Will the Sox give Eduardo Rodriguez a Qualifying Offer?

[BOSOX11]

Unless Detroit bolsters their offense, E-Rod is going to have his hands full.

[mvp 78]

I think Stroman is overrated, and has been a 500 pitcher in his career, and who knows if he can handle pitching in Boston, or not like E Rod could.

 

Stroman pitched pretty well in front of the Mets fans this year.

[Old Red]

I have serious doubts about Stroman, Ray, gausman and Rodon.

 

I think we trade for a better pitcher making much less money.

 

This will allow us to sign some good RP'ers and maybe even a surprise, everyday player. (Semien? Baez? Schwarber?)

 

We don’t know if the Red Sox offered E Rod a contract, or not, and if they did what was the offer, but I don’t see them signing anyone else for more money than what E Rod got from Detroit. I’ve been saying right along that I don’t see the Red Sox signing any big long term contracts this off season, and I still believe that. I seen all kinds of let’s get this guy, and that guy on here, but unless it’s for a short term, and not much money I don’t see it. I also hope I’m wrong about that, but we will see.

[dgalehouse]

E-Rod had his times where he was very good. But , after all is said and done, he is a career 4+ ERA guy. That is not exactly a rare breed. He can be replaced.

[redsoxrules]

I'm not a fan of Stroman. He's a drama queen. He certainly has the numbers. If he could keep his mouth shut and pitch sure but he can't so that's a hard pass for me.

[moonslav59]

Unless Detroit bolsters their offense, E-Rod is going to have his hands full.

 

He'll have a better D behind him.

[notin]

He'll have a better D behind him.

 

I'm not sure sure.

 

The Tigers ranked 30th out of 30 in team UZR and UZR/150 last year. The Sox actually ranked 11th.

 

The Tigers ranked 29th in DRS. The Sox ranked 19th...

[mvp 78]

ERod's new contract is back loaded so that it's less likely he'll opt out. Edited November 15, 2021 by mvp 78

[notin]

ERod's new contract is back loaded so that it's less likely he'll leave.

 

but more likely he will be traded...

[mvp 78]

but more likely he will be traded...

 

Yes, I misworded.

[moonslav59]

ERod's new contract is back loaded so that it's less likely he'll leave.

 

$14M x 2 with $2M in possible incentives and 16.3M x 3 with $1M in possible incentives years 3-5 is "back-loaded" but not by much.

[Old Red]

$14M x 2 with $2M in possible incentives and 16.3M x 3 with $1M in possible incentives years 3-5 is "back-loaded" but not by much.

 

A lot less pressure in Detroit, so we’ll see how it goes for him.

[moonslav59]

A lot less pressure in Detroit, so we’ll see how it goes for him.

 

I doubt they win 72%+ of his starts like they did in Boston since 2018.

[Tedballgame]

This is a very good contract for E-Rod. He can opt out after two seasons. He gets 77 million to 80 million if he stays for the 5 years. Good for him. He won a WS championship with the Red Sox. He pitched in meaningful late season games and post-season games. Hopefully, he will remember those times because he is not going to see the playoffs with the Tigers. He took the most money over the chance to win. That is his choice. Good luck E-Rod. Thank you for your contributions to the Red Sox. You can be replaced with a cheaper, better pitcher.

[moonslav59]

This is a very good contract for E-Rod. He can opt out after two seasons. He gets 77 million to 80 million if he stays for the 5 years. Good for him. He won a WS championship with the Red Sox. He pitched in meaningful late season games and post-season games. Hopefully, he will remember those times because he is not going to see the playoffs with the Tigers. He took the most money over the chance to win. That is his choice. Good luck E-Rod. Thank you for your contributions to the Red Sox. You can be replaced with a cheaper, better pitcher.

 

Name names.

[Tedballgame]

Name names.

 

Garrett Whitlock and Tanner Houck for two.

[moonslav59]

Garrett Whitlock and Tanner Houck for two.

 

And who replaces them in the pen?

[notin]

And who replaces them in the pen?

 

Archie Bradley and Lou Trivino?

[Bellhorn04]

Garrett Whitlock and Tanner Houck for two.

 

My concern about putting both these guys in the Opening Day rotation is that it's a little risky to do it with two guys at once.

Edited November 15, 2021 by Bellhorn04

[moonslav59]

Archie Bradley and Lou Trivino?

 

That would be decent, but is that an upgrade on a a pen that was considered a weak spot minus Ottavino, Robles, Richards and then Houck & Whitlock?

[notin]

That would be decent, but is that an upgrade on a a pen that was considered a weak spot minus Ottavino, Robles, Richards and then Houck & Whitlock?

 

Replacing ERod with Houck/Whitlock is already a step down. Not sure why people think replacing him with either of two pitchers who have never thrown 6 innings before is such a lock…

[moonslav59]

Replacing ERod with Houck/Whitlock is already a step down. Not sure why people think replacing him with either of two pitchers who have never thrown 6 innings before is such a lock…

 

There is potential for a plus, but it’s certainly not a given.

 

Replacing Richards and Perez is another comp. if we sign Matz, I’d say he’s replacing those two not ERod.

[Tedballgame]

My concern about putting both these guys in the Opening Day rotation is that it's a little risky to do it with two guys at once.

 

I agree but he asked me to name names so I named two guys that are a lot (17 million a year) cheaper than E-Rod and better than him, which they both are. One of them can replace him and one can stay in the pen. The Sox can sign two or three good players with the money they will save or just give most of it to Schwarber. E-Rod will not be missed.

[jacksonianmarch]

I honestly do not think Houck is a starter long term. Maybe he figures out his change a little more, but he is the kind of guy who is death to a lineup first turn around and then can get flamed the second time.

 

Honestly, I think Houck may be your closer

[jacksonianmarch]

Whitlock was a starter his whole career before the Rule V pickup. He would be the easiest to transition as he has pretty much always had success at every level starting. The one thing I would want to see with Whitlock is if his enormous stuff in short outings translates into longer outings. He was never a 98mph pitcher in the Yanks system

[moonslav59]

I agree but he asked me to name names so I named two guys that are a lot (17 million a year) cheaper than E-Rod and better than him, which they both are. One of them can replace him and one can stay in the pen. The Sox can sign two or three good players with the money they will save or just give most of it to Schwarber. E-Rod will not be missed.

 

We won over 72% of ERod’s starts since 2018. That will be greatly missed and hard to replace.

 

I have very high hopes for Houck and Whitlock, but they have a lot to prove as starters.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We won over 72% of ERod’s starts since 2018. That will be greatly missed and hard to replace.

 

I have very high hopes for Houck and Whitlock, but they have a lot to prove as starters.

 

Agreed, but considering modern usage of pitching staffs, transitioning from two-inning relievers to five-inning starters shouldn't be too much to ask of young, strong professional arms.

 

No matter their roles, there is just too much potential to ponder trading either in a multi-player deal for a more established pitcher (as some posters suggest). Whitlock delivered the most clutch outing of October, entering the final ALDS game tied, with Arozarena on second and no outs, and going on to retire the last six straight Rays until the Sox walked it off. Houck's five-inning perfect game the week before displayed literally unhittable stuff, whether it was vs. the Washington Nats or Washington politicians. Keep them both.

[moonslav59]

Agreed, but considering modern usage of pitching staffs, transitioning from two-inning relievers to five-inning starters shouldn't be too much to ask of young, strong professional arms.

 

No matter their roles, there is just too much potential to ponder trading either in a multi-player deal for a more established pitcher (as some posters suggest). Whitlock delivered the most clutch outing of October, entering the final ALDS game tied, with Arozarena on second and no outs, and going on to retire the last six straight Rays until the Sox walked it off. Houck's five-inning perfect game the week before displayed literally unhittable stuff, whether it was vs. the Washington Nats or Washington politicians. Keep them both.

 

I’m not for trading either one. I’d have to be blown away to even listen to an offer.

 

Maybe I’m wrong, but I really like how we have two of the best long relief men in baseball, and that seems to be the direction baseball is headed towards. I’m leaning towards keeping both in their current roles, but moving one (Whitlock IMO) to the rotation makes sense, too.

[Old Red]

We won over 72% of ERod’s starts since 2018. That will be greatly missed and hard to replace.

 

I have very high hopes for Houck and Whitlock, but they have a lot to prove as starters.

 

They both have a lot to prove period. Houck at times looks lights out, and then loses it all of a sudden. I think he needs another pitch to be effective as a starter, and just has to be more consistent. Whitlock had a good season, but that is only doing it for 1 season, and only went a couple innings at a time most times given 3-4 days between appearances, so he’ll have to show what he can do going 5 innings. I think he needs another pitch to be an effective starter as well, so I think the jury is still out on him after just 1 year.

[mvp 78]

I honestly do not think Houck is a starter long term. Maybe he figures out his change a little more, but he is the kind of guy who is death to a lineup first turn around and then can get flamed the second time.

 

Honestly, I think Houck may be your closer

 

Many smart people are saying this.