2022 Bullpen Thread

[Kimmi]

We have too many ML bubble RPers to fill the 8 slots for the pen. At some point, Bloom will have to go with quality over the desire to keep as much quantity as possible. The returning IL pitchers will force his hand, and the return of Barnes might be the one that forces Bloom’s hand.

 

I think Diekman goes. Unless someone else gets hurt we can’t have 3 of the 8 slots filled with Barnes, Davis and Diekman- all with no options. We already have Sawamura for low leverage situations.

 

Possibly. As they always say, these things have a way of working themselves out.

[redsoxrules]

The Sox do not win last night if Whitlock wasn't in the pen. He needs to stay there for the remainder of the season.

[moonslav59]

The Sox do not win last night if Whitlock wasn't in the pen…

 

What if he started and didn’t let up the 3 run jack?

[moonslav59]

Last night, Houck got the blown save and the win.

 

Brasier got his first save of the season.

[Larry Cook]

Last night, Houck got the blown save and the win.

 

Brasier got his first save of the season.

 

For houck, the run that caused the blown save was after he bugles the throw!

 

For putting in brazier in the bottom of the 11th, as I said in the other thread, Cora should be drug tested positive immediately!!!!!

[moonslav59]

For houck, the run that caused the blown save was after he bugles the throw!

 

For putting in brazier in the bottom of the 11th, as I said in the other thread, Cora should be drug tested positive immediately!!!!!

 

Would you rather have used Diekman?

Edited July 17, 2022 by moonslav59

[illinoisredsox]

For houck, the run that caused the blown save was after he bugles the throw!

 

For putting in brazier in the bottom of the 11th, as I said in the other thread, Cora should be drug tested positive immediately!!!!!

 

Still waiting for you to say what you would have done. Who you would have used?

 

Cmon Larry, show us all how good a manager you are.

[Larry Cook]

Still waiting for you to say what you would have done. Who you would have used?

 

Cmon Larry, show us all how good a manager you are.

 

The point is moot, we won the game and brazier exceeded my expectations.

 

However, if I had been manager, I would have gone with anybody other than brazier.

[notin]

The point is moot, we won the game and brazier exceeded my expectations.

 

However, if I had been manager, I would have gone with anybody other than brazier.

 

Diekman?

[moonslav59]

Diekman?

 

I asked that, already.

 

It's "moot."

[Larry Cook]

Anybody concerned that Duran is starting to slump a bit?

[notin]

Anybody concerned that Duran is starting to slump a bit?

 

Not really.

 

We’re still missing 3 starting pitchers, the starting CF, and the starting SS, and Jake Diekman is making me miss Matt Barnes. Duran is slumping? Oh no!!

 

 

Let him learn to hit his way out of it. No need to worry about the small fires…

[Larry Cook]

Not really.

 

We’re still missing 3 starting pitchers, the starting CF, and the starting SS, and Jake Diekman is making me miss Matt Barnes. Duran is slumping? Oh no!!

 

 

Let him learn to hit his way out of it. No need to worry about the small fires…

 

Why does Duran get a chance to hit his way out and dalbec does not with some posters here?

[notin]

Why does Duran get a chance to hit his way out and dalbec does not with some posters here?

 

First of all, we don’t have any other OF. But also, Dalbec is getting one, too. And he is taking some advantage. But mostly against LHP.

 

I think it’s time to abandon the 1b platoon. Cordero is easily the worst defensive 1b in MLB and is no longer hitting enough to cover it. Dalbec isn’t Mattingly out there, but he is miles closer than Cordero…

[moonslav59]

If we end up selling, Dalbec, Cordero and Duran, along with a Refsnyder, Downs, Wong and maybe others should get plenty of playing time to make a mark on our winter plans.

[Nick]

If we end up selling, Dalbec, Cordero and Duran, along with a Refsnyder, Downs, Wong and maybe others should get plenty of playing time to make a mark on our winter plans.

 

Yep, I would add Bello to that....let him pitch his way out of it.

[moonslav59]

Yep, I would add Bello to that....let him pitch his way out of it.

 

...and Wink, Crawford, and maybe German, too.

[Nick]

...and Wink, Crawford, and maybe German, too.

 

Yes to all....

[moonslav59]

Yes to all....

 

I posted this on another thread...

 

For argument's sake, let's say we are full sellers at the deadline. I'm not saying we will be out of it. I'm not throwing in the towel. I'm just exploring the hypothetical:

 

Trade:

Bogey

Eovaldi

Wacha

JD

Kike

Vaz

Hill

Strahm

Plawecki

 

Not counting who we get in return who might be ML ready, this could be the 26 man roster after the 9 free agent-so-be are traded and Diekman & JBJ are DFA'd.

 

SP: Pivetta, Sale, Winckowski, Crawford, Bello

RP: Houck, Whitlock, Schreiber, Sawamura, Brasier, Davis, Mata, German

C: Wong, RHernandez

1B: Dalbec (Casas?)

2B: Story

SS: Downs, Arroyo

3B: Devers

LF: Verdugo

CF: Duran

RF: Refsnyder

DH: Cordero

 

14 others on the 40 (not counting trade additions):

P: Seabold, Danish, Ort, Groome, DHern, Ort, Valdez (Maybe add German & Murphy)

OF: Stewart, Sanchez, Fitzy, J Davis (Maybe Grullon or Cottam)

[jacksonianmarch]

If you go full on sellers, you deal Devers too

[moonslav59]

If you go full on sellers, you deal Devers too

 

Possible, but we could unload only rental players and build a competitive teams for 2023. The spending budget might near $110M. That’s a lot of talent.

[Bellhorn04]

If you go full on sellers, you deal Devers too

 

There is definitely no need for that.

[notin]

Even without Sale, the Sox only got Whitlock and Eovaldi back in the past week and still have Wacha, Hill and Paxton due back (probably in that order).

 

No point in selling anything…

[Bellhorn04]

Even without Sale, the Sox only got Whitlock and Eovaldi back in the past week and still have Wacha, Hill and Paxton due back (probably in that order).

 

No point in selling anything…

 

Might as well stick with the puncher's chance, huh? That was basically all we had last year and it nearly worked.

[mvp 78]

Not really.

 

We’re still missing 3 starting pitchers, the starting CF, and the starting SS, and Jake Diekman is making me miss Matt Barnes. Duran is slumping? Oh no!!

 

 

Let him learn to hit his way out of it. No need to worry about the small fires…

 

100%

[mvp 78]

Why does Duran get a chance to hit his way out and dalbec does not with some posters here?

 

Dalbec has struggled off and on for almost 2 years now. We know what he is. Durran has far less time in MLB. He needs more experience before we paint him in broad strokes.

[mvp 78]

First of all, we don’t have any other OF. But also, Dalbec is getting one, too. And he is taking some advantage. But mostly against LHP.

 

I think it’s time to abandon the 1b platoon. Cordero is easily the worst defensive 1b in MLB and is no longer hitting enough to cover it. Dalbec isn’t Mattingly out there, but he is miles closer than Cordero…

 

Yup, if Cordero isn't hitting, there's no point in having him platoon 1B.

[notin]

Dalbec has struggled off and on for almost 2 years now. We know what he is. Durran has far less time in MLB. He needs more experience before we paint him in broad strokes.

 

Dalbec is the ultimate in highs and lows even more so than his similarly named predecessor Brian Daubach. When he is on, he is unstoppable. When he is not, he is extremely capable of stopping himself before anyone else even gets the chance.

 

The end result is surprisingly a league average hitter with a career OPS+ of 101…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Even without Sale, the Sox only got Whitlock and Eovaldi back in the past week and still have Wacha, Hill and Paxton due back (probably in that order).

 

No point in selling anything…

 

If Whitlock, Eovaldi and especially Wacha and Hill come back to provide the same consistency that put the Sox ahead of the wild card contenders, then there is no reason to sell. They were good enough without Sale and Paxton all year.

 

But Bloom would then have to buy, because there are holes that can be upgraded to give the club a better chance to make the postseason and even advance, like last year. Adding an actual big league outfielder and first baseman, and swinging a blockbuster for a Luis Castillo are all within reach, if the Sox really wanted them.

 

The issue is that too many Red Sox free agents are not going to be re-signed, and Bloom can't just let them all walk without fetching a farmhand or two.

[notin]

If Whitlock, Eovaldi and especially Wacha and Hill come back to provide the same consistency that put the Sox ahead of the wild card contenders, then there is no reason to sell. They were good enough without Sale and Paxton all year.

 

But Bloom would then have to buy, because there are holes that can be upgraded to give the club a better chance to make the postseason and even advance, like last year. Adding an actual big league outfielder and first baseman, and swinging a blockbuster for a Luis Castillo are all within reach, if the Sox really wanted them.

 

The issue is that too many Red Sox free agents are not going to be re-signed, and Bloom can't just let them all walk without fetching a farmhand or two.

 

Every team loses a bunch of free agents every year, and contenders almost never replenish for the following season at the deadline. I think the Sox go one way or another.

 

That said, if the Sox can pawn off Diekman for an underrated AAA outfielder even capable of being a weak side platoon, I’m all for it…