Fire Bloom .

[MADSTORK]

Lmao!

Whose the stooges who want to deal off Casas and Mayer?

 

Casas should be up and playing everyday 1B. Since he is not just shows how incompetent Orlando really is

Far as Mayer, after the AB Renfro and Betts trades, I wouldn’t let Orlando trade a baseball card never mind a potential All-Star player

 

Like I said, Henry needs to dump this chump sooner rather than later

Garbage GM!

[Bellhorn04]

What's amazing is, Bloom did much better at the deadline than Cashman.

 

Cashman somehow found a way to make this year's team worse, and lose good prospects in the process! :D:D

[Bellhorn04]

Since the trade deadline the Yankees are 9-19. Way to give the guys a boost, Cash!

[moonslav59]

Trading Triston Casas unchecks all the boxes for a position the Red Sox shouldn't have to worry about for years.

 

At 22, Casas is the top-rated first base prospect in all of baseball (26th overall). He is everything the Red Sox lack at that position: a good offensive player who chokes up and goes opposite field when down in the count, and was also just named the best defensive first sacker in the International League. For a parent club suddenly severely lacking in the longall, Casas' power potential only adds to his allure. He is 6'4, 250+ pounds and batted third for Manager Mike Scoscia's Team USA as a 21-year-old a year ago.

 

Finally, when Casas makes the big leagues, he will be making minimum wage... until he enjoys some success, at which point Boston will sign him to a longterm contract that will make him rich -- but not break the budget -- and most importantly, lock up his prime years as part of the core of a sustained contender.

 

All true, and I value Casas so much, I think an untested prospect is worth a known ace-type pitcher with two years at arb cost.

[moonslav59]

What's amazing is, Bloom did much better at the deadline than Cashman.

 

Cashman somehow found a way to make this year's team worse, and lose good prospects in the process! :D:D

 

And, Bloom was criticized for not doing what Cashman does (this year and last.)

 

Unlike Cashman, Blooms deals, this year, made us better, next year and beyond, too. (I suppose Montas might trun things around, but teh Yanks parted with some good prospects.)

[Hugh2]

Lmao!

Whose the stooges who want to deal off Casas and Mayer?

 

Casas should be up and playing everyday 1B. Since he is not just shows how incompetent Orlando really is

Far as Mayer, after the AB Renfro and Betts trades, I wouldn’t let Orlando trade a baseball card never mind a potential All-Star player

 

Like I said, Henry needs to dump this chump sooner rather than later

Garbage GM!

 

Wow….so insightful. FWIW I’m talking about trading Mayer for #1 starter ace. Last time we did that we gave up TWO prospects Mayers caliber plus more.

 

It’s so funny how people can criticize the FO but yet their concept of how much a FA should be paid, or what we should pay in a trade is so lopsided and devoid of any realization that there are other GMs on the other side of a deal and other teams bidding on players. Or they think we can trade a large number of garbage prospects for a premium player, like would you do that? Would you take 10 garbage prospects for Rafael Devers?

 

Then there’s the other group who have the mantra of “well it’s not my money” or say they’re just prospect and would gladly trade the entire farm for a rental.

 

The biggest weakness on this last place team is pitching. They desperately need pitching. So let’s hear your genius plan to strengthen the pitching staff.

Edited September 3, 2022 by A Red Sox fan named Hugh

[Bobe2]

Wow….so insightful. FWIW I’m talking about trading Mayer for #1 starter ace. Last time we did that we gave up TWO prospects Mayers caliber plus more.

 

It’s so funny how people can criticize the FO but yet their concept of how much a FA should be paid, or what we should pay in a trade is so lopsided and devoid of any realization that there are other GMs on the other side of a deal and other teams bidding on players. Or they think we can trade a large number of garbage prospects for a premium player, like would you do that? Would you take 10 garbage prospects for Rafael Devers?

 

Then there’s the other group who have the mantra of “well it’s not my money” or say they’re just prospect and would gladly trade the entire farm for a rental.

 

The biggest weakness on this last place team is pitching. They desperately need pitching. So let’s hear your genius plan to strengthen the pitching staff.

 

Instead of trading away Boston’s top prospects how about they spend some money on free agents, there are potentially 280 players eligible for free agency among them are 161 pitchers let’s see how good he is at free agents

Edited September 3, 2022 by Bobe2

[Hugh2]

Instead of trading away Boston’s top prospects how about they spend some money on free agents, there are potentially 280 players eligible for free agency amount them are 161 pitchers let’s see how good he is at free agents

 

This is exactly what I’m talking about, why not SUGGEST a FA pitcher we go after.

[Bobe2]

This is exactly what I’m talking about, why not SUGGEST a FA pitcher we go after.

 

You don’t need to trade anyone to get a free agent

[Hugh2]

You don’t need to trade anyone to get a free agent

 

No, but If there’s no one you like on the FA market then you trade for them. So I’ll ask again, what pitchers would you sign in FA????

[moonslav59]

No, but If there’s no one you like on the FA market then you trade for them. So I’ll ask again, what pitchers would you sign in FA????

 

Very short list, and the few that are good will cost way too much.

[notin]

Instead of trading away Boston’s top prospects how about they spend some money on free agents, there are potentially 280 players eligible for free agency among them are 161 pitchers let’s see how good he is at free agents

 

I think they’ll spend on free agents. Hopefully they extend Devers and bring back Bogaerts, Wacha and Hernandez. (I’m doubtful on Bogaerts.)

 

Beyond that, I like to see this team get back to using OBP. Nimmo (also unlikely) and Josh Bell make for good targets…

[oldtimer]

And, Bloom was criticized for not doing what Cashman does (this year and last.)

 

Unlike Cashman, Blooms deals, this year, made us better, next year and beyond, too. (I suppose Montas might trun things around, but teh Yanks parted with some good prospects.)

 

Bloom didn't make us better than last year's team. In that respect, the team got worse.

[moonslav59]

I think they’ll spend on free agents. Hopefully they extend Devers and bring back Bogaerts, Wacha and Hernandez. (I’m doubtful on Bogaerts.)

 

Beyond that, I like to see this team get back to using OBP. Nimmo (also unlikely) and Josh Bell make for good targets…

 

I'd be happy with

Devers

Bogey

Wacha

Kike

Nimmo

RP'er

 

Top OBP FAs on this Winter's Market (2019-2022)

10. Nimmo .379

13. Bogey .377

16. Y Grandal .372

22. Brantley .368

33. Rizzo .362

40. Belt .357

41. Abreu .355

42. Correa .355

45. Bell .354

48. Cruz .353

49. Muncy .353

55. JD .351

64. C Santana .349

73. T Anderson .347

77. K Wong .345

 

 

[notin]

Bloom didn't make us better than last year's team. In that respect, the team got worse.

 

No but I think he was saying the Sox were a better team on August 3rd turn they were on August 1st…

[Hugh2]

Very short list, and the few that are good will cost way too much.

 

Exactly which will drive up the price even more, and they’re all 30 and older.

 

The one thing we seem to agree on here, is it seems optimal to explore the trade market to upgrade the rotation.

[moonslav59]

No but I think he was saying the Sox were a better team on August 3rd turn they were on August 1st…

 

Yes. The deadline deals made us better in 2022 and beyond... something not to easy to do.

+ McGuire

+ Pham

+ Hosmer

+ multiple prospects, including Valdez, Abreu and Freguson

+ dumping Diekman

? Hosmer (free)

- Vaz

- Groome

 

I also think the net results of all his winter moves does not come to a negative:

 

Negative:

JBJ trade

Diekman signing (turned into a plus by dumping his contract and acquiring McGuire for multiple years)

 

OK:

Hill

 

???

Story

 

Good:

Strahm

 

Great:

Wacha

Schreiber

Refsnyder

[Old Red]

Well another win, but the only thing the Red Sox are getting closer to is 500.

 

2 games from 500

 

7 games back of the winning O’s in the L column to get out of last place

 

9 games back in the L column for the last Wild Card spot.

 

The biggest question left with plenty of Div games to go is if the Red Sox can get to 500, or not.18-36 in the Div pretty much says it all.

Edited September 4, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

3.5 games behind the #7 slot in the AL, which is top half. (5 in the loss column to CLE.)

[notin]

Well another win, but the only thing the Red Sox are getting closer to is 500.

 

2 games from 500

 

7 games back of the winning O’s in the L column to get out of last place

 

9 games back in the L column for the last Wild Card spot.

 

The biggest question left with plenty of Div games to go is if the Red Sox can get to 500, or not.18-36 in the Div pretty much says it all.

 

The Red Sox are 48-32 in non-division games? That translates to a huge improvement in next year’s balanced schedule…

[Old Red]

3.5 games behind the #7 slot in the AL, which is top half. (5 in the loss column to CLE.)

 

The L column is the most important tell when reading standings to me. You can’t make up a loss. I don’t think being in the top half of the league is any kind of accomplishment especially when the Red Sox have a losing record.

Edited September 4, 2022 by Old Red

[Old Red]

The Red Sox are 48-32 in non-division games? That translates to a huge improvement in next year’s balanced schedule…

 

So you think that translates into something good next year. Take out the bad bad west who might not be as bad next year like Seattle who is a lot better now than when the Sox played them, and that 48-32 doesn’t look so good. The Red Sox should be a vastly different looking team next year, and could be better, which I’m not so sure that Bloom can put Humpty Dumpty back together again, or they could be even worse, so that 48-32 is pretty much irrelevant into what happens next year.

Edited September 4, 2022 by Old Red

[moonslav59]

The L column is the most important tell when reading standings to me. You can’t make up a loss. I don’t think being in the top half of the league is any kind of accomplishment especially when the Red Sox have a losing record.

 

The loss column is more important, but hell yes you can make that up. True, you have to rely on CLE losing, but they are not a great team.

 

I'm not predicting we pass them, but getting to #7 would be rewarding, in my mind, after the cluster this season was.

[Old Red]

The loss column is more important, but hell yes you can make that up. True, you have to rely on CLE losing, but they are not a great team.

 

I'm not predicting we pass them, but getting to #7 would be rewarding, in my mind, after the cluster this season was.

 

What I meant by L column was the only way you can make up the 5 is if Cleveland were to lose 5, and you won 5. In this case the Red Sox have played 3 more games, but if it was the other way around, and Boston had 3 more games to play, and won all3 they would still be out 5 in the L column. I didn’t mean 5 games couldn’t be made up.

[moonslav59]

What I meant by L column was the only way you can make up the 5 is if Cleveland were to lose 5, and you won 5. In this case the Red Sox have played 3 more games, but if it was the other way around, and Boston had 3 more games to play, and won all3 they would still be out 5 in the L column. I didn’t mean 5 games couldn’t be made up.

 

I know what the loss column means, and I mentioned how the loss column is more important. Your destiny becomes tied to another team's fate, which is not good, but CLE has 3 more games to play than us. I seriously doubt they win all 3. They can, or course, but the odds are, they won't.

[notin]

So you think that translates into something good next year. Take out the bad bad west who might not be as bad next year like Seattle who is a lot better now than when the Sox played them, and that 48-32 doesn’t look so good. The Red Sox should be a vastly different looking team next year, and could be better, which I’m not so sure that Bloom can put Humpty Dumpty back together again, or they could be even worse, so that 48-32 is pretty much irrelevant into what happens next year.

 

Straight up conjecture…

[moonslav59]

So you think that translates into something good next year. Take out the bad bad west who might not be as bad next year like Seattle who is a lot better now than when the Sox played them, and that 48-32 doesn’t look so good. The Red Sox should be a vastly different looking team next year, and could be better, which I’m not so sure that Bloom can put Humpty Dumpty back together again, or they could be even worse, so that 48-32 is pretty much irrelevant into what happens next year.

 

You don't think playing less games vs the AL East is likely a very good thing?

 

Can you elaborate on that?

 

The AL East has 4 teams with 71 or more wins. The AL Central has none, and the Sox are 1-2 wins away from having as many as MN & CLE.

 

The ALW has 2 teams over 58 wins.

 

The NLE has 3 teams over 55 wins.

 

The NLC has 2 over 56.

 

The NLW has 2 teams above 63.

 

The last place Sox would be...

 

-3.5 in the ALC

3rd place in ALW

4th in NLE

3rd in NLC

3rd in NLW

 

and that's before figuring in how many more wins we might have had we not had to play 4 teams with 71+ wins, so many times.

[FredLynn]

You don't think playing less games vs the AL East is likely a very good thing?

 

Can you elaborate on that?

 

The AL East has 4 teams with 71 or more wins. The AL Central has none, and the Sox are 1-2 wins away from having as many as MN & CLE.

 

The ALW has 2 teams over 58 wins.

 

The NLE has 3 teams over 55 wins.

 

The NLC has 2 over 56.

 

The NLW has 2 teams above 63.

 

The last place Sox would be...

 

-3.5 in the ALC

3rd place in ALW

4th in NLE

3rd in NLC

3rd in NLW

 

and that's before figuring in how many more wins we might have had we not had to play 4 teams with 71+ wins, so many times.

 

All the other ALE teams will play fewer games against the ALE too. Their records are also likely to improve as a result. We have to be better than they are, and I don't see that happening for a few years.

[Old Red]

Straight up conjecture…

 

As is lots of things on here.

[moonslav59]

All the other ALE teams will play fewer games against the ALE too. Their records are also likely to improve as a result. We have to be better than they are, and I don't see that happening for a few years.

 

True, but it has to help us to play less vs the ALE. With 3 WC teams, we may just need to pass 1 ALE team, next year to make the playoffs.