2022 Starting Rotation Thread

[mvp 78]

Wander Franco's AAV is 16.5 million, and he's more than 2 years younger.

 

I think you're oversimplifying a bit. A total contract of 300 million plus is a huge offer no matter what the AAV.

 

Soto at 22 had 17.7 fWAR. Through age 22, Betts had 6.6 fWAR. Easier to compare that than say Wander Franco who signed his extension after only 70 games.

[mvp 78]

When ANYONE turns down $300M+ to me is just a bad look no matter how much per yr it is.

 

Not if you're one of the top 3 players in the game. Why take less?

[Old Red]

Not if you're one of the top 3 players in the game. Why take less?

 

To me it’s just greedy, but the bad thing is someone will be stupid enough to pay more. How many $300M+ contracts have won any championships?

[mvp 78]

To me it’s just greedy, but the bad thing is someone will be stupid enough to pay more. How many $300M+ contracts have won any championships?

 

If Corey Seager is getting 10/325, Soto is deserving of more than that. Clearly he'll get PAID if he waits until FA. Why sign on with a team that just dumped everything not nailed down aside from himself?

[Bellhorn04]

If Corey Seager is getting 10/325, Soto is deserving of more than that. Clearly he'll get PAID if he waits until FA. Why sign on with a team that just dumped everything not nailed down aside from himself?

 

The only real counterargument is that Soto is not a free agent until 2025, and until then the big payday is at risk.

 

Fair point about not wanting to commit to the Nats, though.

[Old Red]

If Corey Seager is getting 10/325, Soto is deserving of more than that. Clearly he'll get PAID if he waits until FA. Why sign on with a team that just dumped everything not nailed down aside from himself?

 

Just because some owner is crazy enough to pay a crazy price for someone doesn’t mean that another owner should pay even more if someone is better, or not.

[Bellhorn04]

Just because some owner is crazy enough to pay a crazy price for someone doesn’t mean that another owner should pay even more if someone is better, or not.

 

The fact is there are multiple crazy owners.

 

I think that's what John Henry doesn't want to be, one of the crazy guys.

[Old Red]

The fact is there are multiple crazy owners.

 

I think that's what John Henry doesn't want to be, one of the crazy guys.

 

I’ll agree with that.

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

I don't believe there is such a thing as a player being "greedy". They have every right to max out their earning in their short window. I also don't believe $300 million contracts are a result of "crazy owners". It's more like this is now the market, it's been set. If an owner can afford a contract like that just how much money are they making? And are they too "greedy" by making all this money? No it's business, not greed, and they should never be confused.

[Bellhorn04]

I don't believe there is such a thing as a player being "greedy". They have every right to max out their earning in their short window. I also don't believe $300 million contracts are a result of "crazy owners". It's more like this is now the market' date=' it's been set. If an owner can afford a contract like that just how much money are they making? And are they too "greedy" by making all this money? No it's business, not greed, and they should never be confused.[/quote']

 

If you don't like the word "crazy", would you settle for contracts like the $240 million/10 year deal given to 32-year old Albert Pujols by the Angels being called "ill-advised"?

[mvp 78]

Just because some owner is crazy enough to pay a crazy price for someone doesn’t mean that another owner should pay even more if someone is better, or not.

 

It sets the market rate.

[mvp 78]

The fact is there are multiple crazy owners.

 

I think that's what John Henry doesn't want to be, one of the crazy guys.

 

I think he should be a little crazy.

[mvp 78]

If you don't like the word "crazy", would you settle for contracts like the $240 million/10 year deal given to 32-year old Albert Pujols by the Angels being called "ill-advised"?

 

It's probably not a good idea to have the majority of the contract come after age 36.

[Old Red]

I think he should be a little crazy.

 

I think his crazy days are gone for the Red Sox. He’s got to many other adventures going out there. I said at the time of the Story signing that he will make the team better this year, but if he was signed at the expense of Bogey, and Raffy resigning then I don’t like it at all.

[Old Red]

It's probably not a good idea to have the majority of the contract come after age 36.

 

I even think the Mookie deal for the Dodgers will not turn out as good as it is intended to be.

[Bellhorn04]

I think he should be a little crazy.

 

Of course. Crazy is fun, until the contract goes sour, which many of our big-dollar ones have done rather quickly. Then nobody seems to see the fun in it.

[mvp 78]

I even think the Mookie deal for the Dodgers will not turn out as good as it is intended to be.

 

I think this team would be better if Mookie was in RF and Story was elsewhere.

[mvp 78]

Of course. Crazy is fun, until the contract goes sour, which many of our big-dollar ones have done rather quickly. Then nobody seems to see the fun in it.

 

I said a little crazy. Just sign one of the guys long term so that we can root for him for his entire career.

[Old Red]

I think this team would be better if Mookie was in RF and Story was elsewhere.

 

Yes I agree, but not for the contract that the Dodgers gave Mookie.

[mvp 78]

Yes I agree, but not for the contract that the Dodgers gave Mookie.

 

Considering what Seager got, that's a below market deal now.

[Bellhorn04]

I think this team would be better if Mookie was in RF and Story was elsewhere.

 

Me too. But Mookie's AAV is 7 million higher and his contract runs 5 years longer.

[Bellhorn04]

Considering what Seager got, that's a below market deal now.

 

Seager's contract is ridiculous. They obviously had to pay a major premium to get him to play for a lousy team.

[Old Red]

Considering what Seager got, that's a below market deal now.

 

Below market, or not that is still way to much money, and way to long a time, which I’m glad the Red Sox won’t be responsible for.

[mvp 78]

Me too. But Mookie's AAV is 7 million higher and his contract runs 5 years longer.

 

So get one less Wacha each offseason?

[notin]

So get one less Wacha each offseason?

 

I think it’s the last 5 years - the ones where the difference jumps from $7mill to $30mill - that might be the bigger issue than the first six years…

[Bellhorn04]

So get one less Wacha each offseason?

 

It's possible that Story + Wacha yield as much value as Mookie this year. We shall see!

 

Then there's the 5 additional years at 30.5 AAV part.

[Kimmi]

Oh no one thinks it was a good offer; to me that doesn’t matter as long as it’s not the final offer.

 

If it was a final offer, then it is abundantly clear they do not envision Bogaerts as a significant part of the future of this team. Maybe they feel the same way about Devers. Maybe not. But I do think these players are being evaluated independent of each other…

 

It probably wasn't a final offer. But being that it was given so close to the start of the season, and Bogaerts clearly indicated that he would not negotiate during the season, it might as well have been a final offer. Either way, I think it was a non-starter.

[moonslav59]

It probably wasn't a final offer. But being that it was given so close to the start of the season, and Bogaerts clearly indicated that he would not negotiate during the season, it might as well have been a final offer. Either way, I think it was a non-starter.

 

If the reports are true, it was a hard slap to his face.

 

Maybe even hard enough for him to more readily waive his no trade contract at the deadline.

 

(Could that have been the motivation?)

[Kimmi]

I get what you are saying, but I personally think the fans have a right to know what’s going on. It came out that Soto turned down a 13 yr 300M+ contract.

 

I would love to know what's actually going on behind the scenes. I'm not sure that we have the right to know, but it would definitely be nice to know.

 

Maybe they should just disclose this information to Talksox posters. If anyone has the right to know, it's us. LOL

[Kimmi]

When ANYONE turns down $300M+ to me is just a bad look no matter how much per yr it is.

 

^^ This.

 

Please, someone offer me $300M. Heck, I'm not greedy. I'll take $20M. LOL