A Realistic View at 2021: Part II

[moonslav59]

No. 1 prospect Wander getting called up

 

ST. PETERSBURG -- Baseball’s best prospect is about to be a big leaguer.

 

Infielder Wander Franco, the consensus No. 1 prospect in baseball the past two years, is expected to be called up on Tuesday, the club announced Sunday night.

 

The switch-hitting standout will join the Rays on Tuesday for their series opener against the Red Sox at Tropicana Field. Having lost six in a row as well as ace Tyler Glasnow over this past week, Tampa Bay is in need of a spark. Now, the defending American League champions, with a wealth of young talent atop baseball’s No. 1 farm system, are ready to unleash the game’s next young star upon the Majors.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/wander-franco-rays-callup

 

Good thing he doesn't play for the Sox. He'd be stuck in minors for couple of more years. "He's not ready. Not enough at bats at AAA, forget that he went from A+ to AAA, skipping AA."

 

Nick, this kid is not in the same league as Duran and Casas. Although he's just 20, he has over 200 games under his belt at a position he has played his whole life.

 

The Sox do have a history of fast-tracking some players. They don't hold everyone back.

 

Duran switched positions, recently and changed his batting approach, recently.

 

Why don't you trust Bloom & Co. to know when he is "ready?"

[notin]

When was the last time a guy was "stuck" in AAA for the Sox? Mo Vaughn?

 

Vaughn only played 2+ seasons in the minors.

 

Now Hall of Famer Wade Boggs was a player truly stuck in the minors, and even he only got called up not because he was crushing MiLB pitching for the previous 6 years, but rather because the extremely bland Dave Stapleton got injured...

[jacksonianmarch]

You’ll add a 1b and a pen arm, most likely. Maybe a back end starter. I doubt it will cost you much

[mvp 78]

Vaughn only played 2+ seasons in the minors.

 

Now Hall of Famer Wade Boggs was a player truly stuck in the minors, and even he only got called up not because he was crushing MiLB pitching for the previous 6 years, but rather because the extremely bland Dave Stapleton got injured...

 

A case could be made that Vaughn should have started 1991 on the opening day roster after having an OPS above 900 at AAA for the previous partial year. In 1990, he was just a beast playing for PAW and clearly better than everyone else on the field.

[mvp 78]

You’ll add a 1b and a pen arm, most likely. Maybe a back end starter. I doubt it will cost you much

 

Trey Mancini for Dalbec and Mata.

[moonslav59]

Betts

Bogaerts

Devers

Benintendi

JBJ

 

Which of those guys were 'stuck in minors' before being called up?

 

I felt they rushed Bogey by only giving him 10 games at 3B before calling him up and throwing him at a new position in the middle of a playoff race, but he handled it well.

 

I guess he was "ready."

 

Many felt we called JBJ up too quickly (not me), bt after his poor start, I wondered.

 

Pedey started off very slowly, and many felt they rushed him, then BAM- ROY!

 

Many said Devers was a "panic" move.

 

 

[moonslav59]

All of you took my bait.

 

My point is there's not a 'book' that you go by. Each player is different. Sometimes situation dictates the move. Has Glasnow been healthy and Rays were in first place by comfortable margin, Rays may not needed to call up their #1 prospect.

 

I've been on this board long time and there's always that group that wants 100% assurance that a minor leaguer is "ready" to move up. I'm not pointing out to any specific player.

 

Tanner Houck really doesn't have much of major league experience but I'm glad Sox gave him a 'look' last year. Despite his inexperience everyone seem to agree we could use his arm in the rotation. Funny that. Sometimes you just take a leap of faith.

 

Moncada certainly was a hot topic before being called up. Just look it up.

 

Yes, each player is "different," but you seem to know Duran is ready.

 

Tell us why you feel Duran deserves a "leap of faith," and why you know more than Bloom & Co.?

 

He is new to the OF and changed his approach not long ago. He did not play, last year.

 

He has had long stretches of struggling at the plate, and even slumped somewhat not long ago- this year.

 

Just because Santana sucks does not make Duran any more "ready."

 

The last reason to call some one up is our of desperation.

[Nick]

Nick, this kid is not in the same league as Duran and Casas. Although he's just 20, he has over 200 games under his belt at a position he has played his whole life.

 

The Sox do have a history of fast-tracking some players. They don't hold everyone back.

 

Duran switched positions, recently and changed his batting approach, recently.

 

Why don't you trust Bloom & Co. to know when he is "ready?"

 

I doubt Bloom will make a 'big splash' at trade deadline.

 

This team is going to rely much more on players that are developed within the system.

 

We survived the Cordero experiment. We're still in 1st place. (he seems to have bounced back, did not go in the deep end)

 

We're surviving with Dalbec at 1B despite the fact that we're one of the worst when it comes to production out of 1B. Being very patient may payoff here.

 

We should be open to all and any possibilities to improve.

 

I trust that Bloom will do great. This here is a fan forum. It'd be no fun if we all agreed on everything.

[moonslav59]

Houck was also helped by the fact that the team was going nowhere when they called him up. What was the worst that could happen? We sink further into last place?

 

Much less of a pressure situation for Houck.

[notin]

A case could be made that Vaughn should have started 1991 on the opening day roster after having an OPS above 900 at AAA for the previous partial year. In 1990, he was just a beast playing for PAW and clearly better than everyone else on the field.

 

Does this case involve showing no love for Carlos Quintana?

[moonslav59]

I doubt Bloom will make a 'big splash' at trade deadline.

 

This team is going to rely much more on players that are developed within the system.

 

We survived the Cordero experiment. We're still in 1st place. (he seems to have bounced back, did not go in the deep end)

 

We're surviving with Dalbec at 1B despite the fact that we're one of the worst when it comes to production out of 1B. Being very patient may payoff here.

 

We should be open to all and any possibilities to improve.

 

I trust that Bloom will do great. This here is a fan forum. It'd be no fun if we all agreed on everything.

 

I'm fine with anyone wanting Duran called up. I want him called up, too! AS SOON AS HE'S READY!

 

Whenever you make your opinion known on Duran, you seem to imply Bloom is making a big mistake. Like you know better.

 

I know you trust and like Bloom, and maybe it's just the way you word your opinions that seem to get under my skin, sometimes.

 

I'm dying to see Duran get a shot, but maybe- just maybe, he's not not quite ML ready, and maybe, they think blasting him into a big pressure situation is not good for him. Who knows all the reasons, they are holding off. We have mentioned several possible reasons that all have merit, but for all we know, the reasons Bloom & Co. have may be different from what we have been posting.

[notin]

Trey Mancini for Dalbec and Mata.

 

Can the Sox really afford less pitching depth?

[moonslav59]

Can the Sox really afford less pitching depth?

 

The one thing to think about is that some of our pitching prospects are not "Bloom guys," and maybe he does not think some of them will ever amount to much.

 

He may "value" them less than other GMs, which is often the basis of a trade- next to filling needs.

[notin]

Trey Mancini for Dalbec and Mata.

 

At first glance, this trade does look very fair. BTV loves it, giving Mancini a surplus value of 20.7 and the Dalbec/Mata package a value of 21.5.

 

It’s a good trade short term. Giving up Mata would be tough here, however. It’s certainly one that would make me hesitate, but not decline outright. And really, that should be the case with every fair trade. Well done…

[notin]

The one thing to think about is that some of our pitching prospects are not "Bloom guys," and maybe he does not think some of them will ever amount to much.

 

He may "value" them less than other GMs, which is often the basis of a trade- next to filling needs.

 

Absolutely.

 

I’m still of the mindset that the Sox desperately need pitching prospects. And while true, it doesn’t mean any or all of the ones they have will ever amount to much…

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

At first glance, this trade does look very fair. BTV loves it, giving Mancini a surplus value of 20.7 and the Dalbec/Mata package a value of 21.5.

 

It’s a good trade short term. Giving up Mata would be tough here, however. It’s certainly one that would make me hesitate, but not decline outright. And really, that should be the case with every fair trade. Well done…

 

I just don't see a guy like Bloom trading his top pitching prospect unless it's for a young future star like Arozarena. Or -- unless he's planning on drafting a new No. 1 pitching prospect...

[mvp 78]

Does this case involve showing no love for Carlos Quintana?

 

Quintana had a 737 OPS in 1990. I don't think that was holding Mo back. Quintana was no Brian Daubach, that's for sure.

[mvp 78]

I just don't see a guy like Bloom trading his top pitching prospect unless it's for a young future star like Arozarena. Or -- unless he's planning on drafting a new No. 1 pitching prospect...

 

Mata can't stay healthy. I don't think he's the #1 pitching prospect anymore.

 

The trade provides upside to the other team and immediate results for the Sox. I think it's a fair deal.

 

Also, I don't think the high minors talent affects who the Sox take at #4.

[mvp 78]

Can the Sox really afford less pitching depth?

 

Mata isn't depth for this year and probably not even depth for 2022.

[notin]

Mata isn't depth for this year and probably not even depth for 2022.

 

So if you’re the GM of the Orioles, do you pull the trigger, knowing what you know about Mata?

[Nick]

I'm fine with anyone wanting Duran called up. I want him called up, too! AS SOON AS HE'S READY!

 

Whenever you make your opinion known on Duran, you seem to imply Bloom is making a big mistake. Like you know better.

 

I know you trust and like Bloom, and maybe it's just the way you word your opinions that seem to get under my skin, sometimes.

 

I'm dying to see Duran get a shot, but maybe- just maybe, he's not not quite ML ready, and maybe, they think blasting him into a big pressure situation is not good for him. Who knows all the reasons, they are holding off. We have mentioned several possible reasons that all have merit, but for all we know, the reasons Bloom & Co. have may be different from what we have been posting.

 

It's all good....

 

My #1 priority is to stretch out Whitlock and make him a starter.

 

For pitching gurus, can we do that during regular season and also pitch in relief at the same time? Just wondering.

 

Can we make him the "opener" and increase his pitch count steadily? I know nothing about pitching and rest.

I also want to see Cordero come up one more time.

Edited June 21, 2021 by Nick

[mvp 78]

So if you’re the GM of the Orioles, do you pull the trigger, knowing what you know about Mata?

 

Yes? I'd probably counter with Houck and Dalbec, just because of Mata's current health status.

 

I think the O's are still years away from competing. Mancini will be gone by the time that happens.

[notin]

I just don't see a guy like Bloom trading his top pitching prospect unless it's for a young future star like Arozarena. Or -- unless he's planning on drafting a new No. 1 pitching prospect...

 

 

As much as I like Mata, no team is giving up a young future star for him….

[Nick]

It’s time to call up Jarren Duran

Let’s get that spark.

 

https://www.overthemonster.com/2021/6/21/22543422/boston-red-sox-roster-jarren-duran-call-up-the-time-is-now

 

Let's throw gasoline into our campfire....the writer makes compelling case.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

As much as I like Mata, no team is giving up a young future star for him….

 

Maybe not now when he's hurt, but one of his coaches last winter was raving he had the best stuff in the organization. Usually, it's the fans who overrate prospects (mainly because they want that hoard of rookie cards they're sitting on to bankroll their kid's college fund... or at least pay for turtle food).

[notin]

Yes? I'd probably counter with Houck and Dalbec, just because of Mata's current health status.

 

I think the O's are still years away from competing. Mancini will be gone by the time that happens.

 

The health status should be a big deal for Baltimore.

 

I do think that any team can be one year from competing if they make the right moves. Every year, some team or teams just manage to markedly improve despite what we all think of them in March. After all, Boston is doing just that right now. As is San Francisco and the Cubs. The Orioles probably have a similar mindset all winter…

[Nick]

Our top pitching prospects per SoxProspects.

 

Personally, I want to keep them all.

 

#5 Tanner Houck, 24, coming off IL, join the Sox after All Star break?

#6 Conner Seabold, 25, another depth piece coming off rehab.

#7 Thaddeus Ward, 24, TJS on 6/3/2021

#8 Aldo Ramirez, 20, Salem

#9 Bryan Bello, 22, just moved to AA Portland, shooting up through the system.

#11 Bryan Matta, 22, TJS on 4/13/2021

#12 Noah Song, 24, military service, no one knows his status

#14 Jay Groome, 22, I'd swear he should be 30, seems like he's been around forever.

 

I want a college starting pitcher with our #4 pick.

 

28 and Under

28 Nick Pivetta

28 Josh Taylor

28 Colten Brewer

28 E Rod

25 Garret Whitlock

25 Eduard Bazardo

24 Darwinzon

Edited June 21, 2021 by Nick

[moonslav59]

Absolutely.

 

I’m still of the mindset that the Sox desperately need pitching prospects. And while true, it doesn’t mean any or all of the ones they have will ever amount to much…

 

Bloom may like some, many or all of the pitching prospects he inherited, but chances are he like some much more than others.

[moonslav59]

It's all good....

 

My #1 priority is to stretch out Whitlock and make him a starter.

 

For pitching gurus, can we do that during regular season and also pitch in relief at the same time? Just wondering.

 

Can we make him the "opener" and increase his pitch count steadily? I know nothing about pitching and rest.

I also want to see Cordero come up one more time.

 

I don’t think it’s hard to stretch out a pitcher during a season, but the tricky part is to not max out his innings limit by August.

[mvp 78]

Bloom may like some, many or all of the pitching prospects he inherited, but chances are he like some much more than others.

 

So very true.