Yankees 2021 Season Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

Don’t think the Astros were a bad team. Do think they got some serious help late due to their cheating which contributed to our losses. The Springer HR off Ottavino. The Altuve HR off Chapman. That’s just 19. Good pens were wrecked by HRs off them in Houston in those two series and the cheating definitely had something to do with it

[jacksonianmarch]

That being said, no excuse for this year. Team should have been better. Offense couldn’t get off the ground. Team built to be too one sided. Managerial team unable to adjust or motivate. Can’t fire the players

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That being said, no excuse for this year. Team should have been better. Offense couldn’t get off the ground. Team built to be too one sided. Managerial team unable to adjust or motivate. Can’t fire the players

 

The reason the Yankees have been vastly overrated the past few years is that they feature below-average players at two vital defensive positions: shortstop and catcher. Clubs can bash their way to the postseason, but will be inevitably exposed if inferior at two key positions. Maybe the Red Sox can advance with Devers and Bogaerts, who both won in the past. It remains to be seen if Toronto isn't ultimately sabotaged by Bichette, who leads the majors in errors at shortstop.

[Bellhorn04]

The reason the Yankees have been vastly overrated the past few years is that they feature below-average players at two vital defensive positions: shortstop and catcher. Clubs can bash their way to the postseason, but will be inevitably exposed if inferior at two key positions. Maybe the Red Sox can advance with Devers and Bogaerts, who both won in the past. It remains to be seen if Toronto isn't ultimately sabotaged by Bichette, who leads the majors in errors at shortstop.

 

Bogaerts and Bichette are 4-5 win players. They are not problems.

[Bellhorn04]

I do not know if Cashman goes, if he does, so be it. But I doubt it would surprise anyone if the Yanks got a new managerial team and they absolutely destroyed the AL next year like they were supposed to this year.

 

Destroy the AL next year?

 

Good to see your dream never dies.

[mvp 78]

"Supposed to." LOL

[moonslav59]

Maybe it is time to finally face the fact that the yanks just are not as good as they look on paper.

 

Blaming injuries, which happen very often to the types of players the yanks have is not an excuse.

 

Blaming the manager can only explain some of the problems.

 

Blaming the GM shows the roster was not all that great to begin with.

 

With Torres at SS and Sanchez at C, I doubt any manger would lead this team to domination.

 

Playoffs? Probably.

 

Domination? I think not. The Rays and Astros are pretty damn good.

[Bellhorn04]

Maybe it is time to finally face the fact that the yanks just are not as good as they look on paper.

 

Agreed.

 

They were 33-27 in 2020.

 

Their big offseason moves were Kluber and Taillon replacing Tanaka and Happ.

 

They have not had any significant influx of young talent this year.

 

There's nothing that says there's a great team hidden in there.

 

But a suitable new GM and manager could certainly put them on the right track.

[mvp 78]

Agreed.

 

They were 33-27 in 2020.

 

Their big offseason moves were Kluber and Taillon replacing Tanaka and Happ.

 

They have not had any significant influx of young talent this year.

 

There's nothing that says there's a great team hidden in there.

 

But a suitable new GM and manager could certainly put them on the right track.

 

Yankees players are supposed to either get better or maintain an elite level, otherwise it's underperforming!

[moonslav59]

Agreed.

 

They were 33-27 in 2020.

 

Their big offseason moves were Kluber and Taillon replacing Tanaka and Happ.

 

They have not had any significant influx of young talent this year.

 

There's nothing that says there's a great team hidden in there.

 

But a suitable new GM and manager could certainly put them on the right track.

 

One big point made by jacko was that the Yankee farm was not only great, but it had ML ready players ready to contribute in big ways.

 

The guy we got from them on Rule 5 has done better than anyone they have called up.

[Kimmi]

I wouldn't say it is all over just yet , but a rather large female opera singer was observed warming up her vocal chords somewhere in The Bronx , N.Y.

 

The Yankees have too many games left against the Sox and the Jays to say it's over. Of course, the Yankees would have to win both series, at minimum, but I wouldn't count them out, as much as I'd like to.

[moonslav59]

The Yankees have too many games left against the Sox and the Jays to say it's over. Of course, the Yankees would have to win both series, at minimum, but I wouldn't count them out, as much as I'd like to.

 

Each head to head game is a 2 game swing.

 

Yes, anything can still happen.

[jacksonianmarch]

Each head to head game is a 2 game swing.

 

Yes, anything can still happen.

 

Especially for a talented team that has underachieved.

[moonslav59]

Especially for a talented team that has underachieved.

 

How many years in a row have they "underachieved?"

 

I'm not saying they haven't, but there comes a point where you have to start thinking maybe the expectations were too high to begin with.

 

Maybe they are who they are.

 

I happen to think a better manager could get more from the same guys, but I also think Cashman has some serious roster construction ability flaws.

[iortiz]

The way I see it (and have seen for a long time), at this point nothing is worth for NY other than a ring. Period. Not winning the division nor making the WS but winning a ring —no matter how.

 

They won't get a ring going like this. They can "fix" some issues here and there but the core (if there is a core at all) isn't simply a WS caliber one. It hasn't been in the last decade even whether some teams looked like it. This is what I've been saying for a long time. If they want to win a WS again, they have to rebuild the team starting at the FO while changing their philosophy and baseball operations. Baseball is a unique sport these days. Money won't guarantee championships these days as it used to anymore, and is really rare to see teams winning WSs in consecutive years as the Yankees did decades ago. It has turned very competitive mostly since technology, and plenty of teams have money as well.

Edited September 21, 2021 by iortiz

[jacksonianmarch]

One big point made by jacko was that the Yankee farm was not only great, but it had ML ready players ready to contribute in big ways.

 

The guy we got from them on Rule 5 has done better than anyone they have called up.

 

Never said we had MLB ready position player prospects, but multiple MLB ready pitching prospects

 

Clarke Schmidt was a top 100 prospect. Elbow injury in ST knocked out 5 months of his season

Deivi Garcia, who was pretty solid last year in his debut as a 20 yr old, lost his mechanics and is going to need another minor league year to find the zone again

Luis Gil has been solid, made 6 MLB starts post ASB and has been really good, if not erratic in the zone

Nick Nelson, throws smoke, great MiLB numbers, shits the bed when he gets to the bigs

Abreu has a massive arm and has had runs of success in between stinkers where he cannot get anyone out

 

We had position player depth, but not prospects.

Mike Ford had a solid debut in 19. Sucked so bad this year he was DFAd.

Thairo Estrada had a solid debut in 19 and wasn't used last year. He was dealt to SF where he has been really good as a super utility guy

Tyler Wade has earned our super sub role and has been really good as a versatile defender with a good eye and great glove

[moonslav59]

Never said we had MLB ready position player prospects, but multiple MLB ready pitching prospects

 

Clarke Schmidt was a top 100 prospect. Elbow injury in ST knocked out 5 months of his season

Deivi Garcia, who was pretty solid last year in his debut as a 20 yr old, lost his mechanics and is going to need another minor league year to find the zone again

Luis Gil has been solid, made 6 MLB starts post ASB and has been really good, if not erratic in the zone

Nick Nelson, throws smoke, great MiLB numbers, shits the bed when he gets to the bigs

Abreu has a massive arm and has had runs of success in between stinkers where he cannot get anyone out

 

We had position player depth, but not prospects.

Mike Ford had a solid debut in 19. Sucked so bad this year he was DFAd.

Thairo Estrada had a solid debut in 19 and wasn't used last year. He was dealt to SF where he has been really good as a super utility guy

Tyler Wade has earned our super sub role and has been really good as a versatile defender with a good eye and great glove

 

I never said position players, either.

 

Some of the guys you are talking about, here, are not even the ones you mentioned in March.

 

That's a good thing, in some ways, but many of your younger players and ML prospects were let-downs or got injured.

 

The fact is, you have less than 100 IP from any pitcher under 26.

99.1 IP and a 5.07 ERA (.757 OPS Against)

 

Sure, you got value from your 26 year olds:

2.79 in 84 IP Cortes Jr.

2.25 in 68 IP Loaisiga

3.36 in 56 IP M King

 

But, you ranted at the clear edge the yanks had over the Sox in young pitchers and pitching depth. We have nearly double the IP'd by our under 26 pitchers and much better results:

 

180 IP and 3.03 ERA (.665 OPS Against)

 

Offense under 26?

 

Sox .794 in 1471 PAs

Yanks .693 in 499 PAs

 

26 Y/O's

 

BOS

.804 Dalbec in 428 PAs

.777 Arroyo in 175

.497 Cordero in 136

 

NYY

.633 Frazier in 218 PAs

.667 Andujar in 162

.688 T Wade in 140

.621 Velazquez in 65

 

[bkzwhitestrican]

Nice to see Severino finally make it back to the bigs, it's been a long road for him. The odds of the Yankees both making it to the wild card game and then winning it aren't too favorable, BUT if they are able to advance then their rotation and bullpen should be setup well (assuming no new injuries or setbacks). The only two starters on the Yanks who I'd have be actual starters in the POs (meaning that they'd go through the order more than twice) are Cole and Montgomery. I'd then have Kluber/Taillon/Cortes/German as 3 inning pitchers and have them piggyback off each other. Adding Severino and King to the bullpen gives them two more high leverage/multi-inning options.

 

Now all they have to do is win these next 10 games

[jacksonianmarch]

If only Boone could realize that Kluber is a 3 inning guy at this point.

 

Now, I know I’m assuming a lot here, but if the yanks do progress past a play in game having used Cole, I’d go JMont, Kluber/Sevy, Gil/King/German, Cole. With multiple guys coming back late from injury, we are gonna need to use guys for a single turn through the lineup then switch it up

[mvp 78]

If only Boone could realize that Kluber is a 3 inning guy at this point.

 

Now, I know I’m assuming a lot here, but if the yanks do progress past a play in game having used Cole, I’d go JMont, Kluber/Sevy, Gil/King/German, Cole. With multiple guys coming back late from injury, we are gonna need to use guys for a single turn through the lineup then switch it up

 

It's an ok idea. Just tough to have 3 bullpen arms that you are saving for certain day. You want to lengthen the pen, not shorten it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Stanton just looked like he got hurt. He took a swing and slipped and limped off

[jacksonianmarch]

And Taillon’s season is done. Just came out due to ankle. My bet is he gets surgery

[moonslav59]

Dropping like flies.

 

It seems to be the Yankee M.O.

[jacksonianmarch]

Stanton didn’t get hurt apparently. He just smashed a three run bomb

[bkzwhitestrican]

No limp on that one

[jacksonianmarch]

Big win last night. Sounds like Loaisiga will be activated when Taillon goes back on the injured list. That will leave a bunch of really intriguing long relief options for this team. We will almost be copying the Rays blue print although they don’t have starters like Cole and Montgomery. Kluber is trending towards being another starter with Cortes being up there too.

 

But the long relief options are awesome.

 

King has been great as a reliever this year

Peralta has been lights out as a Yankee

Holmes has been even better as a Yankee

Severino hasn’t allowed a run since he came back

Green has been his usual reliable self

Loaisiga has been lights out all year

Luetge has been a revelation all year

 

The versatility of these relievers and their ability to provide depth will be enormous for the Yanks should they clinch a playoff spot or make a deep PO run. For now, though, they need to focus on the Jays to make it there

[dgalehouse]

Big win last night. Sounds like Loaisiga will be activated when Taillon goes back on the injured list. That will leave a bunch of really intriguing long relief options for this team. We will almost be copying the Rays blue print although they don’t have starters like Cole and Montgomery. Kluber is trending towards being another starter with Cortes being up there too.

 

But the long relief options are awesome.

 

King has been great as a reliever this year

Peralta has been lights out as a Yankee

Holmes has been even better as a Yankee

Severino hasn’t allowed a run since he came back

Green has been his usual reliable self

Loaisiga has been lights out all year

Luetge has been a revelation all year

 

The versatility of these relievers and their ability to provide depth will be enormous for the Yanks should they clinch a playoff spot or make a deep PO run. For now, though, they need to focus on the Jays to make it there

Loaisiga has been the missing link. And Severino is a big addition. The bullpen is possibly the most important thing in baseball today. Almost all close games come down to a battle of the bullpens. And there are many close games.

[jacksonianmarch]

And Cole struggling off the rip

[Bellhorn04]

And Cole struggling off the rip

 

He hasn't been as good since the sticky stuff ban. Still good, and occasionally dominating, but a lot more off games.

[jacksonianmarch]

He hasn't been as good since the sticky stuff ban. Still good, and occasionally dominating, but a lot more off games.

 

Not really true. He scuffled a bit after the ban and then ran off a ridiculously dominant run. Once he pulled his hammy, he’s been mortal