Fire Bloom .

[Elktonnick]

Well written, and Bloom has had 3 years to cleanup the so called mess that DD left behind, but what he has done has let a bunch of expiring contracts run out, and unlike the Braves who have their young stars locked up for years to come, but Raffy is still out there twisting in the wind, and getting more expensive everyday.

 

Regarding DD, despite what some may believe, he wss not fired because he over spent or depleted the farm. In both those areas he did exactly what Henry wanted him to do.

 

The reason DD was fired was because he could not align himself with Boston's corporate culture of collegial management. Remember they almost fired him right after the 2018 season as we later learned. Dombrowski was fired because he did not involve his subordinates into his decision making process. And this was anathema to the internal workings of the Red Sox organization.

[vegasbob]

Regarding DD, despite what some may believe, he wss not fired because he over spent or depleted the farm. In both those areas he did exactly what Henry wanted him to do.

 

The reason DD was fired was because he could not align himself with Boston's corporate culture of collegial management. Remember they almost fired him right after the 2018 season as we later learned. Dombrowski was fired because he did not involve his subordinates into his decision making process. And this was anathema to the internal workings of the Red Sox organization.

 

I think organizations run by committees and consensus remain middle of the road and average performers. Now DD may have been too autocratic but given where he was in his career and self opinion, I can believe he didn't ask the janitor what he thought about a trade.

[notin]

I think organizations run by committees and consensus remain middle of the road and average performers. Now DD may have been too autocratic but given where he was in his career and self opinion, I can believe he didn't ask the janitor what he thought about a trade.

 

There is a difference between asking the scouting director or the manager and assuming everyone in the office had a say.

 

Duquette was allegedly notorious for not only not asking, but actually thwarting the plans of his underlings. Manager Jimy Williams pet some reports envisioned a middle infield of Adam Everett and David Eckstein. And as Duquette had other visions, and against Jimy’s wishes, he traded Adam Everett (for Carl Everett no less) and released Eckstein…

[Elktonnick]

I think organizations run by committees and consensus remain middle of the road and average performers. Now DD may have been too autocratic but given where he was in his career and self opinion, I can believe he didn't ask the janitor what he thought about a trade.

I do not anyone would have objected if he hadn't asked the janitor about a trade. It was all the other people he did not consult which pissed off Werner and Henry.

[dgalehouse]

A tale of two Sox' GMs : Dombrowski : Year one : Took over a last place team . Won A.L. East. Year two: Won A.L. East again. Year three: Threepeat in A.L. East . 108 wins. 11-3 in the post season ( vs three really good teams) on the way to a Championship. Generally considered one of the all time great teams. Year four: Neglected the bullpen. Fell to third in A.L. East. Summarily fired. Criticism: Decimated the farm................. Bloom : Year one : Took over third place team. Finished in cellar. 16 games out in abbreviated season. Year two: Tied for second , 8 games out. Won " play in " game and had nice post season run before falling short in ALCS. Year three: As of August 3 , In last place , 17 games out . Still in contention for third wild card. Credit: Rebuilding the aforementioned " decimated " farm. That's it. No opinion. No spin. No excuses. Just the facts.

[Old Red]

A tale of two Sox' GMs : Dombrowski : Year one : Took over a last place team . Won A.L. East. Year two: Won A.L. East again. Year three: Threepeat in A.L. East . 108 wins. 11-3 in the post season ( vs three really good teams) on the way to a Championship. Generally considered one of the all time great teams. Year four: Neglected the bullpen. Fell to third in A.L. East. Summarily fired. Criticism: Decimated the farm................. Bloom : Year one : Took over third place team. Finished in cellar. 16 games out in abbreviated season. Year two: Tied for second , 8 games out. Won " play in " game and had nice post season run before falling short in ALCS. Year three: As of August 3 , In last place , 17 games out . Still in contention for third wild card. Credit: Rebuilding the aforementioned " decimated " farm. That's it. No opinion. No spin. No excuses. Just the facts.

The debate to me is if the Sox are better off today then when Bloom took over 3 years ago, and I don’t believe they are.

[Bellhorn04]

A tale of two Sox' GMs : Dombrowski : Year one : Took over a last place team . Won A.L. East. Year two: Won A.L. East again. Year three: Threepeat in A.L. East . 108 wins. 11-3 in the post season ( vs three really good teams) on the way to a Championship. Generally considered one of the all time great teams. Year four: Neglected the bullpen. Fell to third in A.L. East. Summarily fired. Criticism: Decimated the farm................. Bloom : Year one : Took over third place team. Finished in cellar. 16 games out in abbreviated season. Year two: Tied for second , 8 games out. Won " play in " game and had nice post season run before falling short in ALCS. Year three: As of August 3 , In last place , 17 games out . Still in contention for third wild card. Credit: Rebuilding the aforementioned " decimated " farm. That's it. No opinion. No spin. No excuses. Just the facts.

 

Not spin-free.

[Old Red]

Not spin-free.

 

Example??

[Maxbialystock]

Well written, and Bloom has had 3 years to cleanup the so called mess that DD left behind, but what he has done has let a bunch of expiring contracts run out, and unlike the Braves who have their young stars locked up for years to come, but Raffy is still out there twisting in the wind, and getting more expensive everyday.

 

 

The "mess" is still here because it was/is unfixable. The Sox are paying Price, Sale, and Eovaldi $63M to deliver a combined WAR of +0.9. That $63M is owed money and can't be used to "lock up" Bogey and Devers.

 

On top of that, as I have also repeated ad nauseum, Bogey's likely asking price to stay is $250M and Devers $500. I base those absurd numbers of the fact that 23 year old Juan Soto was insulted by the Nats offer of $440M.

[notin]

The debate to me is if the Sox are better off today then when Bloom took over 3 years ago, and I don’t believe they are.

 

Really?

 

You think the Sox with $77mill tied up in three pitchers who showed up part time was better? They were better when the team payroll forced the trade of Mookie?

 

Again, this is the fallout from 3 years ago. If you liked the 2018-2019 teams, they were a fun party. But just like after any party, someone has to wash the dishes, clean the whiskey and dessert toppings out of the fish tank, and remove the X-rated murals from the ceiling that your disdusting yet artistic friend decided to tribute to Michaelangelo. That’s been Bloom’s job so far…

[notin]

The "mess" is still here because it was/is unfixable. The Sox are paying Price, Sale, and Eovaldi $63M to deliver a combined WAR of +0.9. That $63M is owed money and can't be used to "lock up" Bogey and Devers.

 

On top of that, as I have also repeated ad nauseum, Bogey's likely asking price to stay is $250M and Devers $500. I base those absurd numbers of the fact that 23 year old Juan Soto was insulted by the Nats offer of $440M.

 

I’m willing to bet Bogaerts is closer to $150/6 and Devers is closer to $250/8. Soto was a 15 year offer, a rarity these days that Bogaerts and Devers shouldn’t expect…

[notin]

A tale of two Sox' GMs : Dombrowski : Year one : Took over a last place team . Won A.L. East. Year two: Won A.L. East again. Year three: Threepeat in A.L. East . 108 wins. 11-3 in the post season ( vs three really good teams) on the way to a Championship. Generally considered one of the all time great teams. Year four: Neglected the bullpen. Fell to third in A.L. East. Summarily fired. Criticism: Decimated the farm................. Bloom : Year one : Took over third place team. Finished in cellar. 16 games out in abbreviated season. Year two: Tied for second , 8 games out. Won " play in " game and had nice post season run before falling short in ALCS. Year three: As of August 3 , In last place , 17 games out . Still in contention for third wild card. Credit: Rebuilding the aforementioned " decimated " farm. That's it. No opinion. No spin. No excuses. Just the facts.

 

That’s not the full criticism of Dombrowski. He also ran up the payroll with a lot of expensive and unfavorably long contracts that are still impacting this team…

[Old Red]

The "mess" is still here because it was/is unfixable. The Sox are paying Price, Sale, and Eovaldi $63M to deliver a combined WAR of +0.9. That $63M is owed money and can't be used to "lock up" Bogey and Devers.

 

On top of that, as I have also repeated ad nauseum, Bogey's likely asking price to stay is $250M and Devers $500. I base those absurd numbers of

the fact that 23 year old Juan Soto was insulted by the Nats offer of $440M.

 

Does Price, and Sales contracts have anything to do with unloading some of the expiring contracts before this year instead of just letting them run out? Bloom has had 3 years to work on that. I repeat 3 years to plan, and do something. So if the plan is to not lock up Bogey, and Raffy then Raffy should have been gone already, and gotten the most back you can. With Bogey it is to late, but same thing should have happened to him too, before his no trade kicked in.

[Elktonnick]

That’s not the full criticism of Dombrowski. He also ran up the payroll with a lot of expensive and unfavorably long contracts that are still impacting this team…

 

That may be true but the fact is that is not why Henry fired him. Henry fired him over internal personality issues not over the teams won loss record, state of the farm, or payroll.

[Old Red]

Really?

 

You think the Sox with $77mill tied up in three pitchers who showed up part time was better? They were better when the team payroll forced the trade of Mookie?

 

Again, this is the fallout from 3 years ago. If you liked the 2018-2019 teams, they were a fun party. But just like after any party, someone has to wash the dishes, clean the whiskey and dessert toppings out of the fish tank, and remove the X-rated murals from the ceiling that your disdusting yet artistic friend decided to tribute to Michaelangelo. That’s been Bloom’s job so far…

 

Sale an injured pitcher at the time was a bad, bad signing no doubt about that. The team payroll I don’t believe was the reason Mookie was signed, but that JH did not want to pay out that big a contract, and that will be the same reason too if Raffy is not resigned. I’m not saying there is no fallout, but Bloom has had 3 years to work on all the expiring contracts, and only got rid of 1 in Vaz. What has stopped him from getting rid of more, before now?

[Bellhorn04]

That may be true but the fact is that is not why Henry fired him. Henry fired him over internal personality issues not over the teams won loss record, state of the farm, or payroll.

 

A fact verified by who?

[harmony]

The mariners certainly looked like they could use more pitching after that beatdown tonight......

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Gerrit Cole surrendered six runs on three home runs in the first inning alone as the Seattle Mariners take the series at Yankee Stadium without All Stars Julio Rodriguez and Ty France (missing Mitch Haniger as well).

[dgalehouse]

I did criticize Dombrowski for neglecting the bullpen. As far as the contracts , that's how it goes. Sale and Eovaldi were our best pitchers. Injuries happen. It's easy to second guess contracts. Price was traded , along with our best player , for a mediocre return. Strictly a money saving move. You can't complain about getting nothing from Price as he is no longer here . I gave no criticism at all.of Bloom. Not even for trading a future Hall of Famer. I think it was a simple comparison of the two GMs.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

No closer? I'd say Houck, Whitlock and Schreiber have all shown they can close games.

 

Houck scares me and he should scare you too. He is not an established closer and the other 2 have not been in that role enough for us to say they can close out a 1 run game with any certainty.

[JDavis76]

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Gerrit Cole surrendered six runs on three home runs in the first inning alone as the Seattle Mariners take the series at Yankee Stadium without All Stars Julio Rodriguez and Ty France (missing Mitch Haniger as well).

 

Touche

[vjcsmoke]

Trade Deadline Grades:

Yankees A

Orioles A-

Blue Jays B-

Rays C+

Red Sox D

 

Article: https://theathletic.com/3471426/2022/08/03/mlb-trade-deadline-grades/

 

Need I say more?

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

One thing VAZ brought to light after he was traded; nice guys don't always finish last.

[JDavis76]

Trade Deadline Grades:

Yankees A

Orioles A-

Blue Jays B-

Rays C+

Red Sox D

 

Article: https://theathletic.com/3471426/2022/08/03/mlb-trade-deadline-grades/

 

Need I say more?

 

But many sox fans in here like the D.....

[Bellhorn04]

Trade Deadline Grades:

Yankees A

Orioles A-

Blue Jays B-

Rays C+

Red Sox D

 

Article: https://theathletic.com/3471426/2022/08/03/mlb-trade-deadline-grades/

 

Need I say more?

 

I'll say something: the Yankees A Grade didn't seem to help them much against the Mariners the last 2 games.

 

Also, Andrew Benintendi has 1 hit, a single, in his first 29 PA's with the Yanks.

[vjcsmoke]

One thing VAZ brought to light after he was traded; nice guys don't always finish last.

 

Vazquez got traded from a bad team with a bad GM to a good team with a good GM? Agreed. Astros are in 1st place in the AL West and have been tops or near the tops in that division for years.

 

Bloom gets FLEECED yet again!

[JDavis76]

I'll say something: the Yankees A Grade didn't seem to help them much against the Mariners the last 2 games.

 

Also, Andrew Benintendi has 1 hit, a single, in his first 29 PA's with the Yanks.

 

As your buddy moon drills into you all the time, it's a small sample size.

[Bellhorn04]

As your buddy moon drills into you all the time, it's a small sample size.

 

Small bad samples have been known to turn to big ones. Just ask Gallo.

[Old Red]

I'll say something: the Yankees A Grade didn't seem to help them much against the Mariners the last 2 games.

 

Also, Andrew Benintendi has 1 hit, a single, in his first 29 PA's with the Yanks.

 

As some would say a small sample size.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Vazquez got traded from a bad team with a bad GM to a good team with a good GM? Agreed. Astros are in 1st place in the AL West and have been tops or near the tops in that division for years.

 

Bloom gets FLEECED yet again!

 

VAZ also proved today that a catcher's CERA is in direct proportion to the quality of the pitching.

[JDavis76]

Small bad samples have been known to turn to big ones. Just ask Gallo.

 

Could happen, but I would think Beni's time in beantowne has him better prepared to handle pressure baseball.