Rock Bottom, 2021 AL East

[dannycater]

Go Sox!!! Woo-hoo 6-game win streak...the fun is back, Cora is back..JD is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack, baby

[a700hitter]

Can we "handle it?" Some of us went decades without a ring.

i think he was saying that we don’t savor winning when we are winning. I think there is something to that. Red Sox fans imo are excellent winners, no gloating or trash talking, but we are lousy whiny losers. Yankee fans are excellent losers. They lick their wounds quietly and congratulate the victors, but they are obnoxious, loud, rub your face in it winners.

[Hitch]

And I guess that you have crawled out of your hole to ruin our good times?

 

You're very fragile if my mere posting ruins anything for you.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

i think he was saying that we don’t savor winning when we are winning. I think there is something to that. Red Sox fans imo are excellent winners, no gloating or trash talking, but we are lousy whiny losers. Yankee fans are excellent losers. They lick their wounds quietly and congratulate the victors, but they are obnoxious, loud, rub your face in it winners.

 

Ya, thanks, 700. I certainly celebrate when they win it all. But old Sox fans know better than to maniacally bang on walls when the game is still in question... even when, say, a team's ace closer comes in to face a 20-year old rookie (named Devers).

[cp176]

This is a baseball fan forum. Yes, many, many of your brethren gloated when the sox were crushing it in 2018. I would have been too if I was a sox fan. When your team is better, I can take the punishment, the question is can you handle the reverse? Also, life is too short to feel relief when your team wins a title. Enjoy the run and feel the pain if the run comes crashing down, yet celebrate when they reach the mountain top. It's the beauty of life as a fan. Don't let it pass you by, life is too short

 

This is a good post that relates to much more than a simple baseball game or two. Since the world of athletics certainly including baseball has turned more and more political, I have lost interest more and more in a game that I have always loved dearly. It is all ok though, it simply seems to just be the way life is these days.

[jacksonianmarch]

Can we "handle it?" Some of us went decades without a ring.

 

4 titles in 17 years has spoiled a fair amount of your younger fans

[jacksonianmarch]

i think he was saying that we don’t savor winning when we are winning. I think there is something to that. Red Sox fans imo are excellent winners, no gloating or trash talking, but we are lousy whiny losers. Yankee fans are excellent losers. They lick their wounds quietly and congratulate the victors, but they are obnoxious, loud, rub your face in it winners.

 

That’s pretty accurate

[moonslav59]

i think he was saying that we don’t savor winning when we are winning. I think there is something to that. Red Sox fans imo are excellent winners, no gloating or trash talking, but we are lousy whiny losers. Yankee fans are excellent losers. They lick their wounds quietly and congratulate the victors, but they are obnoxious, loud, rub your face in it winners.

 

I'm hoping there's some sarcasm, here.

[moonslav59]

4 titles in 17 years has spoiled a fair amount of your younger fans

 

Probably, and even some of the vets.

 

Much comes down to expectations. Not many Sox fans had high expectations, this year- some had none or next to none. If we win, this year, we'll see how many gloat.

 

If we lose, they'll be whiners as with any normally winning team falling on hard times, but I don't think we'll see as much as, say 2019.

[moonslav59]

That’s pretty accurate

 

Except for the Yankee fans "not gloating" when winning part.

Edited April 13, 2021 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

4 titles in 17 years has spoiled a fair amount of your younger fans

 

We're mostly oldsters here.

[Bellhorn04]

Except for the Yankee fans "not gloating" when winning part.

 

He said Yankee fans are obnoxious winners.

[moonslav59]

He said Yankee fans are obnoxious winners.

 

Indeed. My bad.

[Maxbialystock]

I guess I remain the lone dissenter because I see little value in stoicism during a lousy season. Better to vent. Heck, I can remember going ape during the 2018 season when I thought Cora made a bad move with the bullpen.

 

My current whine--better than red or white--is with the blackout restriction.

 

With the Sox now at 6-3, I am nevertheless borderline ecstatic because I expected bullpen collapses as well as horrible starts by an unpromising rotation made slightly worse by a porous defense. I foresaw maybe 4 bats (JDM, Bogie, Devers, and Vazquez) in the lineup dragged down by the little sisters of poor hitting.

[Maxbialystock]

We're mostly oldsters here.

 

Not only oldsters, but oldsters related to deceased who suffered through most of the 86 year curse without seeing the 2004 ALCS to end all ALCS's plus beating the Cardinals 4-0.

[a700hitter]

You're very fragile if my mere posting ruins anything for you.

I didn’t say that you ruined anything. I attributed to you the intent to ruin. Big distinction.

[a700hitter]

I'm hoping there's some sarcasm, here.

Having lived among Yankee fans my whole life, I think it is pretty much dead on accurate as confirmed by Jacko.

[a700hitter]

Except for the Yankee fans "not gloating" when winning part.

Did you you read until the end of my post?

 

...but they are obnoxious, loud, rub your face in it winners.

[notin]

Having lived among Yankee fans my whole life, I think it is pretty much dead on accurate as confirmed by Jacko.

 

I would guess I have been around at lot fewer Yankee fans than you, but I don't think I have seen the "graceful losing" stuff as often as you say. And I have even run into enough of them who think that when the Yankees lose, it is part of a MLB Front Office conspiracy to keep them down...

[moonslav59]

Did you you read until the end of my post?

 

I already admitted I misread your post.

 

My eyes are worse than I thought.

 

Again, "my bad."

[moonslav59]

I guess I remain the lone dissenter because I see little value in stoicism during a lousy season. Better to vent. Heck, I can remember going ape during the 2018 season when I thought Cora made a bad move with the bullpen.

 

My current whine--better than red or white--is with the blackout restriction.

 

With the Sox now at 6-3, I am nevertheless borderline ecstatic because I expected bullpen collapses as well as horrible starts by an unpromising rotation made slightly worse by a porous defense. I foresaw maybe 4 bats (JDM, Bogie, Devers, and Vazquez) in the lineup dragged down by the little sisters of poor hitting.

 

I'm fine with venting. I do it myself, often.

 

I was the first to jump ship in 2019.

 

Hyper criticism over every small thing gets to me, at times, and that in itself is bitching about something, too.

 

[a700hitter]

I already admitted I misread your post.

 

My eyes are worse than I thought.

 

Again, "my bad."

I didn’t see your prior post before I posted. My bad.

[moonslav59]

I would guess I have been around at lot fewer Yankee fans than you, but I don't think I have seen the "graceful losing" stuff as often as you say. And I have even run into enough of them who think that when the Yankees lose, it is part of a MLB Front Office conspiracy to keep them down...

 

The Yankee fans I know and knew were insufferable- when winning or losing or in between. Just about all of 'em.

[a700hitter]

I would guess I have been around at lot fewer Yankee fans than you, but I don't think I have seen the "graceful losing" stuff as often as you say. And I have even run into enough of them who think that when the Yankees lose, it is part of a MLB Front Office conspiracy to keep them down...

They are much better losers than winners, in my experience, which is far vaster than I would like.

[moonslav59]

They are much better losers than winners, in my experience, which is far vaster than I would like.

 

I do agree with this, and for the older people, I think it's because they still know they have more rings than anyone else, by far. ("Scoreboard!")

 

I think Sox fans are pretty (comparatively) reserved as winners, perhaps because they know they went decade after decade without winning a ring.

[notin]

They are much better losers than winners, in my experience, which is far vaster than I would like.

 

Well, as you are in NY, maybe the local fans have more humility.

[notin]

I do agree with this, and for the older people, I think it's because they still know they have more rings than anyone else, by far. ("Scoreboard!")

 

I think Sox fans are pretty (comparatively) reserved as winners, perhaps because they know they went decade after decade without winning a ring.

 

At some point, clinging to the 27 rings does get very meaningless. How many other events prior to World War II do people still brag about? Name one other event that happened in 1936 people still take pride in.

 

In the last 40 seasons - and even that might go back too far for relevance for a lot of people - they have won 5 titles, just ahead of Boston. While that would still be the most in baseball for that timeframe, but then going back that far, the low budget Twins, and the perpetually hapless Royals and Marlins (all with 2 apiece) also make the list of multiple winners...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They are much better losers than winners, in my experience, which is far vaster than I would like.

 

This. I've lived smack-dab between New York and Boston all my life, and maybe because fandom runs about 50-50 here -- with real baseball fans, not kids wearing NY caps because rappers do -- maybe the poor winners have more competition with each other.

 

But before '04, I never saw the point of Yankee fans rubbing it in the faces of fans whose team NEVER won in my lifetime. I just assumed they were scared, knowing that the Red Sox were often a threat to someday changing their way of life forever more...

[Hitch]

I didn’t say that you ruined anything. I attributed to you the intent to ruin. Big distinction.

 

 

And attributed to me the power apparently, to ruin our good times, through merely being back posting. Otherwise why would anyone think to bring such a thing up? As I said, pretty fragile stuff. Maybe stick me on ignore, enjoy life, be ruin-less. You're not getting any younger.

[Hitch]

The Yankee fans I know and knew were insufferable- when winning or losing or in between. Just about all of 'em.

 

I lived in NYC for a spell. This was my feeling for them, too.

 

Then again, that's my feeling for most sports fans. Not the most reasonable of groups of people, are we, after all.

Edited April 13, 2021 by Hitch