2022 Starting Rotation Thread

[Nick]

It's all about valuing JBJ as worth $4M, next year.

 

If they thought he was worth $12M, this year, I'm not so sure it's a no-brainer for them.

 

Jackie Bradley Jr. has started 18 of the 23 games in right field. He went 0-for-4 Sunday to drop his batting average to .147. He has a .227 on-base percentage and .206 slugging percentage.

 

The Red Sox right field position has posted a .445 OPS, which ranks 29th in the majors.

 

Dalbec has garnered much of attention I know, but geez, catching fly balls in outfield is not enough, is it?

 

Right now he's costing us $12M because of his option, but if we pick up his option, that money rolls into 2023 for luxury tax purposes. That's where I'm going.

Edited May 2, 2022 by Nick

[mvp 78]

It would be pretty brutal if they don't keep any of the big 4-Bogey, Devers, JDM and Eovaldi.

 

Bloom might be fine with it, but Henry and Werner have always had a bit of an eye on the PR part of the equation.

 

They'll let those 4 guys go and replace them with lesser versions for PR.

[Bellhorn04]

I like jacko, too, and I enjoy reading his posts.

 

I think he's riding high on small sample sizes, right now.

 

When the Yanks are on a roll, his testicles grow with every passing day.

[mvp 78]

Jackie Bradley Jr. has started 18 of the 23 games in right field. He went 0-for-4 Sunday to drop his batting average to .147. He has a .227 on-base percentage and .206 slugging percentage.

 

The Red Sox right field position has posted a .445 OPS, which ranks 29th in the majors.

 

Dalbec has garnered much of attention I know but gee, catching fly balls in not enough.

 

We expected JBJ to struggle, but field the position well. Dalbec was supposed to hit a little and earn a future DH spot. I think that's why people have focused on Dalbec.

[Bellhorn04]

They'll let those 4 guys go and replace them with lesser versions for PR.

 

Ouch.

[mvp 78]

When the Yanks are on a roll, his testicles grow with every passing day.

 

Yes they do. But his testicles need to be front runners. They don't have the talent to make enormous runs. They can't afford any deficit by May 1.

[mvp 78]

Ouch.

 

My real worry is that Bloom struggles this year and next and then ownership fires him and replaces him with DD part 2. It's been a rollercoaster since 2011.

[moonslav59]

Jackie Bradley Jr. has started 18 of the 23 games in right field. He went 0-for-4 Sunday to drop his batting average to .147. He has a .227 on-base percentage and .206 slugging percentage.

 

The Red Sox right field position has posted a .445 OPS, which ranks 29th in the majors.

 

Dalbec has garnered much of attention I know, but geez, catching fly balls in outfield is not enough, is it?

 

Right now he's costing us $12M because of his option, but if we pick up his option, that money rolls into 2023 for luxury tax purposes. That's where I'm going.

 

I'm pretty sure the $8M option buy out counted towards the first 2 years of his deal, and only $4M will count on the lux tax for 2023.

 

They don't double count that $8M buy out.

[moonslav59]

My real worry is that Bloom struggles this year and next and then ownership fires him and replaces him with DD part 2. It's been a rollercoaster since 2011.

 

I think Henry sticks with Bloom for longer than he did with Ben.

 

Depending on how much he allows him to spend this coming winter, I think he'll have to the end of 2023, at the earliest.

 

I guess, if he spends like a maniac, this winter, then they tank in 2023, he might be gone mid season, but I doubt it.

[moonslav59]

When the Yanks are on a roll, his testicles grow with every passing day.

 

Yes, but they also shrivel up like "frightened turtles" when things go badly.

[mvp 78]

I think Henry sticks with Bloom for longer than he did with Ben.

 

Depending on how much he allows him to spend this coming winter, I think he'll have to the end of 2023, at the earliest.

 

I guess, if he spends like a maniac, this winter, then they tank in 2023, he might be gone mid season, but I doubt it.

 

I agree that he'll be here until the end of 2023, which is what I originally said. This season feels like an echo of 2014.

[moonslav59]

I agree that he'll be here until the end of 2023, which is what I originally said. This season feels like an echo of 2014.

 

Indeed.

 

I had thought Henry had given Ben a 5 year window, but he pulled the plus before the time was up. He may repeat this impatience with Bloom, too, but I get the feeling Henry is on board with a longer rebuild time frame.

 

If 2021 had not happened, it might have been easier for Bloom to totally remake the Sox. Doing very poorly, this season, may give him the opening to do just that.

[notin]

I think Henry sticks with Bloom for longer than he did with Ben.

 

Depending on how much he allows him to spend this coming winter, I think he'll have to the end of 2023, at the earliest.

 

I guess, if he spends like a maniac, this winter, then they tank in 2023, he might be gone mid season, but I doubt it.

 

The big difference between Bloom and Ben was Henry didn’t fire Epstein to hire Ben. Epstein asked to be released from his deal and created an unanticipated vacancy…

[moonslav59]

The big difference between Bloom and Ben was Henry didn’t fire Epstein to hire Ben. Epstein asked to be released from his deal and created an unanticipated vacancy…

 

True, but I still think Henry started out by giving Ben a wide window to rebuild, but the 3 last place finishes were just too much for him to accept.

[Kimmi]

Actually, I will sleep better if the sox deal away prospects to sure up a team that stinks. I respect Bloom's abilities and I am pretty sure he realized he got lucky last year. If he really thought this sox team was capable of a title, he wouldnt have plugged holes with chewing gum and duct tape

 

He will rebuild the sox into a very good team in 2 years, IMO. Now that the bloom is off the rose and this team seems to have shown its true colors, you will see a selloff like no other

 

The team is showing its true colors based off of 3 weeks? Even you know this offense isn't nearly as bad as it's been playing.

[moonslav59]

The team is showing its true colors based off of 3 weeks? Even you know this offense isn't nearly as bad as it's been playing.

 

The guy was praising Bloom 3 weeks ago.

 

These short sample size, knee-jerk judgments never seem to stop, despite being burned over and over by them.

 

Sure, a few times it comes out to be an actual precursor to the season as a whole, but often enough, small sample sizes do not accurately reflect a team's true skill levels.

[Kimmi]

The assumption, incorrect IMO, is that because the Sox are 'already' 8 games back after 3 weeks that this trend of losing ground will continue, and that by the end of June we'll be 20 games back.

 

I see it the other way. Yes, we're already 8 games back at the end of April, but that just leaves us 5 full months to make up that ground. We don't have to make up 8 games in 3 weeks. Things will look a lot better by the end of June.

[Kimmi]

The guy was praising Bloom 3 weeks ago.

 

These short sample size, knee-jerk judgments never seem to stop, despite being burned over and over by them.

 

Sure, a few times it comes out to be an actual precursor to the season as a whole, but often enough, small sample sizes do not accurately reflect a team's true skill levels.

 

Jacko tends to get carried away any time the Yankees are playing well and the Sox aren't.

 

You're never as bad as you look when things are going bad. And I'm pretty sure the Yankees won't continue to play .739 ball.

[Larry Cook]

Jacko tends to get carried away any time the Yankees are playing well and the Sox aren't.

 

You're never as bad as you look when things are going bad. And I'm pretty sure the Yankees won't continue to play .739 ball.

 

We have to control the things we can control, in this case string together the wins!

 

Everybody picks each other up and we rely on pitching, defense and timely hitting.

[moonslav59]

MLB Leaders in ERA

 

0.64 Logan Gilbert

1.17 Michael Kopech

1.17 Carlos Rodon

1.27 Merrill Kelly

1.38 Michael Wacha

 

23. Eovaldi 2.51

 

[notin]

MLB Leaders in ERA

 

0.64 Logan Gilbert

1.17 Michael Kopech

1.17 Carlos Rodon

1.27 Merrill Kelly

1.38 Michael Wacha

 

23. Eovaldi 2.51

 

 

I think no one was excited when the Sox signed Wacha, but he has been pitching like an All Star...

[Nick]

MLB Leaders in ERA

 

0.64 Logan Gilbert

1.17 Michael Kopech

1.17 Carlos Rodon

1.27 Merrill Kelly

1.38 Michael Wacha

 

23. Eovaldi 2.51

 

 

Kopech was the only player I regret Sox had to relinquish to acquire Sale. Worth the title in 2018. Sale was a great get at the time. It's his extension that's in doubt.

[moonslav59]

I think no one was excited when the Sox signed Wacha, but he has been pitching like an All Star...

 

Any reason why he seems to be on a very limited pitch count?

[moonslav59]

Kopech was the only player I regret Sox had to relinquish to acquire Sale. Worth the title in 2018. Sale was a great get at the time. It's his extension that's in doubt.

 

Moncada has not been too shabby since turning 24.

 

.279 BA

.363 OBP

,464 SLG

.827 OPS

63 XBHs per 162 gms

[Bellhorn04]

Any reason why he seems to be on a very limited pitch count?

 

Yes, Modern Baseball Game Planning.

[jacksonianmarch]

His third time through numbers must be horrific

[moonslav59]

His third time through numbers must be horrific

 

How would we know?

 

This is not the same Wacha from pre-September 2021.

 

Also, even when he sucked, his numbers were not that bad...

 

.682 first time

.742 second time

.759 3rd time

.582 4th time

 

(if you add 3rd & 4th time together, it's better than the second time.)

 

Time to take the kid gloves off, especially since the pen is now reduced by 2 pitchers. Same goes with some other starters not named Houck.

 

[moonslav59]

Yes, Modern Baseball Game Planning.

 

This goes beyond that. He was at 60 pitches, last night. Hell, they gave Whitlock 61 his last start.

[Bellhorn04]

His third time through numbers must be horrific

 

You have to look at the specifics of the game, too.

 

Sox ahead 2-0. Wacha is left in to face Ward and Trout for the third time each. Trout gets on and Ohtani is up with a chance to tie the game. Cora goes to the lefty.

[Bellhorn04]

This goes beyond that. He was at 60 pitches, last night. Hell, they gave Whitlock 61 his last start.

 

Pitch counts aren't necessarily the big factor.