Game Day Thread 06.13.21 - Jays (Ray) @ Red Sox (Perez)

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

John Henry is giving the fans a free ticket to a future game because of this embarrassment.

Of course, I just made that up.

That ain't how capitalism works.

[vegasbob]

Doesn't mean much now but 6 of the Jay's 8 HRs came with 2 outs. Sox pitchers could not close out the inning to keep them close enough to win in a comeback

[d-money]

Just try not to give up 5 runs or more in the first 3 innings tomorrow.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Breaking news:

 

The 11 earned runs charged to Weber actually lowered his lifetime ERA.

[Bellhorn04]

Dalbec bumping his OPS in garbage time. Smart kid LOL

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Just try not to give up 5 runs or more in the first 3 innings tomorrow.

 

Well, the SOX have their #1 starter going tomorrow, so there's a chance you're asking for too much.

[notin]

I'm guessing Weber will be going on the IL for whiplash.

 

I’ve been asking for Weber’s release for years now…

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I’ve been asking for Weber’s release for years now…

 

If today didn't do it, there may be a serious case of extortion going on.

[notin]

Red Sox pitching allowed 13 home runs to the Jays in a span of 14 innings.

 

Just something for those of you who think the game lacks offense any more…

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

Red Sox pitching allowed 13 home runs to the Jays in a span of 14 innings.

 

Just something for those of you who think the game lacks offense any more…

 

From an up close and personal perspective from a SOX fan there's definitely a lack of pitching.

[dgalehouse]

Weber pitched like he has a girlfriend in Worcester. {And he wants to be with her. }

[Thunder]

Tomorrow's a new day. Can't live in the past.

[moonslav59]

Tomorrow's a new day. Can't live in the past.

 

Exactly. Two wins in a row, and the attitude flips like a light switch.

[moonslav59]

Those runs are unearned. Won't hurt Arroyo's ERA.

 

He now leads the team in ERA.

[jung]

The Rays lost 4 in a row in early April. They've aslo lost 3 in a row two times and 4 out of 5 two times- one not part of the 3 in a row subset.

 

The CWS have not lost 4 in a row and only lost 3 straight once and 4 of 5 once (part of the 3 straight subset).

 

The A's started the season losing 6 straight and have lost 3 straight and 4 of 5 a couple times each.

 

The Astros lost 6 straight and 9 out of 10. They lost 4 straight another time and 3 straight tow other times.

 

SF has only lost 3 straight once.

 

LAD has 4 straight once and has lost 3 straight three time and had one stretch going 4-14. Much worse than anything we have done.

 

Watch how long some of our losing streaks will get without a stopper. You don't think these Starters are capable of 2 turns through the rotation that are crap? Two turns is 10 games! Even if you can get one of these guys to not s*** the bed two straight times through where does that leave you? Do the math.

 

Two of our wins in this stretch were gifts from the baseball gods. The baseball gods have a way of evening out their contributions to teams.

 

It unfortunately appears to be the kind of Sox team I watched years and years ago. All hit, can't pitch worth snot.

Edited June 13, 2021 by jung

[moonslav59]

Watch how long some of our losing streaks will get without a stopper. You don't think these Starters are capable of 2 turns through the rotation that are crap? Two turns is 10 games! Even if you can get one of these guys to not s*** the bed two straight times through where does that leave you? Do the math.

 

Two of our wins in this stretch were gifts from the baseball gods. The baseball gods have a way of evening out their contributions to teams.

 

It unfortunately appears to be the kind of Sox team I watched years and years ago. All hit, can't pitch worth snot.

 

I never hinted that we can't lose 4 in a row or more. I'm pretty sure we will, at some point and maybe more than just once.

 

As of now, we've lost 3 straight, three times. That's it.

 

We've had these winning streaks:

9

5

4

4

3

3

3

 

Are you saying we can't have some more winning streaks?

[jung]

I never hinted that we can't lose 4 in a row or more. I'm pretty sure we will, at some point and maybe more than just once.

 

As of now, we've lost 3 straight, three times. That's it.

 

We've had these winning streaks:

9

5

4

4

3

3

3

 

Are you saying we can't have some more winning streaks?

 

I am saying that the rotation was pitching over its head when we had that early 9 game winning streak. They are coming back to what we should have expected. This team is capable now of losing 4 straight more than once for what remains of this season and I have little faith in teams that can lose 4 straight. Generally speaking its a sure sign that your pitching sucks.

 

I think they will make the post season because if you can breath you make the post season. The number of teams that don't just tells you how many sucky teams there are. Once we get there, teams will be starting their top 3 starters more often that not. Who do we have that can match that? Erod, Perez, and who????? I am not going to depend on a guy that is recovering from TJ to be a major post season contributor till I see him pitch regardless of how much Dave O'Brian wants to push that narrative.

 

Right now we need to hit a stretch of sucky teams that can't hit their weight. The starters are either wild in the strike zone, (death against a team that can actually hit) or are wild outside the strike zone. I prefer wild outside the strike zone even if it puts runners on base. Lately the rotation has been both and neither is a good thing.

 

Really location is more important than pitch type for ML hitters. If you keep pitching the ball right down Main St it really does not matter to good hitters if its a slider, curve, fb, cutter or change. They are going to hit it hard somewhere. If you can locate without getting predictable, the hitter is at a disadvantage no matter what you are throwing.

[Thunder]

During the 9 game win streak, many here were calling for Richards' head. Pivetta was walking every 3rd man and Perez looked flat.

[moonslav59]

I am saying that the rotation was pitching over its head when we had that early 9 game winning streak. They are coming back to what we should have expected. This team is capable now of losing 4 straight more than once for what remains of this season and I have little faith in teams that can lose 4 straight. Generally speaking its a sure sign that your pitching sucks.

 

I think they will make the post season because if you can breath you make the post season. The number of teams that don't just tells you how many sucky teams there are. Once we get there, teams will be starting their top 3 starters more often that not. Who do we have that can match that? Erod, Perez, and who????? I am not going to depend on a guy that is recovering from TJ to be a major post season contributor till I see him pitch regardless of how much Dave O'Brian wants to push that narrative.

 

Right now we need to hit a stretch of sucky teams that can't hit their weight. The starters are either wild in the strike zone, (death against a team that can actually hit) or are wild outside the strike zone. I prefer wild outside the strike zone even if it puts runners on base. Lately the rotation has been both and neither is a good thing.

 

Really location is more important than pitch type for ML hitters. If you keep pitching the ball right down Main St it really does not matter to good hitters if its a slider, curve, fb, cutter or change. They are going to hit it hard somewhere. If you can locate without getting predictable, the hitter is at a disadvantage no matter what you are throwing.

 

Almost every team has already lost 4 straight, so does that mean no team can win?

 

Even not counting the 9 game streak, we've also won 5 straight, 4 straight twice and 3 straight 3 times.

 

I think it is safe to say we will have some winning streaks to come, too.

 

Although we have not lost 4 straight, yet, while most good teams have, I think we will lose 4 or more straight at some point- maybe multiple times.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. Our starters no longer look as good as we hoped,

 

I'm just saying we are streaky- both ways.

[jung]

Almost every team has already lost 4 straight, so does that mean no team can win?

 

Even not counting the 9 game streak, we've also won 5 straight, 4 straight twice and 3 straight 3 times.

 

I think it is safe to say we will have some winning streaks to come, too.

 

Although we have not lost 4 straight, yet, while most good teams have, I think we will lose 4 or more straight at some point- maybe multiple times.

 

I'm not disagreeing with you. Our starters no longer look as good as we hoped,

 

I'm just saying we are streaky- both ways.

 

So if you want me to say there are no great teams this year, there are certainly no teams that can sustain themselves against injury. They are all carrying too many pitchers and not enough everyday players. Oddly enough, we have not had much in the way of injury to the everyday players that have been for any sustained period of time. That worries me as well because I doubt that we will go a full season that way and there is no bench strength on this team just as there isn't anywhere in baseball these days.

 

One of our posters asked about a week ago in a game thread if anybody would trade JD for a front line starter. Since I really question what sort of front line starter you would get back for JD I said I did not want to take JD out of this batting order. Now, I would do it in spite of the impact to the offense.

 

Even if Sale comes back, he is not enough and there is no guarantee that Sale comes back. Further there is no guarantee that he comes back initially to the rotation. Erod may not pitch better than he is for the rest of this season. Frankly I doubt he will. Nate throws too hard early in games. It flattens out his pitches and he gets tagged by teams that can hit. So now what...depending on Richards, Pivetta and Perez?

Edited June 13, 2021 by jung

[Larry Cook]

Good news today: Toronto finally stopped scoring.

 

Bad news today: Perez pitching at Fenway is scary!

[moonslav59]

So if you want me to say there are no great teams this year, there are certainly no teams that can sustain themselves against injury. They are all carrying too many pitchers and not enough everyday players. Oddly enough, we have not had much in the way of injury to the everyday players that have been for any sustained period of time. That worries me as well because I doubt that will go a full season that way and there is no bench strength on this team just as there isn't anywhere in baseball these days.

 

One of our posters asked about a week ago in a game thread if anybody would trade JD for a front line starter. Since I really question what sort of front line starter you would get back for JD I said I did not want to take JD out of this batting order. Now, I would do it in spite of the impact to the offense.

 

Even if Sale comes back, he is not enough and there is no guarantee that Sale comes back. Further there is no guarantee that he comes back initially to the rotation. Erod may not pitch better than he is for the rest of this season. Frankly I doubt he will. Nate throws too hard early games. It flattens out his pitches and he gets tagged by teams that can hit. So now what...depending on Richards, Pivetta and Perez?

 

I never expected us to compete for a ring in 2021, even after winning 9 straight.

 

I though the best we could expect was to compete for the WC and maybe surprise for a round of two in the playoffs, if everything went right.

 

Well, about everything has gone about as well as we could expect, and we are in the lead for the WC slot (3 games ahead of the second contender- the Guardians).

 

I'm not thinking making trades that sacrifice any promising younger players to try and win, this year is logical. I'm thinking JD for a good SP'er, this summer is not going to happen. No contender trades a good starter to another contender.

 

At best, we can hope Sale amazes us, Brasier contribute and maybe Houck comes back. Then, we trade Chavis and maybe some other non promising prospect(s) for a salary dump or two (RP'er and OF/1B?).

 

That might inch us closer to improving our odds at advancing farther in the playoffs.

 

I can't see us doing anything big enough to make us serious contenders, this year.

 

Does anyone really want us to trade top prospects for a long shot chance?

 

Now, maybe some of you do not like teh chance of someone like Downs or Duran becoming an impact player, so trading one plus some others for Scherzer might make us a top 4=5 contender, but I seriously think that happens.

 

We are not trading JD for a good starter. The only way he gets traded is for prospects.

[Thunder]

I didn't think we were a playoff team at the start of the year and didn't think we had a shot to get there, even if everything went according to plan. I still think we're going to miss the playoffs, but then each day goes by and we're still battling for the best record in the AL. Even after our so called cold stretches, we emerge in pretty decent shape. I hope we can hang around long enough, but if not, so be it. There are better things to do in life than getting emotionally caught up in what a professional baseball team is doing on a daily basis for the better part of 6 months.

[a700hitter]

No reason to take Weber out. Let him work on some pitches while he's out there. Btw, might be a good idea to provide Weber and most of our starters with an L-Screen to prevent injuries.

He was working on his tape measure home run pitch all afternoon.

[a700hitter]

Breaking news:

 

The 11 earned runs charged to Weber actually lowered his lifetime ERA.

That is both hysterically funny and pathetic.

[SoxHop]

Gosh dang. I semi watched this game as I played it on the TV while some friends were over and no one else was paying attention to the game. Well, I got called out for swearing out of the blue as I check the score from time to time. This was a horror show.

 

I recently mentioned that we hadn't had many games where we seemed out of it in the early innings. And we have had a heap of them in the last couple weeks.

 

A couple of losses to the Jays really doesn't mean all that much. But how we are losing the last couple of weeks does.

[SoxHop]

I didn't think we were a playoff team at the start of the year and didn't think we had a shot to get there, even if everything went according to plan. I still think we're going to miss the playoffs, but then each day goes by and we're still battling for the best record in the AL. Even after our so called cold stretches, we emerge in pretty decent shape. I hope we can hang around long enough, but if not, so be it. There are better things to do in life than getting emotionally caught up in what a professional baseball team is doing on a daily basis for the better part of 6 months.

 

Thanks for the advice. Are you a life coach or something? Are you saying we should all just go knit a sweater or something?

[a700hitter]

I was listening to this slaughter on the radio. In the 5th inning after the Red Sox scored 2 runs to make it 13 to 3, Castiglione said that those “add on” runs could be important. The other guy in the booth practically choked. I would term those runs as “ pile on” runs, not “add on” runs.

[SPLENDIDSPLINTER]

I believe we're gonna have to bring in our 'stopper' tomorrow on short rest to start another winning streak. Here's the ball, Moon. Give us your best shot.

[TylerD]

One scary thing to keep in mind is Toronto had a lot of injuries and players missing for most of this season so far. They are finally getting healthy and have a full team outside of Springer and they are looking like a power house. I believe we are currently 4-4 against them ? Or 4-3. Whatever it is, but they are catching fire, getting healthy and hitting their stride….. we on the other hand are going backwards. HOWEVER, our bullpen is still playing very good as of late, and we still have a great offense. Unfortunately when the starters are losing you the game by the third inning, there isn’t much the offense or bullpen can do.

 

Is this just a bad stretch that every team has? Maybe……and if that is the case, then we will bounce back and still compete all year. Or….. is this what the starting rotation is actually capable of?? Sucking horse s*** and blowing games before the bullpen can even have a chance at saving it.

 

I really don’t know…. And nobody on this board does so let’s not pretend we are experts and can predict the future. All I know is the starting rotation through the last 25 games has been atrocious. Wouldn’t be surprised if we were dead last in ERA through that 25 game stretch. If that continues, we WILL NOT make playoffs and that is just a straight up fact. Time will tell whether this is just a bad stretch (25 games in my opinion is more than a stretch) or if this is the actual rotation….. which is dog s***.