A Realistic View at 2021: Part II

[Nick]

So I will tell you I took much grief from many of you about Duran.

 

It was my contention that he can help us BASED ON WHAT BLOOM HAD SAID ABOUT HIM.

 

My point was NOT that he'd be starting CF (it's ok if he can keep the job) but that maybe he can help us.

 

What the f*** do we have to lose with trying out these players? He's not 18, he's 25 or something.

 

We're playing for the pennant. Send his ass back down if he's NOT helping.

 

Why NOT exhaust every avenue trying to make the team better?

[Nick]

Many wanted Duran called up when Bloom thought he was ready.

 

You and others wanted him called up way before now.

 

So you think he got better the last 30 days?

[Nick]

People were saying Duran was going to play everyday when called up. That’s not necessary the case either.

 

Nick and I and few others were all hands on in Duran’s calling up.

 

I guess we see eye to eye things like Bloom does lol

 

You have good memory.

[iortiz]

Many wanted Duran called up when Bloom thought he was ready.

 

You and others wanted him called up way before now.

 

Nahhh not that way before.

 

A month or so. I bet Bloom had him in his mind as well since then. Probably earlier.

 

Some people thought he was not going to be called up at all and pointed out only the “negatives”.

 

Nick and I and few others thought just the opposite.

 

Said that and as Nick said, we literally don’t lose anything if he shits the bed this year.

Edited July 15, 2021 by iortiz

[moonslav59]

I think he may have been pulled due to injury. No reason to pull him otherwise unless a deal is finalized.

 

Very likely, yes, but maybe the deal just has not been announced, yet.

[iortiz]

So I will tell you I took much grief from many of you about Duran.

 

It was my contention that he can help us BASED ON WHAT BLOOM HAD SAID ABOUT HIM.

 

My point was NOT that he'd be starting CF (it's ok if he can keep the job) but that maybe he can help us.

 

What the f*** do we have to lose with trying out these players? He's not 18, he's 25 or something.

 

We're playing for the pennant. Send his ass back down if he's NOT helping.

 

Why NOT exhaust every avenue trying to make the team better?

Agree 100%

 

It’s called common sense.

[moonslav59]

So you think he got better the last 30 days?

 

Yes.

 

He gained more experience and likely improved his defense, which was his highest need area.

 

Look, if Bloom called him up and May, I'd have said that was when he was ready.

 

You guys said he was ready and should have been called up almost from day one.

 

Some even wanted him called up in April, unaware he had not been playing at all, since AAA did not start until early May.

 

How are those wanting him called up in May or June more right than those of us who wanted him called up when Bloom thought he was ML ready and could play enough to justify a call-up?

 

I'm not claiming I was more right than anyone, but I chuckle at those who are now- 2-3 months later than they wanted.

[iortiz]

You have good memory.

 

Yessir

 

I guess Bloom sees things as we do lol

[moonslav59]

So I will tell you I took much grief from many of you about Duran.

 

It was my contention that he can help us BASED ON WHAT BLOOM HAD SAID ABOUT HIM.

 

My point was NOT that he'd be starting CF (it's ok if he can keep the job) but that maybe he can help us.

 

What the f*** do we have to lose with trying out these players? He's not 18, he's 25 or something.

 

We're playing for the pennant. Send his ass back down if he's NOT helping.

 

Why NOT exhaust every avenue trying to make the team better?

 

We've given many reasons why. Maybe they didn't outweigh the reasons to call him up in your mind and others, but they did to Bloom until now.

[moonslav59]

Nahhh not that way before.

 

A month or so. I bet Bloom had him in his mind as well since then. Probably earlier.

 

Some people thought he was not going to be called up and pointed out only the “negatives”.

 

Nick and I and few others thought just the opposite.

 

Said that and as Nick said, we literally don’t lose anything if he shits the bed this year.

 

Yes, way before, and of course Bloom "had him in mind" way before today. Nobody claimed otherwise.

 

He was called up when he was ready and can play enough to not be stunted in his growth.

 

It's really as simple as that, and that is the position many of us had all along. We trusted Bloom knew the right time better than we did.

 

Many wanted him called up long ago or a month ago. They trusted their own opinion more than Bloom's. That's the facts.

[moonslav59]

Yessir

 

I guess Bloom sees things as we do lol

 

Then he'd have called him up last month or earlier.

[iortiz]

Yes.

 

He gained more experience and likely improved his defense, which was his highest need area.

 

Look, if Bloom called him up and May, I'd have said that was when he was ready.

 

You guys said he was ready and should have been called up almost from day one.

 

Some even wanted him called up in April, unaware he had not been playing at all, since AAA did not start until early May.

 

How are those wanting him called up in May or June more right than those of us who wanted him called up when Bloom thought he was ML ready and could play enough to justify a call-up?

 

I'm not claiming I was more right than anyone, but I chuckle at those who are now- 2-3 months later than they wanted.

 

You go with the easy way “he is ready when Bloom says so”

 

Cmon moon, act like a man. JK lol

[Tedballgame]

Why do we keep Potts on the 40 man roster?

 

Potential power hitting 3B.

[moonslav59]

You go with the easy way “he is ready when Bloom says so”

 

Cmon moon, act like a man. JK lol

 

I realize my opinion was "easy," but I never pretended to know more than Bloom. I trusted he knew better.

 

I really like Duran. I was hoping all along Bloom thought he was ready. It wasn't like I was hoping he didnt think he was ready or personally felt he was not ready, even now.

 

I wasn't "right" or "wrong."

 

Some wanted him making the opening day roster after a nice spring.

Some wanted him called up in April, May or June.

 

How are these people right?

 

They took a firmer position than I did, for sure, but they weren't any more right than I and other were.

[iortiz]

Then he'd have called him up last month or earlier.

 

I meant the “calling up”, not the “when”.

 

At the time Nick and few others like me said that it made all the sense of the world and most posters bashed him and me while presenting all kind of negative arguments. That discussion was few weeks ago.

 

Most people thought he wasn’t going to be be called up this year.

 

Said that hopefully this kid splashes this year and becomes a super star moving forward.

[moonslav59]

I meant the “calling up”, not the “when”.

 

At the time Nick and few others like me said that it made all the sense of the world and most posters bashed him and me while presenting all kind of negative arguments. That discussion was few weeks ago.

 

Most people thought he wasn’t going to be be called up this year.

 

Said that hopefully this kid splashes this year and becomes a super star moving forward.

 

"Most people?"

 

Almost everyone felt he'd at least be called up in September.

 

Many, like myself, never named a date or claimed he was ready or not ready.

 

No way "most people thought he wasn’t going to be be called up this year."

 

You're trippin'.

[oldtimer]

Duran was ready to be called up when Bloom called him up.

 

That time is now.

 

Trust in Bloom.

 

I opined that Duran would be called up right after the AS Break based on the Sox removing his availability to play on the Olympic team. He will start in CF tomorrow night in Yankee Stadium. The other, less likely scenario was they made the move to trade him. I got a lot of flack for my opinion but it turned out to be right on. Now I hope those seeming opposed to have him come up, and by doing so improve the team, will give him the same break that was advocated for Santana. Is this young man a sure thing? Of course not but he does give us a speedy player with some pop in his left handed bat. I will stay optimistic and look for him to be a help. I believe Bloom and Cora have seen enough to believe he is better than some alternatives.

[moonslav59]

I , for one, am thrilled Duran's ML career begins tomorrow.

 

He gives us a lot of upside potential I'm not seeing in Santana, Chavis and Marwin.

 

I think we can work out some sort of resting rotation whereby Duran can play 7-9 games out of10 without forcing anyone but maybe Dalbec to play less than 8-9 games out of 10.

 

8-9 out of 10: Renfroe, Verdugo & Kike

7-9 out of 10: Arroyo & Duran

6-7 out of 10: Dalbec

[oldtimer]

Many wanted Duran called up when Bloom thought he was ready.

 

You and others wanted him called up way before now.

Will you stop the negativity? Enough of the constant bashing of the idea of calling up a top prospect when others used in the first half were marginal. Let's now see what he can do to help this team.

[iortiz]

"Most people?"

 

Almost everyone felt he'd at least be called up in September.

 

Many, like myself, never named a date or claimed he was ready or not ready.

 

No way "most people thought he wasn’t going to be be called up this year."

 

You're trippin'.

 

When the discussion came up, most people included you were against on calling him up this year. Go figure!

Edited July 15, 2021 by iortiz

[iortiz]

I opined that Duran would be called up right after the AS Break based on the Sox removing his availability to play on the Olympic team. He will start in CF tomorrow night in Yankee Stadium. The other, less likely scenario was they made the move to trade him. I got a lot of flack for my opinion but it turned out to be right on. Now I hope those seeming opposed to have him come up, and by doing so improve the team, will give him the same break that was advocated for Santana. Is this young man a sure thing? Of course not but he does give us a speedy player with some pop in his left handed bat. I will stay optimistic and look for him to be a help. I believe Bloom and Cora have seen enough to believe he is better than some alternatives.

 

Good call ot.

 

Yeah, the bashing and the negativity at the time was all over the place.

[iortiz]

Most people in social media are excited with this kid mostly in Twitter.

 

Hopefully he splashes this year.

[moonslav59]

When the discussion came up, most people included you were against on calling him up this year. Go figure!

 

That's a blatant lie. Find one quote where I said don't call him up this year. (Plus, I don't think anyone else said that either. Zero while you are saying "most.")

 

I never said we should not call him up. My position has been 100% consistent- "Call him up when Bloom thinks he's ready and can play enough."

[moonslav59]

Good call ot.

 

Yeah, the bashing and the negativity at the time was all over the place.

 

Who was "bashing" Duran?

 

When?

 

Find one "bashing" quote- just one.

 

The only "negativity," if you want to call it that concerned his defense, lack of experience or his recently changed approach at the plate that might need more time.

 

Nobody bashed Duran- not even Ghost, and he bashes every Sox player.

[iortiz]

That's a blatant lie. Find one quote where I said don't call him up this year. (Plus, I don't think anyone else said that either. Zero while you are saying "most.")

 

I never said we should not call him up. My position has been 100% consistent- "Call him up when Bloom thinks he's ready and can play enough."

 

So are you in the call up Duran bandwagon band now? Lol

 

Good!

[moonslav59]

Will you stop the negativity? Enough of the constant bashing of the idea of calling up a top prospect when others used in the first half were marginal. Let's now see what he can do to help this team.

 

Come on old-timer. I'm not the one throwing wrong positions in other's faces like iortiz has been doing.

 

My position was not negative. I love Duran and trusted Bloom knew when he was ready and would play enough.

 

Some wanted him called up a month or more ago, before Bloom thought the time was right. Taking victory laps over wrong positions and then saying most wanted him called up next year deserves being called out as wrong.

 

You nailed the timing of the call up dead on. Kudos to you.

 

iortiz and others wanted him called up long ago. They were not right.

 

Some may have guessed he would not be called up until August or September, but they weren't bashing Duran.

 

I took the "easy" position of saying he's ready when Bloom says he is. I'm not claiming victory, nor should I.

 

I'm not the one lying about people's positions.

[iortiz]

Who was "bashing" Duran?

 

When?

 

Find one "bashing" quote- just one.

 

The only "negativity," if you want to call it that concerned his defense, lack of experience or his recently changed approach at the plate that might need more time.

 

Nobody bashed Duran- not even Ghost, and he bashes every Sox player.

 

I meant bashing people few weeks ago who were all hands on calling Duran this year like Nick and ot.

 

Said that most people also found more cons than pros on calling Duran this year. That’s a fact.

[iortiz]

Come on old-timer. I'm not the one throwing wrong positions in other's faces like iortiz has been doing.

 

My position was not negative. I love Duran and trusted Bloom knew when he was ready and would play enough.

 

Some wanted him called up a month or more ago, before Bloom thought the time was right. Taking victory laps over wrong positions and then saying most wanted him called up next year deserves being called out as wrong.

 

You nailed the timing of the call up dead on. Kudos to you.

 

iortiz and others wanted him called up long ago. They were not right.

 

Some may have guessed he would not be called up until August or September, but they weren't bashing Duran.

 

I took the "easy" position of saying he's ready when Bloom says he is. I'm not claiming victory, nor should I.

 

I'm not the one lying about people's positions.

Now I’m serious moon.

 

Act like a man.

 

Whether you were against in calling up Duran or not doesn’t make you a bad fan, but some people here bashed some posters like Nick, ot and me when we thought it made sense to call him up this year.

 

Don’t twist things.

[moonslav59]

Now I’m serious moon.

 

Act like a man.

 

Whether you were against in calling up Duran or not doesn’t make you a bad fan, but some people here bashed some posters like Nick, ot and me when we thought it made sense to call him up this year.

 

Don’t twist things.

 

You act like a man. You claimed I was against calling him up when you knew my position was not even close to that. You lied.

 

You man up and admit it.

 

You said people bashed Duran and were full of "negativity", but now you say they bashed supporters of calling him up way before he was called up. Man up and admit your claim was wrong. Nobody bashed Duran.

 

Yes, some people criticized people for acting like they knew better than Bloom, and let's not sugar coat it. Those who screamed for him to be called up "NOW" were indirectly saying Bloom was wrong not to call him up 3, 4, 6 or 8 weeks ago. Hell, some wanted him on the opening day roster.

 

Now, you run around patting yourself on the back and making claims that are totally false about other people's positions, including my own, and I'm supposed to "man up?"

 

LOL!

 

I feel like I'm talking to Swihart's Ghost, here. Come on!

 

You know damn well I never even came close to hinting at the idea Duran should not be called up, this year. I never named a date, at all.I took the 'easy" position as you called it a few minutes ago, by saying he's ready when Bloom says he is, then, all of a sudden youc laim I held a different position.

 

Get a grip, dude.

[moonslav59]

Questioning posters who felt Duran should have been called up before or long before Bloom wanted him called up was not bashing them.

 

Many even said, after the questioning, things like, "Yes, I trust Bloom knows what he's doing."

 

I sympathized with the frustrations we all felt watching player after player fail their test (Cordero, Santana and others) and how we all felt the sense of urgency that comes with wanting to win a ring.

 

I wasn't bashing anyone. I was supporting Bloom's knowledge, patience and decison-making.