here.

 

I'm not crediting DD for being an overall plus on farm building. He hurt the farm much more than he helped. I am just saying he did better than many of us expected, and he kept Devers, Houck and a few others who make the term "decimated" untrue.

 

The fact that our best prospects who made the bigs after Devers were Houck, Dalbec and Duran is not giving credit.

[moonslav59]

I’m not the HOBO, and Bloom is, so because I was wrong I guess Bloom is too. Lifetime contract? Are you still hung up on that? Schwarber may have been worth signing, but a big hell no on any lifetime contract. Pure lunacy! Maybe Storyland should have been the one not signed. DD may be headed to the WS, and Bloom is sitting home watching. The jury might not have to deliberate much longer.

 

I'm not hung up on it like you are with my saying you hated Cora, despite me quickly apologizing.

 

BTW, Schwarber's 4 year deal with the Phillies might just be, essentially, a lifetime deal. He might be toast by age 33.

 

Also, I never once heard you say we should have given more for Schwarber than Philly gave, yet you now say Bloom whiffed by not bringing him back. Classic.

[moonslav59]

You don’t even know why I refer to Schwarber as Flintstone Schwarber, so how could you possibly know if it was derogatory, or not??? By the way it is not!

 

Nobody wants to know.

[Old Red]

I'm not hung up on it like you are with my saying you hated Cora, despite me quickly apologizing.

 

BTW, Schwarber's 4 year deal with the Phillies might just be, essentially, a lifetime deal. He might be toast by age 33.

 

Also, I never once heard you say we should have given more for Schwarber than Philly gave, yet you now say Bloom whiffed by not bringing him back. Classic.

I understand Bloom whiffing on Schwarber, because he was so engrossed in the JBJ trade, which must have taken priority.

[Old Red]

nobody wants to know.

 

yabba dabba doo!

[moonslav59]

I understand Bloom whiffing on Schwarber, because he was so engrossed in the JBJ trade, which must have taken priority.

 

You never said we should have signed Schwarber to what he got with Philly (or more,) so you "whiffed," too.

[notin]

You don’t even know why I refer to Schwarber as Flintstone Schwarber, so how could you possibly know if it was derogatory, or not??? By the way it is not!

 

No one believes you were complimenting him by referring to him as a buffoonish animated character…

[notin]

I understand Bloom whiffing on Schwarber, because he was so engrossed in the JBJ trade, which must have taken priority.

 

So you think Bloom should have brought a Schwarber back to play where?

[Bellhorn04]

No one believes you were complimenting him by referring to him as a buffoonish animated character…

 

Fred Flintstone is a pretty solid citizen as far as cartoon characters go...

[notin]

Fred Flintstone is a pretty solid citizen as far as cartoon characters go...

 

The entire comedy was based on him acting buffoonish but redeeming himself at the end by virtue of his heart of gold. In this respect, the obvious influence of Ralph Cramden (of “The Honeymooners”) is rather blatant…

Edited October 23, 2022 by notin

[Old Red]

No one believes you were complimenting him by referring to him as a buffoonish animated character…

 

No one said it was complimentary either. You are all over the map on this, and not even close to being right on anything.

[notin]

No one said it was complimentary either. You are all over the map on this, and not even close to being right on anything.

 

Right. It’s one of those neutral references that people make when they want to make no point at all.

 

The truly sad part is your denial. It’s actually OK for you to have not liked Schwarber and then like him now, even if it’s for only transparent reasons. It’s not even hypocritical…

[Old Red]

You never said we should have signed Schwarber to what he got with Philly (or more,) so you "whiffed," too.

 

I already admitted I was wrong on this, but what did I say I’m not the HOBO, and Bloom is, so if it makes you feel better to said I whiffed too then go for it, but by saying I whiffed TOO you are finally admitting Bloom did whiff. See it wasn’t that hard was it? Just another blemish on Bloom’s resume.

[Old Red]

Right. It’s one of those neutral references that people make when they want to make no point at all.

 

The truly sad part is your denial. It’s actually OK for you to have not liked Schwarber and then like him now, even if it’s for only transparent reasons. It’s not even hypocritical…

Where did it say I didn’t like Flintstone.

[notin]

I already admitted I was wrong on this, but what did I say I’m not the HOBO, and Bloom is, so if it makes you feel better to said I whiffed too then go for it, but by saying I whiffed TOO you are finally admitting Bloom did whiff. See it wasn’t that hard was it? Just another blemish on Bloom’s resume.

 

Whiffing on Schwarber was understandable.

 

His best position is DH, and the Sox had a $19.4 mill solution already in place there. The only real possibility might have been if the Sox put Schwarber in LF, Verdugo in RF, Bradley in CF, and moved Kike to 2b and not signed Story. I’m not sure how much better that solution is.

 

Any other alignment - especially one that involves keeping Renfroe - simply doesn’t work defensively…

[notin]

Where did it say I didn’t like Flintstone.

 

You might be the first person I’ve ever encountered whose first language is Strawman…

[moonslav59]

I already admitted I was wrong on this, but what did I say I’m not the HOBO, and Bloom is, so if it makes you feel better to said I whiffed too then go for it, but by saying I whiffed TOO you are finally admitting Bloom did whiff. See it wasn’t that hard was it? Just another blemish on Bloom’s resume.

 

No, your logic is flawed, again. I said if you are saying Bloom wiffed, so did you.

 

I do not view not out bidding Philly for Schwarber as a wiff. Had we traded JD, I'd have been fine with bringing him back.

 

Having both JD and Schwarber on the 26 would have entailed an extremely complicated platoon and rotation set up to get everyone deserving 450+ PAs their 450+. Now, in hindsight, taking all of Dalbec's PASs would have been fine, but many here were disgusted by Schwarbers defense at 1B, last year.

 

Maybe I missed it, but I never saw your admission of being wrong on KS.

 

 

 

 

 

[notin]

Where did it say I didn’t like Flintstone.

 

Also don’t try to argue now that out was a compliment when you refuted that yourself three posts previous…

[Old Red]

No, your logic is flawed, again. I said if you are saying Bloom wiffed, so did you.

 

I do not view not out bidding Philly for Schwarber as a wiff. Had we traded JD, I'd have been fine with bringing him back.

 

Having both JD and Schwarber on the 26 would have entailed an extremely complicated platoon and rotation set up to get everyone deserving 450+ PAs their 450+. Now, in hindsight, taking all of Dalbec's PASs would have been fine, but many here were disgusted by Schwarbers defense at 1B, last year.

 

Maybe I missed it, but I never saw your admission of being wrong on KS.

 

 

 

 

 

You missed it, which is not surprising at all. The bad part is so did Bloom.

[Old Red]

Also don’t try to argue now that out was a compliment when you refuted that yourself three posts previous…

 

Once again not even a clue about the Flintstone reference , but that doesn’t even matter. Priceless!

Edited October 23, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

Once again not even a clue about the Flintstone reference , but that doesn’t even matter. Priceless!

 

Finally, you are right,

 

Your Flintstone comment doesn't even matter.

 

You'd think you'd get the hint when nobody bothered to ask what you meant by it..

[Old Red]

Finally, you are right,

 

Your Flintstone comment doesn't even matter.

 

You'd think you'd get the hint when nobody bothered to ask what you meant by it..

 

I wasn’t the one who brought up the Flintstone reference, but it seems to still get a shout-out a year after it was first mentioned.

[moonslav59]

I wasn’t the one who brought up the Flintstone reference, but it seems to still get a shout-out a year after it was first mentioned.

 

Again, nobody cares.

[Old Red]

Again, nobody cares.

 

Again! Why does the Flintstone reference keeps being brought up?

[moonslav59]

You missed it, which is not surprising at all. The bad part is so did Bloom.

 

Signing Schwarber would not have made a difference in '22.

 

Going forward, I'd rather have Story, anyway.

[dgalehouse]

Dombrowski was fired by Henry approximately ten months after he produced the winningest season in Red Sox history, culminating in a World Series championship. Bloom was hired to replace him. At this point in time , it certainly looks like that was a big mistake.

[notin]

Dombrowski was fired by Henry approximately ten months after he produced the winningest season in Red Sox history, culminating in a World Series championship. Bloom was hired to replace him. At this point in time , it certainly looks like that was a big mistake.

 

The problem was Dombrowski left the Sox in a very bad position payroll wise.

 

Had they kept him, they wouldn’t be better off now. You would just have to acknowledge DD was the GM who traded Betts. Or worse, didn’t trade Betts and let him walk for nothing…

[Old Red]

Signing Schwarber would not have made a difference in '22.

 

Going forward, I'd rather have Story, anyway.

 

Yea I can see why no team would want a 40+HR hitter. You have NO CLUE if Schwarber would have made a difference this year, or not, which you confirmed by saying he wouldn’t have.

[Old Red]

The problem was Dombrowski left the Sox in a very bad position payroll wise.

 

Had they kept him, they wouldn’t be better off now. You would just have to acknowledge DD was the GM who traded Betts. Or worse, didn’t trade Betts and let him walk for nothing…

 

Everyone knows, or at least I thought they did that JH traded Mookie, and JH will be the one to determine in Bogey, and Raffy stay.