Beni traded to Royals

[notin]

Less Franchy’s salary.

 

A mere $800,000

[notin]

I can understand not wanting Cordero as the FT CF'er, but I doubt we add an aging CF'er, even if he accepts 2 years.

 

I doubt we're even talking to him, now.

 

Another trade may be in the works, as well as announcing the Sawamuro signing.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2021/02/boston-red-sox-hirokazu-sawamura-agree-to-two-year-24-million-contract-pending-physical-report.html

 

So far the Bradley speculation has come from "two rival GMs." Not exactly highly placed inside sources.

 

I have no problem bringing Bradley back, but so far all there is is the speculation of two unnamed and unconnected people...

[Northern Star]

No offense to anyone, including him, but I can't get excited about someone named Franchy.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think the trade of Benintendi is the prelude to signing JBJ . Perhaps a two year deal tops. I can't see Cordero as a full time center fielder. Slowly transition to Duran.

 

Agreed about Cordero, who has never been a full-time regular in the majors. But I'll still be shocked if the Sox sign JBJ to a multi-year, because it would go against everything that Bloom has stood for since he started here (plus, I don't think Bradley wants to play on a loser in a cold city).

 

However, I'd be happy if they ink JBJ (maybe Duran is the future leftfielder), because it would break a pattern and might mean a Devers extension is still possible -- instead of turning into the prospect bonanza that I expect.

[Northern Star]

Bloom is supposed to be a trading genius. Is his MO to get lots of pieces in return for a legit MLBer and hope that one or more of them hits?

 

I remember Dave Littleyield doing that with the Pirates almost 20 years ago, and the results were predictably pathetic (in part because Littleyield was a terrible evaluator of talent). That is not an approach I want to see the GM of the Boston Red Sox doing. You rarely hit the jackpot with $1 scratchcards.

[Northern Star]

Cordero's stats and age don't make me optimistic about his chances of being even equal to Beni at his best. But you never know. (Until he flames out...then you tend to know).

[a700hitter]

I remember Dave Littleyield doing that with the Pirates almost 20 years ago, and the results were predictably pathetic (in part because Littleyield was a terrible evaluator of talent). That is not an approach I want to see the GM of the Boston Red Sox doing. You rarely hit the jackpot with $1 scratchcards.

So far, he has signed a broken down starting pitcher for $10 million and a Mediocre utility player for 2 years/$14 million. He’s also traded a full time young outfielder for a marginal MLB Outfielder named Franchy, a no-name pitching prospect and a handful of PTBNL lottery tickets. And now he has signed a 32 year old reliever from Japan. Who wouldn’t be impressed?

[Swiharts Ghost]

Cordero's stats and age don't make me optimistic about his chances of being even equal to Beni at his best. But you never know. (Until he flames out...then you tend to know).

 

He’s 26 he’s been constantly injured he’s logged a grand total of 270 innings ...Franchy Cordero has as much chance to be sent down than he does starting anywhere for the Redsox .He has 2 options left so I’m viewing him as at best a platoon with Hunter and not sniffing CF Or RF unless the team is 30 games out .The Redsox outfield to me should be Hunter Duran Verdugo with Bobby maybe platooning between 1b and LF .I would spend the money saved on Benny and the rest on Paxton and Roll this team out excited and confident we have something here . I like Pax Erod Sale in a short series with a hot Devers Verdugo Duran Bogey bats leading the way .Duran Houck are the guys I’m really interested in as we head into spring training .

Edited February 11, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[jad]

I'd say using Fenway as a model goes back 30 years with the build of Camden Yards.

 

That's why I added "more than." 20, 30, 40 ... it's pretty much all the same to me. I just don't recall anyone ever saying "Wow. Here we are at beautiful Tropicana Field. 'The Trop'! ah how great to be at the ole park."

[Kimmi]

My initial reaction to this trade is that I don't like it. I am a believer that Beni will bounce back and that Beni should not be traded unless the trade really made a lot of sense. I'm not sure this one does. As someone who expects the team to compete this year, I don't think we should make moves that solely benefit the long term at the expense of this year anymore than we should make moves that solely benefit this year at the expense of the long term.

 

Clearly, this is a long term goal move. Will we be better off in the future for it? Probably. I will say that I am intrigued by Winckowski.

 

With that said, I will reserve my final judgment until we see what, if any, subsequent moves are made and until we see who the 3 PTBNLs are. Again, my initial reaction is that I don't like this trade, but it is far too soon to say whether it is a bad move or not.

[Kimmi]

The problem is that Henry made a deal with the devil when he hired DD. He brought in DD for the ring, got the ring and got the baggage that goes along with it. When you line up Theo, Ben, DD and Bloom, the odd man out is DD. His roster construction is antithetical to how the Sox had been previously built.

 

It's like I typed this post myself.

[moonslav59]

So far, he has signed a broken down starting pitcher for $10 million and a Mediocre utility player for 2 years/$14 million. He’s also traded a full time young outfielder for a marginal MLB Outfielder named Franchy, a no-name pitching prospect and a handful of PTBNL lottery tickets. And now he has signed a 32 year old reliever from Japan. Who wouldn’t be impressed?

 

When compared to all utility players, I'd call EHern one of the best.

 

Beni was not slated to be a FT LF'er for us, in 2021, so it's a little deceptive to say we traded a FT'er.

 

Nobody got too excited when we got Big Papi at age 27- not that Franchy Tuscadero will come close to what Papi became.

 

As for Sawamuro, who knows when signing guys like him. At $2.4M/2, it's hardly worth mentioning over the Renfroe signing and Ottavino trade.

 

This is what a cliff and rebuild looks like.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

So far, he has signed a broken down starting pitcher for $10 million and a Mediocre utility player for 2 years/$14 million. He’s also traded a full time young outfielder for a marginal MLB Outfielder named Franchy, a no-name pitching prospect and a handful of PTBNL lottery tickets. And now he has signed a 32 year old reliever from Japan. Who wouldn’t be impressed?

 

Don't they all seem like placeholders while we wait for some of the prospect accumulation to mature?

 

The thing is, fans need to see a few blue-chippers emerging to buy in -- which has been nigh impossible without much minor league ball happening (Covid and consolidation). It's hard to form opinions based almost entirely on reading reports and not watching actual players. Hopefully, we'll see Casas, Downs and Mata in Florida. Maybe Song will parachute in for a game...

[a700hitter]

When compared to all utility players, I'd call EHern one of the best.

 

Beni was not slated to be a FT LF'er for us, in 2021, so it's a little deceptive to say we traded a FT'er.

 

Nobody got too excited when we got Big Papi at age 27- not that Franchy Tuscadero will come close to what Papi became.

 

As for Sawamuro, who knows when signing guys like him. At $2.4M/2, it's hardly worth mentioning over the Renfroe signing and Ottavino trade.

 

This is what a cliff and rebuild looks like.

I think this is what surrender looks like.

[a700hitter]

When compared to all utility players, I'd call EHern one of the best.

 

He’s certainly now the highest paid utility players.

[moonslav59]

Cordero's stats and age don't make me optimistic about his chances of being even equal to Beni at his best. But you never know. (Until he flames out...then you tend to know).

 

He certainly could be a flame out like Willie Mo, and it's not like Bloom had a spotless record with trades and signings with the Rays. I'm cutting the guy some slack.

 

1. We don't know the pool of players he has to choose from with those 3 PTBNLs.

2. Winckowski sure looks like a throw-in, but he's ranked right behind Whitlock- a guy many here got a little excited about.

3. It's not like anyone here was sure Beni was going to bounce back. I keep hearing the term "sell low," and I used it myself a few times, but "sell low" means he's sucked, recently. Yes, we know Beni can be good: he showed us a few years back.

4. Franchy Tuscadero has had some success in the minors, as have many flame-outs, but he seems to have the tools to put up numbers as good or better than Beni. The high K rate is very concerning, but he's got speed and raw talent.

 

I'm holding off judgement, but I know that's a cop out, so if I had to call it right now, before we know who the 3 other players are, I think this is an okay move designed to give us some hope for the near future (3 years of Franchy vs 2 of Beni at a higher cost) and the longer term with the other 4 players.

[Bellhorn04]

Hernandez got a lot of playing time with the Dodgers. 462 PA's in 2018 and 460 in 2019. So he was playing about 2/3 of the time.

[moonslav59]

I think this is what surrender looks like.

 

Well, a cliff involves a bit of surrender.

[moonslav59]

He’s certainly now the highest paid utility players.

 

He was likely to get more PAs than Beni for us, in 2021. You know, the "FT'er" we just traded away.

[moonslav59]

Don't they all seem like placeholders while we wait for some of the prospect accumulation to mature?

 

The thing is, fans need to see a few blue-chippers emerging to buy in -- which has been nigh impossible without much minor league ball happening (Covid and consolidation). It's hard to form opinions based almost entirely on reading reports and not watching actual players. Hopefully, we'll see Casas, Downs and Mata in Florida. Maybe Song will parachute in for a game...

 

Maybe our biggest hope for a blue chip is with our next draft.

[Sox75]

This is feeling more & more like an old Ray's team.

[TylerD]

This is feeling more & more like an old Ray's team.

 

Might be the magic formula lol

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Maybe our biggest hope for a blue chip is with our next draft.

 

Maybe the next two drafts (maybe that's the idea). The Orioles may be worse than the Red Sox this year -- right now, last year's bottom team is still chasing last year's 4th place -- but at least Baltimore already has the 2019 #1 and the 2020 #2 guys in their system.

[jad]

Maybe the next two drafts (maybe that's the idea). The Orioles may be worse than the Red Sox this year -- right now, last year's bottom team is still chasing last year's 4th place -- but at least Baltimore already has the 2019 #1 and the 2020 #2 guys in their system.

 

Wow. We're better than the Orioles!!! Too bad it's not 1968.

[Bellhorn04]

Wow. We're better than the Orioles!!! Too bad it's not 1968.

 

You and 5Gloves are in a neck-and-neck race for the 2021 Grumpy Cynic With Sarcasm-Laced Posts Award.

[moonslav59]

Welcome to "The Cliff."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You and 5Gloves are in a neck-and-neck race for the 2021 Grumpy Cynic With Sarcasm-Laced Posts Award.

 

But we may be the only finalists that keep watching (I did last year). And I'd gladly be the '68 Orioles and finish second this year... if what followed them, also happens to us: becoming arguably the best team in the past half-century... yup, I'd settle for 335 wins in the next three seasons after this one.

[jad]

But we may be the only finalists that keep watching (I did last year). And I'd gladly be the '68 Orioles and finish second this year... if what followed them, also happens to us: becoming arguably the best team in the past half-century... yup, I'd settle for 335 wins in the next three seasons after this one.

 

Ha ha! Only now, the Orioles we have surpassed are the 2019-2020 Orioles.

 

This reminds me of years ago when I lived in New Orleans: when they first built the Superdome and began selling season tix, some long-time fans were appalled to discover that instead of seats on the 50-yard-line, they were moved to the endzone. The response of the team? "We want our fans to think, not in terms of sidelines, but rather in terms of levels." That is, a seat in the second level would cost the same regardless of where it was. The complaints about seating, thus, was officially defined as a problem with fans, not with the organization.

[notin]

But we may be the only finalists that keep watching (I did last year). And I'd gladly be the '68 Orioles and finish second this year... if what followed them, also happens to us: becoming arguably the best team in the past half-century... yup, I'd settle for 335 wins in the next three seasons after this one.

 

I think you mean 318 wins.

 

And were they better than the ‘72-74 Oakland A’s, a team that only won 277 games but actually won three World Series titles as opposed to going 1-2?

[notin]

You and 5Gloves are in a neck-and-neck race for the 2021 Grumpy Cynic With Sarcasm-Laced Posts Award.

 

Wait! They’re different people!?!!?