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[mvp 78]

And in his last 7 starts Perez's ERA is 3.55.

 

The guys at Red Sox Stats are cherry-pickers just like us!

 

I think RedSox stats is just one person.

[notin]

And in his last 7 starts Perez's ERA is 3.55.

 

The guys at Red Sox Stats are cherry-pickers just like us!

 

But his OPSA in those starts is .845, which is a bit concerning.

 

I’m still not convinced his starting role is all that tenuous…

[mvp 78]

But his OPSA in those starts is .845, which is a bit concerning.

 

I’m still not convinced his starting role is all that tenuous…

 

I think Richards would be the first to be bumped out of the rotation.

[Maxbialystock]

I think Richards would be the first to be bumped out of the rotation.

 

Agree, but the tricky part with him is his salary.

[Maxbialystock]

Yes, I know his grip on a slot is tenuous. His last start was not bad, so he'll get one or two more, unless we trade him.

 

I'm okay with moving Houck into the rotation, when needed. I'm not sure now is the time, unless weplace ERod on the IL.

 

Richards and Perez will get 1-2 more starts, minimum.

 

Agree on Houck. I do think he can start, but think shoring up the bullpen is more important, especially with Sale returning.

 

However, ERod's migraine is concerning--will he go on the IL???--and Richards and Perez are problematical. In any case, it was smart to call Houck up.

 

Overall, I am now inclined to agree that Bloom going after pitching makes sense. Sad to say, but this could also apply to going after a first baseman.

[Larry Cook]

Under the radar relievers that could appeal to us are Taylor Rogers of the twins or chris Stratton of the pirates.

[mvp 78]

Agree, but the tricky part with him is his salary.

 

Sunk cost.

[Maxbialystock]

Sunk cost.

 

Good reminder.

[moonslav59]

And in his last 7 starts Perez's ERA is 3.55.

 

The guys at Red Sox Stats are cherry-pickers just like us!

His OPS against is pretty bad 7 or 8 games back.

[Nick]

Record vs AL East 27-13

 

10-3 Yankees

7-4 Jays

6-4 Orioles

4-2 Rays

 

Run Differential

+92 Rays

+86 Jays

+68 Sox

 

We must be winning close games.....

 

We've had a good season.

[Bellhorn04]

His OPS against is pretty bad 7 or 8 games back.

 

In the big picture, he's having about exactly the season you would expect Martin Perez to have.

[iortiz]

I think Perez has done way more in most of his starts than I expected.

[moonslav59]

In the big picture, he's having about exactly the season you would expect Martin Perez to have.

 

I’d say much better. He was our 1-2 starter for a big chunk of the season.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Trading for Jon Gray doesn't make sense IMO--it is a sideways move. Your top 3 starters matter most in the postseason (will pitch twice in a 7 game series) and the Red Sox have Eovaldi and Sale as 1-2. That leaves E-Rod, Pivetta, and Houck under consideration for the third rotation spot. But is Jon Gray clearly better than E-Rod, Pivetta, and Houck? If not, it doesn't make sense to trade for him.

 

Kyle Gibson is having a better season than Gray. If you believe that Kyle Gibson is for real, it would make sense to trade for him as he would represent an upgrade over E-Rod, Houck, and Pivetta. I just don't know if Kyle Gibson is for real.

 

Gray has always been a bit of an enigma. He has one above average pitch (his slider) but he has never been able to complement his slider with his 4-seamer and that has kept him from blossoming into a top guy. His velocity has declined (slightly) over the last couple of seasons. Maybe if the Rockies were better at developing pitchers, Gray could have been a top starter. I suppose there could be some untapped potential there, but his 4-seamer has always been a problem for him and his changeup is nothing great and he doesn't throw it that often.

 

Jon Gray is capable of having a really good postseason start, but E-Rod, Houck, and Pivetta are capable of that as well.

 

While Gray would likely be a sideways move, acquiring a starting 1b would be an immediate upgrade, since the Red Sox have the worst or nearly the worst OPS out of the 1b position. In addition, I read this morning that the Red Sox's top relievers are on track to pitch more innings than they ever pitched before. Assuming that is true, there is a real concern about their continued effectiveness. Moreover, while acquiring an upgrade to the starting rotation is almost impossible to do, there are a plethora of relievers on the trade market that would be an upgrade over the Rios-Workman group.

Edited July 26, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[notin]

I’d be happy if Bloom got Gray.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

ERod's migraine is concerning

 

Is this really concerning? It just seems we can manage migraines nowadays. I would be concerned if he left the game the other day with a shoulder injury. A migraine seems kind of minor to me, but I'm far from an expert on this matter.

Edited July 26, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Maxbialystock]

Record vs AL East 27-13

 

10-3 Yankees

7-4 Jays

6-4 Orioles

4-2 Rays

 

Run Differential

+92 Rays

+86 Jays

+68 Sox

 

We must be winning close games.....

 

We've had a good season.

 

Good stuff. Thanks.

[Maxbialystock]

Is this really concerning? It just seems we can manage migraines nowadays. I would be concerned if he left the game the other day with a shoulder injury. A migraine seems kind of minor to me, but I'm far from an expert on this matter.

 

All migraines aren't equal, and some can be very debilitating.

[notin]

Is this really concerning? It just seems we can manage migraines nowadays. I would be concerned if he left the game the other day with a shoulder injury. A migraine seems kind of minor to me, but I'm far from an expert on this matter.

 

Some people suffer from them for decades…

[Larry Cook]

I suffer from a migraine every time someone posts about trading for gallo or Marte!

[notin]

I suffer from a migraine every time someone posts about trading for gallo or Marte!

 

Let’s get Gallo and Marte. Both Marte’s!!!

[Larry Cook]

Let’s get Gallo and Marte. Both Marte’s!!!

 

I meant when the mediots put it out there.

[oldtimer]

I meant when the mediots put it out there.

 

I think the media pundits don't know much. If you throw enough pooh against the wall, some will and there guys will claim they were clairvoyant. Not so.

 

I still hope the Sox get Trey Mancini although I realize it is highly unlikely, since he is in the AL East now. With Arroyo coming back and Verdugo hitting again, we only have a real need at 1st base.

 

I also think Richards could be traded to make way for Houck and Sale in the starting rotation and to help fund picking up a quality relief arm and a first baseman.

[Maxbialystock]

I suffer from a migraine every time someone posts about trading for gallo or Marte!

 

I too suffer--when "A Realistic View at 2021" devolves into an endless discussion of the greatness or ungreatness of one Rick Porcello.

 

As for trades, the subject of this thread, I'm reluctantly in favor of them this month provided Bloom doesn't give away the farm.

[moonslav59]

Trading for Jon Gray doesn't make sense IMO--it is a sideways move. Your top 3 starters matter most in the postseason (will pitch twice in a 7 game series) and the Red Sox have Eovaldi and Sale as 1-2. That leaves E-Rod, Pivetta, and Houck under consideration for the third rotation spot. But is Jon Gray clearly better than E-Rod, Pivetta, and Houck? If not, it doesn't make sense to trade for him.

 

Kyle Gibson is having a better season than Gray. If you believe that Kyle Gibson is for real, it would make sense to trade for him as he would represent an upgrade over E-Rod, Houck, and Pivetta. I just don't know if Kyle Gibson is for real.

 

Gray has always been a bit of an enigma. He has one above average pitch (his slider) but he has never been able to complement his slider with his 4-seamer and that has kept him from blossoming into a top guy. His velocity has declined (slightly) over the last couple of seasons. Maybe if the Rockies were better at developing pitchers, Gray could have been a top starter. I suppose there could be some untapped potential there, but his 4-seamer has always been a problem for him and his changeup is nothing great and he doesn't throw it that often.

 

Jon Gray is capable of having a really good postseason start, but E-Rod, Houck, and Pivetta are capable of that as well.

 

While Gray would likely be a sideways move, acquiring a starting 1b would be an immediate upgrade, since the Red Sox have the worst or nearly the worst OPS out of the 1b position. In addition, I read this morning that the Red Sox's top relievers are on track to pitch more innings than they ever pitched before. Assuming that is true, there is a real concern about their continued effectiveness. Moreover, while acquiring an upgrade to the starting rotation is almost impossible to do, there are a plethora of relievers on the trade market that would be an upgrade over the Rios-Workman group.

 

Houck can be a monster in the pen.

 

I think Gray is better than Richards and Perez, but it's not a sure bet he'll be better the last 2 months.

 

If ERod needs to go on the IL, Gray would be a big help.

[sk7326]

The cost for a starter could be prohibitive relative to getting a Raisel Iglesias or something. Carlos Santana for 1B makes sense and he wouldn't be a rental iirc.

[Noles_1335]

Hypothetically speaking... If Barnes goes down at some point, who is the guy we use in a save situation. Is there an arm we have that kind of confidence in down the stretch. If not, should we not go find a bargain arm to be able to depend on if that were to happen? If this were to be the case, who would be a steal and not cost a lot to make this happen?

[Hugh2]

Hypothetically speaking... If Barnes goes down at some point, who is the guy we use in a save situation. Is there an arm we have that kind of confidence in down the stretch. If not, should we not go find a bargain arm to be able to depend on if that were to happen? If this were to be the case, who would be a steal and not cost a lot to make this happen?

 

This is exactly why I want to see them use Houk in the pen more and give him some shots at high leverage situations. I think he can really excel there.

[moonslav59]

Hypothetically speaking... If Barnes goes down at some point, who is the guy we use in a save situation. Is there an arm we have that kind of confidence in down the stretch. If not, should we not go find a bargain arm to be able to depend on if that were to happen? If this were to be the case, who would be a steal and not cost a lot to make this happen?

 

Ottavino clsoes

 

Whiltock and Houck are the 8th inning set up men, in this scenario.

 

Maybe Valdez can take on their previous roles.

[moonslav59]

The cost for a starter could be prohibitive relative to getting a Raisel Iglesias or something. Carlos Santana for 1B makes sense and he wouldn't be a rental iirc.

 

Starters will cost more, even salary dump types, but that's what we need.