Red Sox trade Hunter Renfroe in trade involving Jackie Bradley Jr

[moonslav59]

There goes the full eclipse again. I admitted I read your comment to quickly, and just assumed, but of course you have never done that.

 

I do it all the time and admit it frequently.

[Old Red]

I do it all the time and admit it frequently.

 

Ok, so you should know what it’s like, and I not only admitted it, but I apologized for it.

[jad]

I feel I just got off the plane in a foreign country whose customs I have no clue about and whose language I don't speak.

[notin]

$11 million for a defensive replacement? I don’t think so.

 

Well, really is a roughly $3.5 mill (minus whatever Milwaukee pays, if anything) since they also list Renfroe’s salary.

 

Right now the outfield is, to be kind, in flux. But I imagine JBJ will supplement Duran in CF and another LF will be acquired somehow before the season starts. Free agency has a few names left, like Schwarber (the familiar), Bryant (the star) and Rosario (the underrated), Castellanos (the, I don’t know, handsome guy maybe? Is he handsome?) and Conforto (the Met)…

[mvp 78]

As far as the Renfroe for JBJ trade, only time will tell. Sometimes a change of scenery seems to help , and sometimes it seems to hurt. I don't know the reasons for that, but last year it seemed to help Renfroe and hurt JBJ. Hopefully,we will get the reverse this year. I will say this ; Kike Hernandez was not , is not and never will be as good a centerfielder as JBJ.

 

Agree for everything except that last part.

[mvp 78]

I feel I just got off the plane in a foreign country whose customs I have no clue about and whose language I don't speak.

 

Just nod your head and move along. This will all blow over shortly.

[mvp 78]

Well, really is a roughly $3.5 mill (minus whatever Milwaukee pays, if anything) since they also list Renfroe’s salary.

 

Right now the outfield is, to be kind, in flux. But I imagine JBJ will supplement Duran in CF and another LF will be acquired somehow before the season starts. Free agency has a few names left, like Schwarber (the familiar), Bryant (the star) and Rosario (the underrated), Castellanos (the, I don’t know, handsome guy maybe? Is he handsome?) and Conforto (the Met)…

 

Joc Pederson (self proclaimed King Joctober)

[harmony]

Well, really is a roughly $3.5 mill (minus whatever Milwaukee pays, if anything) since they also list Renfroe’s salary.

 

Right now the outfield is, to be kind, in flux. But I imagine JBJ will supplement Duran in CF and another LF will be acquired somehow before the season starts. Free agency has a few names left, like Schwarber (the familiar), Bryant (the star) and Rosario (the underrated), Castellanos (the, I don’t know, handsome guy maybe? Is he handsome?) and Conforto (the Met)…

According to reports, the Red Sox are on the hook for $17.5 million including an $8 million buyout of a 2023 mutual option that Jackie Bradley Jr. is likely to exercise.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2021/12/red-sox-trade-for-jackie-bradley-jr-send-hunter-renfroe-to-brewers-in-deal-two-prospects-also-come-to-boston-in-deal.html

 

Hunter Renfroe is projected to earn $7.6 million in arbitration, leaving the Sox with a net guaranteed payroll increase of nearly $10 million (although Renfroe has an additional year of team control and salary if he survives the 2022 non-tender deadline).

[Bellhorn04]

You still haven’t answered the question if everything was true, or not, and neither has anyone else.

 

Sorry, what did you want to know was true or not?

[Old Red]

Sorry, what did you want to know was true or not?

 

Everything that was in the post that you wanted the names named.

[dupree]

I honestly dont understand this one. If it was a cap issue was it really needed to add one or two of Paxson, Hill, Wacha?

 

Replacing his 31hrs with a guy that hit 6 for defense makes no sense.

 

Hate the deal.

Can bloom press the UNDO button.

 

He.must been drunk waiting on the lockout and.wanted just one more WTF red sox story line.

[mvp 78]

I honestly dont understand this one. If it was a cap issue was it really needed to add one or two of Paxson, Hill, Wacha?

 

Replacing his 31hrs with a guy that hit 6 for defense makes no sense.

 

Hate the deal.

Can bloom press the UNDO button.

He.must been drunk waiting on the lockout and.wanted just one more WTF red sox story line.

 

This can't be proven false! Sometimes drunk dialing works though.

[notin]

Joc Pederson (self proclaimed King Joctober)

 

There’s also Corey Dickerson (the journeyman), Jorge Soler (the hitter) and Gregory Polanco (the “how is he still only 30 years old?” guy

[Old Red]

According to reports, the Red Sox are on the hook for $17.5 million including an $8 million buyout of a 2023 mutual option that Jackie Bradley Jr. is likely to exercise.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2021/12/red-sox-trade-for-jackie-bradley-jr-send-hunter-renfroe-to-brewers-in-deal-two-prospects-also-come-to-boston-in-deal.html

 

Hunter Renfroe is projected to earn $7.6 million in arbitration, leaving the Sox with a net guaranteed payroll increase of nearly $10 million (although Renfroe has an additional year of team control and salary if he survives the 2022 non-tender deadline).

 

I’ve heard everything from this side, but why did Milwaukee make the trade? Did they want Renfroe that bad based on last year’s production, and threw in 2 prospects, or did they just want to get out of that bad JBJ contract that they threw in 2 prospects, and the Red Sox took them off the hook?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I honestly dont understand this one. If it was a cap issue was it really needed to add one or two of Paxson, Hill, Wacha?

 

Replacing his 31hrs with a guy that hit 6 for defense makes no sense.

 

Hate the deal.

Can bloom press the UNDO button.

 

He.must been drunk waiting on the lockout and.wanted just one more WTF red sox story line.

 

This seems to be the part a lot of fans can't grasp today: Bloom exchanged Renfroe for Bradley -- and two other players; he did not replace Renfroe with Bradley.

 

Yes, they're both outfielders, but JBJ may not even start, and probably not in RF, especially since Bloom just said how rare it is to have a good CFer.

 

I personally had a lot bigger problem with the Franchy trade, because they actually tried to play him in the spot vacated by Benintendi... and Cordero was never good at hitting or fielding. But even that deal was more about the additional minor leaguers acquired, and hopefully we'll see Winckowski contributing on the mound soon.

[moonslav59]

According to reports, the Red Sox are on the hook for $17.5 million including an $8 million buyout of a 2023 mutual option that Jackie Bradley Jr. is likely to exercise.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2021/12/red-sox-trade-for-jackie-bradley-jr-send-hunter-renfroe-to-brewers-in-deal-two-prospects-also-come-to-boston-in-deal.html

 

Hunter Renfroe is projected to earn $7.6 million in arbitration, leaving the Sox with a net guaranteed payroll increase of nearly $10 million (although Renfroe has an additional year of team control and salary if he survives the 2022 non-tender deadline).

 

Renfroe also has another arb year, and although the Sox could have non-tendered him, this year or next year, his total cost for 2 years will not be $7.6M, regardless of where he plays.

 

If he has a big 2022 season, he might make $10M in his last of 4 arbs- bringing his total to about $17.5M.

[Bellhorn04]

Everything that was in the post that you wanted the names named.

 

There is no "elite clique" here. We're all just a bunch of random Red Sox fans and we all think a little differently. I'm one of the most frequent posters, along with moon, notin and mvp78. I agree with them on some things and disagree on others. I don't think anyone tries to lord it over anyone here.

 

I was on a board once called Sawxheads where the posters split up into two main groups, optimists and pessimists, and it got very ugly. This board is much better.

[harmony]

Renfroe also has another arb year, and although the Sox could have non-tendered him, this year or next year, his total cost for 2 years will not be $7.6M, regardless of where he plays.

 

If he has a big 2022 season, he might make $10M in his last of 4 arbs- bringing his total to about $17.5M.

And that estimated $17.5 million would cover two seasons of Hunter Renfroe while Jackie Bradley Jr. is guaranteed $17.5 million for a single season (with a mutual option for $21.5 million over two seasons). Bradley at a net $4 million for the 2023 season might be appealing to the Red Sox.

 

Or not.

Edited December 2, 2021 by harmony

[dupree]

I still thinks this deal hurts the offense and unless we dont know some.clubhouse drama and Hunter wanting out then i still think with the prospect haul and the JBJ money added for basically a platoon bat with above average fielding.

 

Makes no sense.

 

Classic Moneyball line

"He gets on base."

 

JBJ doesnt get on base.

Dumb.

[Bellhorn04]

I still thinks this deal hurts the offense and unless we dont know some.clubhouse drama and Hunter wanting out then i still think with the prospect haul and the JBJ money added for basically a platoon bat with above average fielding.

 

Makes no sense.

 

Classic Moneyball line

"He gets on base."

 

JBJ doesnt get on base.

Dumb.

 

Personally I suspect it had a lot to do with Hunter's s***** defense.

[moonslav59]

Personally I suspect it had a lot to do with Hunter's s***** defense.

 

The arm was great, but it didn't make up for the 12 errors and negative range. In Fenway, poor range in RF is a big no-no.

[mvp 78]

I’ve heard everything from this side, but why did Milwaukee make the trade? Did they want Renfroe that bad based on last year’s production, and threw in 2 prospects, or did they just want to get out of that bad JBJ contract that they threw in 2 prospects, and the Red Sox took them off the hook?

 

@CentWisSports

Milwaukee Brewers turned problematic outfield situation into possible asset by trading Jackie Bradley Jr. for Hunter Renfroe

 

From what I've seen, Brewers fans are glad to be out from JBJ's contract.

[mvp 78]

There is no "elite clique" here. We're all just a bunch of random Red Sox fans and we all think a little differently. I'm one of the most frequent posters, along with moon, notin and mvp78. I agree with them on some things and disagree on others. I don't think anyone tries to lord it over anyone here.

 

I was on a board once called Sawxheads where the posters split up into two main groups, optimists and pessimists, and it got very ugly. This board is much better.

 

Wait, I'm in the clique? What the hell?

[moonslav59]

@CentWisSports

Milwaukee Brewers turned problematic outfield situation into possible asset by trading Jackie Bradley Jr. for Hunter Renfroe

 

From what I've seen, Brewers fans are glad to be out from JBJ's contract.

 

Unless some Brewer fan loves the prospects they gave up, I'm thinking they should all be happy.

 

Milwaukee doesn't have a huge RF, either, so Renfroe's poor D will be mitigated a bit.

[mvp 78]

Unless some Brewer fan loves the prospects they gave up, I'm thinking they should all be happy.

 

Milwaukee doesn't have a huge RF, either, so Renfroe's poor D will be mitigated a bit.

 

Some like the SS Hamilton. Some are saying that Binelas' IF defense sucks and he's being moved to the OF.

 

Most are just glad JBJ's gone.

[moonslav59]

Wait, I'm in the clique? What the hell?

 

I didn't think any of us get along with anyone.

[mvp 78]

I didn't think any of us get along with anyone.

 

I try to get along with everyone, unlike you!

[moonslav59]

And that estimated $17.5 million would cover two seasons of Hunter Renfroe while Jackie Bradley Jr. is guaranteed $17.5 million for a single season (with a mutual option for $21.5 million over two seasons). Bradley at a net $4 million for the 2023 season might be appealing to the Red Sox.

 

Or not.

 

I would think that if the Sox think a .497 OPS guy is worth obtaining, they will take him back in 2023 for the $4M differential.

 

Cots: '22:$9.5M & '23:$12M mutual option ($8M buyout)

 

So, yes, it's $17.5M/1 or $21.5M/2

 

Renfroe might cost $7.5M for '22 and $10M for 2023 (last of 4 arbs).

 

One could view this as us paying $4M for the two prospects and having JBJ over Renfroe.

 

(Note: I am not sugar-coating this trade, making excuses or sitting on the fence. I do not like this trade on the surface, but I admit I know very little about the two prospects.)

[moonslav59]

I try to get along with everyone!

 

I never noticed.

 

[oldtimer]

Lots of players have the occasional rough postseason. A rough two week stretch, even at a crucial time, is no reason to dump a player. Renfroe struggled heavily at the end of the Houston series, but you know who else did? Everyone else…

 

I don't think Renfroe was in the Sox long term plans and they saw a chance to trade him and pick up a couple of prospects and a good defensive outfielder. I don't think Bradley is in the Sox long term plans either.