Since they lost last night, I need to tell you what I REALLY feel about the 2021 Sox!

[mvp 78]

It’s Kaleb Ort time!!

 

Don't soil your shorts! Call up Kaleb Ort!

[mvp 78]

There is an old axiom in baseball that you can not tell the team you have until they have played fifty games. Well with forty five in the bag, this team is better than the one I thought they would be in February. Yes they still have some holes, I do not expect Cordero to be on the big club much longer, but help in on the way. If they continue to play this way Bloom will definitely be a buyer come the trade deadline. I think it is reasonably to expect this team to contend for a playoff spot. Whatever happens I look forward to every game they play. I could not say that about last years team.

 

What if they end the 50 games on an 0-5 streak?

[Elktonnick]

What if they end the 50 games on an 0-5 streak?

What if an asteroid ends all life on earth?

[Bellhorn04]

What if an asteroid ends all life on earth?

 

That would be better than the Sox losing their next 5.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

There is an old axiom in baseball that you can not tell the team you have until they have played fifty games. Well with forty five in the bag, this team is better than the one I thought they would be in February. Yes they still have some holes, I do not expect Cordero to be on the big club much longer, but help in on the way. If they continue to play this way Bloom will definitely be a buyer come the trade deadline. I think it is reasonably to expect this team to contend for a playoff spot. Whatever happens I look forward to every game they play. I could not say that about last years team.

 

I'm looking forward to the trade deadline, because I think it will answer a lot of questions about Bloom.

[moonslav59]

I'm looking forward to the trade deadline, because I think it will answer a lot of questions about Bloom.

 

...and our spending plan for 2021.

[Elktonnick]

That would be better than the Sox losing their next 5.

I think you Nova Scotians have been in Covid lockdown too long!

[notin]

I'm looking forward to the trade deadline, because I think it will answer a lot of questions about Bloom.

 

If they stay in first, they should be buyers. But what if they’re 5 games out?

[mvp 78]

If they stay in first, they should be buyers. But what if they’re 5 games out?

 

Depends on what they're selling.

[iortiz]

IMO Bloom won’t risk the future next summer regardless the situation, BUT he definitely will try to grab some under-the-radar pieces to round this team If this team keeps looking as a legit contender at the time.

 

If this is true, I have no problem with that.

[mvp 78]

IMO Bloom won’t risk the future next summer regardless the situation, BUT he definitely will try to grab some under-the-radar pieces to round this team If this team keeps looking as a legit contender at the time.

 

If this is true, I have no problem with that.

 

I doubt he'll dump anything that he sees as having long term value. Maybe he sells high on a player he doesn't like?

[moonslav59]

We might be buyers and sellers, if we are close.

 

Any player that will be a FA, and we have no interest in bringing back might be on the table, with the possible exception of Barnes.

 

I doubt we trade any prospect or younger player we think has a decent chance at being part of our future.

 

There may be a few prospects, even some that are somewhat highly ranked, that Bloom may not value that highly, who might be traded, but I doubt we do anything major.

 

I think we trade some far-away prospects for salary dump players that can help this year and maybe trade 1-2 free agents-to-be for something useful.

 

If we are out of it, all bets are off. We traded a few in 2020. We might again, this year, if we are 7 down and looking bad.

[Elktonnick]

We might be buyers and sellers, if we are close.

 

Any player that will be a FA, and we have no interest in bringing back might be on the table, with the possible exception of Barnes.

 

I doubt we trade any prospect or younger player we think has a decent chance at being part of our future.

 

There may be a few prospects, even some that are somewhat highly ranked, that Bloom may not value that highly, who might be traded, but I doubt we do anything major.

 

I think we trade some far-away prospects for salary dump players that can help this year and maybe trade 1-2 free agents-to-be for something useful.

 

If we are out of it, all bets are off. We traded a few in 2020. We might again, this year, if we are 7 down and looking bad.

 

Make no mistake whether the Red Sox are buyers or sellers or neither won't be up to Bloom. This will be an ownership decision.

[notin]

Make no mistake whether the Red Sox are buyers or sellers or neither won't be up to Bloom. This will be an ownership decision.

 

One could argue ownership hired Bloom to make that decision.

 

He’s the Chief Baseball officer. Above him, the only guy paying attention to day-to-day stuff is probably Kennedy...

[moonslav59]

Make no mistake whether the Red Sox are buyers or sellers or neither won't be up to Bloom. This will be an ownership decision.

 

Some moves might not need Henry's blessing.

[Bellhorn04]

Some moves might not need Henry's blessing.

 

I think the only part Henry would be greatly interested in is whether moves put us over the tax threshold.

[moonslav59]

Some moves might not need Henry's blessing.

 

Or, involve major future expenditures or radically change the make-up of the team or finances.

[Bellhorn04]

Or, involve major future expenditures or radically change the make-up of the team or finances.

 

Which we know Bloom won't do.

[Elktonnick]

One could argue ownership hired Bloom to make that decision.

 

He’s the Chief Baseball officer. Above him, the only guy paying attention to day-to-day stuff is probably Kennedy...

 

That has not been Henry's or Werner's MO since 2003. The Leopard doesn't change his spots. Moreover since the collapse of the so called European Super League Henry and Werner have more time on their hands and are not as preoccupied with European football as they have been in the past year which was the major reason why we haven't heard much from ownership in the past few months.

Edited May 21, 2021 by Elktonnick

[Bellhorn04]

That has not been Henry's or Werner's MO since 2003. The Leopard doesn't change his spots. Moreover since the collapse of the so called European Super League Henry and Werner have more time on their hands and are not as preoccupied with European football as they have been in the past year which was the major reason why we haven't heard much from ownership in the past few months.

 

What exactly are you talking about?

[Elktonnick]

What exactly are you talking about?

 

Did you not know that Werner and Henry spent the last year trying to create a European Soccer super League involving Liverpool (the club they own) Man U and the other top English Premier League teams along with Real Madrid and other non English teams. The proposed league collapsed and is an immense embarrassment for Henry who has managed to piss off most English football fans over his involvement in the proposed new league.

[Larry Cook]

Did you not know that Werner and Henry spent the last year trying to create a European Soccer super League involving Liverpool (the club they own) Man U and the other top English Premier League teams along with Real Madrid and other non English teams. The proposed league collapsed and is an immense embarrassment for Henry who has managed to piss off most English football fans over his involvement in the proposed new league.

 

English soccer fans were picketing against USA owners like Henry! It could have gotten really ugly!

[Bellhorn04]

Did you not know that Werner and Henry spent the last year trying to create a European Soccer super League involving Liverpool (the club they own) Man U and the other top English Premier League teams along with Real Madrid and other non English teams. The proposed league collapsed and is an immense embarrassment for Henry who has managed to piss off most English football fans over his involvement in the proposed new league.

 

Yes I knew that. I'm asking what you mean about Henry's MO since 2003 on deadline decisions. The first big deadline decision under Henry was in 2004 when we traded Nomar, and as far as I know that was Theo's call all the way. When has Henry not left those calls to his head of baseball ops?

[Elktonnick]

Henry has either approved or vetoed every major move by his baseball ops people. They make recommendations to ownership for final decision. That is the way it works in Boston and every major sports organization. Fans only know of a disagreement between ownership when their fire their hirelings and they leave. Unlike Steinbrenner Henry generally avoids the limelight but that doesn't mean he does not have the final say on any and all major moves just like Steinbrenner. One doesn't become a multi billionaire by relinquishing the purse strings to a paid employee.

[Bellhorn04]

Henry has either approved or vetoed every major move by his baseball ops people. They make recommendations to ownership for final decision. That is the way it works in Boston and every major sports organization. Fans only know of a disagreement between ownership when their fire their hirelings and they leave. Unlike Steinbrenner Henry generally avoids the limelight but that doesn't mean he does not have the final say on any and all major moves just like Steinbrenner. One doesn't become a multi billionaire by relinquishing the purse strings to a paid employee.

 

Was trading Nomar a "major move"? Because all the reports indicate that was Theo's call.

 

If you're talking about big free agent contracts, then of course ownership has to approve those.

[notin]

Henry has either approved or vetoed every major move by his baseball ops people. They make recommendations to ownership for final decision. That is the way it works in Boston and every major sports organization. Fans only know of a disagreement between ownership when their fire their hirelings and they leave. Unlike Steinbrenner Henry generally avoids the limelight but that doesn't mean he does not have the final say on any and all major moves just like Steinbrenner. One doesn't become a multi billionaire by relinquishing the purse strings to a paid employee.

 

That’s not what you said at all in post 224. Here you say Henry has final approval. Ten posts back, you said ownership makes the initial decision...

[Elktonnick]

That’s not what you said at all in post 224. Here you say Henry has final approval. Ten posts back, you said ownership makes the initial decision...

 

Here is my exact statement "Make no mistake whether the Red Sox are buyers or sellers or neither won't be up to Bloom. This will be an ownership decision."

 

Ownership makes all major decisions. Buying or selling at the trade deadline such as trading Nomar is a major decision. Moreover I never used the word initial that was your contribution to the discussion.

 

You may wish to read John Henry's tweet on Feb 17,2020. I think it is clear from that lengthy tweet the role that ownership played in the Nomar decision as well as the Betts move and other significant moves this franchise has made since become owners.

Edited May 23, 2021 by Elktonnick

[notin]

Here is my exact statement "Make no mistake whether the Red Sox are buyers or sellers or neither won't be up to Bloom. This will be an ownership decision."

 

Ownership makes all major decisions. Buying or selling at the trade deadline such as trading Nomar is a major decision. Moreover I never used the word initial that was your contribution to the discussion.

 

You may wish to read John Henry's tweet on Feb 17,2020. I think it is clear from that lengthy tweet the role that ownership played in the Nomar decision as well as the Betts move and other significant moves this franchise has made since become owners.

 

No.

 

That tweet does not say who makes the calls at all. It keeps everything in a vague state about the organization. I suppose if someone desperately wanted to interpret that tweet hat way, thy could probably find something that might support a biased fantasy, I guess. Like where it says "Clubs also have to make choices." I mean, if you believe this means the principal ownership group is making the choices, then yeah., it's Henry to you. But like everything in that tweet, it's all pretty vague and non-specific.

 

And it certainly does not definitively support the idea that Henry is making the call all by himself...

[Bellhorn04]

This all started with the question of who makes the call on whether we're buyers or sellers at the deadline.

 

Generally that is dictated by the circumstances at the time.

 

Also generally, it doesn't involve big outlays of cash because what you're buying is tail ends of contracts, and what you're paying with is prospects.

 

I believe Henry would leave most of this in Bloom's hands, yes.

[Bellhorn04]

What Elktonnick seems to be suggesting is that Henry and Werner are in the mood to make a splash, especially after the soccer fiasco.

 

But they didn't hire Bloom to make expensive splashes, certainly not this year anyway.