Will the Sox give Eduardo Rodriguez a Qualifying Offer?

[S5Dewey]

First off 3-5 innings for 30 starts is an average of 120 innings. While the trend is there (starting pitchers not going as long) that’s far from realistic expectations. No manager is happy with 3-4 innings. That’s 5th 6th starter territory.

 

More than that, no starting pitcher is going to be happy with 3-4 innings when they need five innings to pick up a Win. Whether we like it or not, in the real world Wins is one barometer of how well a pitcher is pitching and therefore part of the basis for their salaries.

[Bellhorn04]

More than that, no starting pitcher is going to be happy with 3-4 innings when they need five innings to pick up a Win. Whether we like it or not, in the real world Wins is one barometer of how well a pitcher is pitching and therefore part of the basis for their salaries.

 

If you believe that a pitcher's W-L record matters, E-Rod has to be your guy.

 

He's 64-39. That's a .621 winning pct., which equates to a 101-61 season record.

[moonslav59]

If you believe that a pitcher's W-L record matters, E-Rod has to be your guy.

 

He's 64-39. That's a .621 winning pct., which equates to a 101-61 season record.

 

More amazing is the team's record in his starts:

 

13-8 2015

8-12 2016

13-11 2017

 

34-31 first 3 seasons in MLB is not all that bad.

 

But, then this...

 

19-4 2018

26-8 2019

19-12 2021

 

That's 64-24 in his last 3 seasons-- a .727 winning percentage! I don't think any ML pitcher has a better team winning & since 2018.

 

Career: 98-55 (.641)

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by moonslav59

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Why does anyone care about wins anymore? They shouldn't even keep score, and just give ribbons to all players. And make parents tie their shoes. Unless they're velcro. Families like that stick together. And stick up for each other. Unless they're stuck up.

[Bellhorn04]

Why does anyone care about wins anymore? They shouldn't even keep score, and just give ribbons to all players. And make parents tie their shoes. Unless they're velcro. Families like that stick together. And stick up for each other. Unless they're stuck up.

 

Team wins-of indisputable importance

Pitcher wins-of questionable importance

 

My favorite win of the year goes to Tim Mayza of the Blue Jays, April 25, in a 1-0 win against the Rays.

 

Mayza pitched 1/3 of an inning, the 4th no less, before giving up 2 hits to start the 5th and being yanked.

 

But because the Jays scored in the 5th when he was the 'pitcher of record', Mayza got the win.

[Bellhorn04]

In that same game, BTW, the Jays bullpen was credited with a win, 3 holds and a save. Starter Ryu, who pitched 3.2 scoreless, got nothing of course.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

In that same game, BTW, the Jays bullpen was credited with a win, 3 holds and a save. Starter Ryu, who pitched 3.2 scoreless, got nothing of course.

 

Ryu's an old pro; he got the intrinsic reward of contributing to a team victory! I heard the union, led by Boras, is trying to ban attitudes like that in the new CBA.

[S5Dewey]

If you believe that a pitcher's W-L record matters, E-Rod has to be your guy.

 

He's 64-39. That's a .621 winning pct., which equates to a 101-61 season record.

 

Well, I like to believe that I'm one of the moderately knowledgeable fans and I do think that a pitcher's W-L record matters (to some degree). It at least matter to Scott Boras when it comes time to negotiate a pitcher's salary - which is very important to the pitcher whom Boras is representing.

 

That's the point I was making when I said that no starting pitcher is going to be happy with 3-4 innings when wins is a part of a pitcher's salary negotiations.

Take two starting pitchers, one of whom is 0-9 with an era of 1.5 and averages 3 IP per appearance (once through the order) or a starting pitcher who is 7-2 with an ERA of 3.0 with an average of 6 IP. Who's going to make more money?

 

That's why I would suppose that starting pitchers are hoping that the idea of having 'openers' doesn't catch on.

[dgalehouse]

Well, I like to believe that I'm one of the moderately knowledgeable fans and I do think that a pitcher's W-L record matters (to some degree). It at least matter to Scott Boras when it comes time to negotiate a pitcher's salary - which is very important to the pitcher whom Boras is representing.

 

That's the point I was making when I said that no starting pitcher is going to be happy with 3-4 innings when wins is a part of a pitcher's salary negotiations.

Take two starting pitchers, one of whom is 0-9 with an era of 1.5 and averages 3 IP per appearance (once through the order) or a starting pitcher who is 7-2 with an ERA of 3.0 with an average of 6 IP. Who's going to make more money?

 

That's why I would suppose that starting pitchers are hoping that the idea of having 'openers' doesn't catch on.

 

It is the eternal struggle between management and labor. The owners ( management) are always looking for ways to control spending. The players ( labor) are always looking for ways to maximize their earnings. That is at the bottom of all of these kind of things. The fans ( us ) are caught in the middle. But without our support, it all falls apart. We pay all the bills. Hopefully, both labor and management keep that in mind.

[mvp 78]

Well, I like to believe that I'm one of the moderately knowledgeable fans and I do think that a pitcher's W-L record matters (to some degree). It at least matter to Scott Boras when it comes time to negotiate a pitcher's salary - which is very important to the pitcher whom Boras is representing.

 

That's the point I was making when I said that no starting pitcher is going to be happy with 3-4 innings when wins is a part of a pitcher's salary negotiations.

Take two starting pitchers, one of whom is 0-9 with an era of 1.5 and averages 3 IP per appearance (once through the order) or a starting pitcher who is 7-2 with an ERA of 3.0 with an average of 6 IP. Who's going to make more money?

 

That's why I would suppose that starting pitchers are hoping that the idea of having 'openers' doesn't catch on.

 

I guess it still depends on the pitcher. Jalen Beeks works almost exclusively with an opener and in 2019, he only pitched 4 games with 5+ innnings pitched. If he was a true starter, he could have only been credited for 4 wins at most. However, he earned 6 wins that year due to how they factor in relief wins. In fact, Beeks had zero wins in games in which he actually started the opening frame. Over time, the better pitchers are more likely to get wins regardless of when they start the game as long as their overall innings pitched isn't dramatically impacted.

[Hugh2]

Now the Red Sox should get approximately the 75th pick in next years draft. All because they made E-Rod a 1-year offer that he was bound to refuse.

 

It was the logical decision all along.

[jad]

Thank God he's gone. For those of us who go to games to see great hitting, this is great news. Who needs pitching, after all?

[mvp 78]

Now the Red Sox should get approximately the 75th pick in next years draft. All because they made E-Rod a 1-year offer that he was bound to refuse.

 

It was the logical decision all along.

 

I believe it's the 57th pick.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I believe it's the 57th pick.

 

57: ERod's uniform number.

 

5 at $77 mil... $15.4 AAV?

[jacksonianmarch]

This is a loss more for potential than anything else. Erod’s 19 was really good. 2020 was wrecked by covid and his first half of 21 was sucky due to his lost conditioning. This is a good signing for Detroit who has a young rotation that desperately needed a leader

[mvp 78]

I believe it's the 57th pick.

 

sox 1st, fabian compensation, sox second, eddie compensation

 

The 70th pick is the comp pick.

[mvp 78]

This is a loss more for potential than anything else. Erod’s 19 was really good. 2020 was wrecked by covid and his first half of 21 was sucky due to his lost conditioning. This is a good signing for Detroit who has a young rotation that desperately needed a leader

 

@CodyStavenhagen

Sources: The Tigers are close to finalizing a multiyear deal with free agent LHP Eduardo Rodriguez.

 

[mvp 78]

@jonmorosi

Eduardo Rodríguez is in agreement with #Tigers on a 5-year contract worth at least $77 million, source confirms initial report by @CodyStavenhagen. There’s an opt-out after the 2nd year, as @JeffPassan @Ken_Rosenthal and @JonHeyman have reported.

[mvp 78]

Doesn't seem like a very big number? He was going to get 18M if he took the QO.

[moonslav59]

Thank God he's gone. For those of us who go to games to see great hitting, this is great news. Who needs pitching, after all?

 

Who is happy?

[moonslav59]

@jonmorosi

Eduardo Rodríguez is in agreement with #Tigers on a 5-year contract worth at least $77 million, source confirms initial report by @CodyStavenhagen. There’s an opt-out after the 2nd year, as @JeffPassan @Ken_Rosenthal and @JonHeyman have reported.

 

Wow, the opt out is interesting.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Doesn't seem like a very big number? He was going to get 18M if he took the QO.

 

Gotta believe it was the years -- and Bloom wouldn't go five. But does anyone think Gausman or Stroman or Rodon will take $15.4 per? ERod was the Sox' leading winner in his past two seasons in Boston.

[notin]

Gotta believe it was the years -- and Bloom wouldn't go five. But does anyone think Gausman or Stroman or Rodon will take $15.4 per? ERod was the Sox' leading winner in his past two seasons in Boston.

 

Yes on Rodon, but no on Gausman and Stroman.

 

Losing ERod is obviously a big loss that the Sox are going to need to fill. It's still possible (likely?) that this need is not filled via free agency, however.

 

I would have liked ERod back, but I do have faith that the Sox are not going to simply stand pat on the pitching market. If last season is any indication, Bloom will make some moves that just look flat out stupid but will pan out better than expected...

[moonslav59]

I think we trade for a lower salary pitcher (Montas or Castillo or one year guys like Bassit, Manaea or S Gray.)

[notin]

I think we trade for a lower salary pitcher (Montas or Castillo or one year guys like Bassit, Manaea or S Gray.)

 

Agreed.

 

I'm sure there are other candidates we are not even thinking of, but some of the pitchers in Oakland are certainly going to be moved somewhere.

 

The rotation will likely be Sale, Eovaldi, Pivetta, Whitlock, and someone acquired via trade. (There are not ordered, and I am not saying it will be a #5 starter)...

[moonslav59]

Agreed.

 

I'm sure there are other candidates we are not even thinking of, but some of the pitchers in Oakland are certainly going to be moved somewhere.

 

The rotation will likely be Sale, Eovaldi, Pivetta, Whitlock, and someone acquired via trade. (There are not ordered, and I am not saying it will be a #5 starter)...

 

I'm sure there are dozens of other pitchers out there to be plucked by trade.

 

I hope Bloom plucks the right blossom.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

 

The rotation will likely be Sale, Eovaldi, Pivetta, Whitlock, and someone acquired via ...

 

... the Navy.

[moonslav59]

I think many were okay with us paying ERod about the same as Eovaldi ($68M/4), and $77M/5 is really just about $9M for year 5 (at age 33.)

 

I think I might have matched the Tiger offer, but it's understandable Bloom apparently did not.

 

(It might have been the opt out that Bloom refused to give.)

[notin]

... the Navy.

 

I think Noah Song and his 0 professional career IP might not jump into the rotation as quickly as many would like...

[notin]

I think many were okay with us paying ERod about the same as Eovaldi ($68M/4), and $77M/5 is really just about $9M for year 5 (at age 33.)

 

I think I might have matched the Tiger offer, but it's understandable Bloom apparently did not.

 

(It might have been the opt out that Bloom refused to give.)

 

Maybe Bloom did match it. His agent would be negligent to not ask around unless for some reason no human will ever fathom, ERod wanted to go to Detroit...