Will there be a 2022 season?

[dgalehouse]

It's their livelihood. I consider them workers just as much as I am. The money doesn't just get handed to them. They have to make it to the top.

 

Even the fringe players are making a lot more than the average working stiff.

[Bellhorn04]

There is nothing wrong with players trying to get as much money as they can just like anyone else, and I never said there was, but if they don’t like what they get then you either play, or don’t. I think the players need the owners more than the other way around. The owners already have businesses.

 

So what if the owners have other businesses? They need the players to conduct their baseball business.

[Bellhorn04]

Even the fringe players are making a lot more than the average working stiff.

 

Only if they make it to the majors and stay there.

[jad]

The problem is that some people are doing just that.

 

Some people SAY they are doing that; but do not. It's more or less like the hysterical flag-waving far-righters who claimed they would never watch another NFL game after Kaepernick.

[dgalehouse]

Why shouldn’t players try to make as much money as possible? It’s what a hell of a lot of people try to do.

 

With so many careers just an injury or DFA away, grab what you can, while it lasts.

 

True, some players are spoiled, as are many owners, but spoiled rotten people are everywhere.

You have to admit , it is kind of comical to use sums like 500,000 dollars and " minimum wage " in the same sentence.

[Old Red]

So what if the owners have other businesses? They need the players to conduct their baseball business.

 

Of course the owners need the players to conduct their baseball business, but they have other business to fall back on, where the players don’t.

[dgalehouse]

Some people SAY they are doing that; but do not. It's more or less like the hysterical flag-waving far-righters who claimed they would never watch another NFL game after Kaepernick.

 

I don't know what their political views are , but I do see a lot of empty seats in many ballparks.

Edited February 21, 2022 by dgalehouse

[Bellhorn04]

Of course the owners need the players to conduct their baseball business, but they have other business to fall back on, where the players don’t.

 

That's beside the point. The owners certainly don't want the game of baseball and the multi-billion dollar value of their franchises to be ruined.

[dgalehouse]

Why shouldn’t players try to make as much money as possible? It’s what a hell of a lot of people try to do.

 

With so many careers just an injury or DFA away, grab what you can, while it lasts.

 

True, some players are spoiled, as are many owners, but spoiled rotten people are everywhere.

You have to admit , it is kind of comical to use sums like 500,000 dollars and " minimum wage " in the same sentence.

[Bellhorn04]

You have to admit , it is kind of comical to use sums like 500,000 dollars and " minimum wage " in the same sentence.

 

Most people are used to hearing about the huge amounts of money pro athletes make.

[mvp 78]

Update:

 

MLB and MLBPA have met for over 3 hours today.

[Old Red]

Most people are used to hearing about the huge amounts of money pro athletes make.

 

Yes, but that doesn’t mean anyone has to like it. I could care less how much the owners, or players make in the long run, but I do care when ticket prices keep going up, and up, and up. Where do the Red Sox rank in ticket prices?

Edited February 21, 2022 by Old Red

[Old Red]

That's beside the point. The owners certainly don't want the game of baseball and the multi-billion dollar value of their franchises to be ruined.

 

Nobody said the did, but the point being that owners could survive without baseball, but could the players?

[jad]

At least the players actually work for their money. (I don't regard bribing politicians, screwing over your employees, and hiring accountants to cheat on one's taxes 'work'.) Edited February 21, 2022 by jad

[mvp 78]

Yes, but that doesn’t mean anyone has to like it. I could care less how much the owners, or players make in the long run, but I do care when ticket prices keep going up, and up, and up. Where do the Red Sox rank in ticket prices?

 

Why do you care about ticket prices? You haven't gone in 20 years.

 

Average ticket price was $39 and that was too much for you. It's not getting back there unless the game craters.

[jad]

How many times do fans have to be reminded that ticket prices have nothing to do with player salaries, but only with the bean-counters' calculus of what will bring in the highest gate?

[mvp 78]

At least the players actually work for their money. (I don't regard bribing politicians, screwing over your employees, and hiring accountants to cheat on one's taxes 'work'.)

 

You say "cheating" but I say "uncertain tax position."

[Old Red]

Why do you care about ticket prices? You haven't gone in 20 years.

 

Average ticket price was $39 and that was too much for you. It's not getting back there unless the game craters.

 

Billionaires, and millionaires involved in a game. It’s the principle of the thing that ticket prices keep rising. Me not having gone to Fenway in 20 years has nothing to do with it, and even I had a free pass I would still complain about ticket prices. It WON’T go back, because the fans will keep on paying no matter how high prices go. Boston ranks where in ticket prices?

[Bellhorn04]

Nobody said the did, but the point being that owners could survive without baseball, but could the players?

 

I think the majority of the players would survive somehow. Some are already rich, after all.

[Old Red]

How many times do fans have to be reminded that ticket prices have nothing to do with player salaries, but only with the bean-counters' calculus of what will bring in the highest gate?

 

It doesn’t matter to me why the ticket prices keep going up. Both sides are greedy, and I’m not all that needy.

[Old Red]

I think the majority of the players would survive somehow. Some are already rich, after all.

 

Survive yes, but most would probably not be millionaires.

[Old Red]

Only if they make it to the majors and stay there.

 

That’s how it works that you have to be good enough.

[Bellhorn04]

That’s how it works that you have to be good enough.

 

Exactly what I'm saying.

[Old Red]

Exactly what I'm saying.

 

And what’s wrong with that?

[notin]

Even the fringe players are making a lot more than the average working stiff.

 

Most average working stiffs are not among the top 800 people in the world at their job…

[notin]

Of course the owners need the players to conduct their baseball business, but they have other business to fall back on, where the players don’t.

 

And if the owner’s don’t like the cost of running a team, then they should go invest in something else…

[Old Red]

Most average working stiffs are not among the top 800 people in the world at their job…

 

There is lots of more important jobs out there that get nowhere near the money that these guys get to play a kids game top 800, or not.

[Old Red]

And if the owner’s don’t like the cost of running a team, then they should go invest in something else…

 

Nothing wrong with that either. I never said it didn’t go both ways.

[notin]

There is lots of more important jobs out there that get nowhere near the money that these guys get to play a kids game top 800, or not.

 

Not important factors in determining salary. EMTs are probably the most important and criminally underpaid workers out there. But if they held out for a $775,000 minimum wage, what do you think would happen? (Hint: Not that raise.)

[notin]

Nothing wrong with that either. I never said it didn’t go both ways.

 

You do seem to be spending more time targeting the players.

 

I have no sympathy for either side, but comparing the MLB players’ jobs to that of Joe Lunch Pail is never going to lead to resolution, and probably not even to relevant commentary…