Yankees 2021 Season Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

This is the Yankees. They’re operating like the Cubs. The Red Sox have been more Yankee like over the past 15 years, going after the very top players in trades, spending past the thresholds, and winning titles. Once George went into the ground, the Yanks have been acting like a business and it’s pissed off the fan base. Cashman had done well given his constraints, but he flubbed this year.

[Kimmi]

This is the Yankees. They’re operating like the Cubs. The Red Sox have been more Yankee like over the past 15 years, going after the very top players in trades, spending past the thresholds, and winning titles. Once George went into the ground, the Yanks have been acting like a business and it’s pissed off the fan base. Cashman had done well given his constraints, but he flubbed this year.

 

At least the Yankees haven't lost the past 2 days.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sometimes the 'on paper' thing is quite meaningless. Kluber and Taillon were both big gambles with a huge range of possible outcomes. All you could really do was see what happens.

 

That was the point I tried to make all winter. It was never about comparing whether New York was better than Boston (the Red Sox finished dead last with the worst starting pitching in club history; a playoff team like the Yanks better be better...). But I can't remember a past where prognosticators or oddsmakers ever decided that "big gambles" made a team the heavy favorite.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

You’re showing your age

 

That -- and we also have to go back a ways when the Yanks used to stockpile legitimate star pitchers to actually win titles.

[Bellhorn04]

That was the point I tried to make all winter. It was never about comparing whether New York was better than Boston (the Red Sox finished dead last with the worst starting pitching in club history; a playoff team like the Yanks better be better...). But I can't remember a past where prognosticators or oddsmakers ever decided that "big gambles" made a team the heavy favorite.

 

Kluber and Taillon SEEMED like potentially nice plays. But potential and a quarter get you a gumball.

[Bellhorn04]

Cashman's offseason bullpen moves-keeping Britton, adding O'Day and J. Wilson-have also bombed for various reasons.

 

As some Yankee fans have noted, though, he did an excellent job bolstering the Red Sox bullpen.

Edited July 3, 2021 by Bellhorn04

[notin]

Cashman's offseason bullpen moves-keeping Britton, adding O'Day and J. Wlison-have also bombed for various reasons.

 

As some Yankee fans have noted, though, he did an excellent job bolstering the Red Sox bullpen.

 

 

See? And here people are ripping the job he did…

[Bellhorn04]

See? And here people are ripping the job he did…

 

I'm still hoping for Ort to help a bit in our bullpen this year and make it a trifecta.

[Kimmi]

See? And here people are ripping the job he did…

 

Thanks Brian!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

See? And here people are ripping the job he did…

 

There's gotta be a metaphor in Cashman's risky hobby of descending 22 stories on the outside of a high-rise, clinging to a rope...

[moonslav59]

Sometimes the 'on paper' thing is quite meaningless. Kluber and Taillon were both big gambles with a huge range of possible outcomes. All you could really do was see what happens.

 

No doubt they were gambles, but they seemed like better gambles than most other teams including Perez, Pivetta, Richards...

[moonslav59]

Let’s be honest. I’m thinking maybe one or two posters thought the Sox rotation was even equal to the Yanks, when the season started. It wasnt just media outlets projecting 100 wins for the Yanks.

 

BTW, many stats and metrics show the Yankee starters are doing better than ours.

 

It’s really their offence that has been unexpectedly bad.

 

We knew their D sucked like ours.

 

We knew their pen was great. Ours has been shockingly good even to the biggest homer fans around.

 

Yes, the games are played on the field not on paper, but we all expected the Yanks to be much better than this.

[jacksonianmarch]

And now we are being no hit by Taijuan Walker

[Bellhorn04]

No doubt they were gambles, but they seemed like better gambles than most other teams including Perez, Pivetta, Richards...

 

Personally I thought it was very curious that in the position the Yankees were in, Cashman would roll the dice on the rotation not once, but twice.

 

The Red Sox were much more in a position to roll the dice, because we were expected to be a .500 team or thereabouts.

[jacksonianmarch]

Personally I thought it was very curious that in the position the Yankees were in, Cashman would roll the dice on the rotation not once, but twice.

 

The Red Sox were much more in a position to roll the dice, because we were expected to be a .500 team or thereabouts.

 

And now the Sox have the best record in the AL and are about to pick 4th next weekend. Bloom ate Cash’s lunch

[moonslav59]

And now the Sox have the best record in the AL and are about to pick 4th next weekend. Bloom ate Cash’s lunch

 

I such a short time, too.

[jacksonianmarch]

Fan is short for fanatic. It often leads to a lack of reason in blindly following the team you love and overlooking their weaknesses. I truly do not believe that my thoughts were incorrect at the season’s outset. I do not think this demise was predictable. I truly don’t believe this team should be in the position it is in. But we are now at half season and the Yankees are dead. They just came off a second series sweep vs the Sox and then come off a crushing collapse in their last game before Noah and his ark were summoned. After a dreaded vote of confidence from the owner and a widely publicized players only meeting, they come out and get no hit for 5 innings, watch as the last pen addition allowed the game to get out of reach and watch as another game vs a hated rival ends in defeat. This team has been exposed. The loss of the rocket ball hurt this team more than anyone else. The loss of stickem turned a rotation strength into a weakness. It was all a mighty turn of events that will prove fatal for this club. This is a below .500 team full of muscle bound right handed bats incapable of staying healthy and a rotation that still appears to be using the rocket ball once their sticky binky was removed. This team should not be added to. It should be consciously maintained and only the redundant parts sold off with an eye towards a major addition over the winter. This team needs an injection of life and a new direction. It also needs leaders and not talented kids with zero direction. My hope is Cashman goes and heck, maybe a certain Astros Exec deserves another try at the top job. Boone and his lack of leadership needs to go. I don’t think it would be all that surprising if the yanks retooled and become contenders again next year, and heck, maybe my post is just another fanatic’s early conclusion, but I don’t think I’m wrong here. This team looks lifeless and I think they’re done

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The thing is, the guy the Yankees should have signed -- the one who would've made them a legit favorite -- was the available Cy Young winner. Most talksox posters said last winter just wasn't the right time to spend big on an ace like Trevor Bauer... even if he was maybe the best starter (in a combination of talent and age) in the next two free agent classes.

 

In hindsight, both franchises dodged some major PR headaches -- especially New York, already dealing with the German debacle. But by George, if the Boss was still kicking...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Fan is short for fanatic. It often leads to a lack of reason in blindly following the team you love and overlooking their weaknesses. I truly do not believe that my thoughts were incorrect at the season’s outset. I do not think this demise was predictable. I truly don’t believe this team should be in the position it is in. But we are now at half season and the Yankees are dead. They just came off a second series sweep vs the Sox and then come off a crushing collapse in their last game before Noah and his ark were summoned. After a dreaded vote of confidence from the owner and a widely publicized players only meeting, they come out and get no hit for 5 innings, watch as the last pen addition allowed the game to get out of reach and watch as another game vs a hated rival ends in defeat. This team has been exposed. The loss of the rocket ball hurt this team more than anyone else. The loss of stickem turned a rotation strength into a weakness. It was all a mighty turn of events that will prove fatal for this club. This is a below .500 team full of muscle bound right handed bats incapable of staying healthy and a rotation that still appears to be using the rocket ball once their sticky binky was removed. This team should not be added to. It should be consciously maintained and only the redundant parts sold off with an eye towards a major addition over the winter. This team needs an injection of life and a new direction. It also needs leaders and not talented kids with zero direction. My hope is Cashman goes and heck, maybe a certain Astros Exec deserves another try at the top job. Boone and his lack of leadership needs to go. I don’t think it would be all that surprising if the yanks retooled and become contenders again next year, and heck, maybe my post is just another fanatic’s early conclusion, but I don’t think I’m wrong here. This team looks lifeless and I think they’re done

 

Old Man Steinbrenner wouldn't stand for it; he'd outdo even John Henry in the offseason -- after cleaning house in the front office, George wouldn't just recruit Tampa's #2 guy... instead, he'd find a way to steal Neander and double his salary. As it is, even with a son in charge, is there any way you don't see the Yanks signing either Correa or Baez as a first order of business?

[jacksonianmarch]

The thing is, the guy the Yankees should have signed -- the one who would've made them a legit favorite -- was the available Cy Young winner. Most talksox posters said last winter just wasn't the right time to spend big on an ace like Trevor Bauer... even if he was maybe the best starter (in a combination of talent and age) in the next two free agent classes.

 

In hindsight, both franchises dodged some major PR headaches -- especially New York, already dealing with the German debacle. But by George, if the Boss was still kicking...

 

The Boss was always trying to make things better, he just got tremendously greedy. When the Yanks dynasty days were going, he wanted all his minor league clubs to win as well rather than be a feeder to the big club. This also prompted the removal of Stick Michael and the absolute ignorance of the draft or anything amateur, even though the Yankee prospect machine (and their dollars) allowed for the building of some of the best teams of all time. The drop in minor league talent and the late adoption of draft manipulation allowed the Sox to take a foothold by generating a phenomenal farm while winning titles. Instead, the yanks kept picking from the top of the FA pile until the Lux tax fines got tok rich for their blood and George got too feeble to do anything about it

[jacksonianmarch]

Old Man Steinbrenner wouldn't stand for it; he'd outdo even John Henry in the offseason -- after cleaning house in the front office, George wouldn't just recruit Tampa's #2 guy... instead, he'd find a way to steal Neander and double his salary. As it is, even with a son in charge, is there any way you don't see the Yanks signing either Correa or Baez as a first order of business?

 

I’d take Correa in a heart beat. Baez is not someone I’d target. I have a feeling the Yanks stay under and then go hog wild this off-season. I’d deal off Gleyber and see if someone else can fix what we screwed up. I’d deal off Voit as well and try to find a good lefty swinging 1b. I’d also deal Sanchez tomorrow while his value is high

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I’d take Correa in a heart beat. Baez is not someone I’d target. I have a feeling the Yanks stay under and then go hog wild this off-season. I’d deal off Gleyber and see if someone else can fix what we screwed up. I’d deal off Voit as well and try to find a good lefty swinging 1b. I’d also deal Sanchez tomorrow while his value is high

 

Ya, I've read some writers lately assuming that the catching position will soon lose relevancy due to impending robot ump strike zones. The notion is that the art of pitch-framing will lose all value. That may be true -- but what about the most important aspect of good catching: calling a good game, getting in sync with a pitcher and his stuff on any given night, and setting up hitters? You're a pitcher; you know.

[Kimmi]

I such a short time, too.

 

Way ahead of Jacko's 2024/2025 predicted timeline.

 

(Sorry Jacko, I couldn't resist.)

[Kimmi]

I truly do not believe that my thoughts were incorrect at the season’s outset. I do not think this demise was predictable. I truly don’t believe this team should be in the position it is in.

 

I don't remember anyone predicting the Yankees to be anywhere near this position during the offseason. A lot of people, in hindsight, are now pointing out the Yankees' flaws, but I don't think they can honestly say they saw this coming. As I said before, I can't blame Cashman for the team underperforming to this extent.

 

It's one of those enigmas, as I like to call them. We saw this as Sox fans in 2014 and in 2019. It's not fun.

 

With half a season to go, I'm still not counting the Yankees out, but they need to get it going soon.

[Thunder]

Through 81 games, the Sox were on pace to win 100 games. The Yankees are on pace to win 82 games. I would have been happy with the opposite occurring. The rest of the summer is going to be very fun

[Bellhorn04]

I don't remember anyone predicting the Yankees to be anywhere near this position during the offseason. A lot of people, in hindsight, are now pointing out the Yankees' flaws, but I don't think they can honestly say they saw this coming. As I said before, I can't blame Cashman for the team underperforming to this extent.

 

There are plenty of things Cashman can be blamed for.

 

-He hired Boone and all the other coaches, and this Yankee team has had a one-dimensional offensive approach and bad fundamentals.

-He loaded up on all right handed bats and no left handed bats.

-He shoehorned Torres into the wrong position.

-He rolled the dice on Kluber and Taillon and lost.

-The farm is dried up.

[notin]

There are plenty of things Cashman can be blamed for.

 

-He hired Boone and all the other coaches, and this Yankee team has had a one-dimensional offensive approach and bad fundamentals.

-He loaded up on all right handed bats and no left handed bats.

-He shoehorned Torres into the wrong position.

-He rolled the dice on Kluber and Taillon and lost.

-The farm is dried up.

 

 

The Yankee RHH have a .747 OPS vs RHP and a .739 OPS vs LHP. Is it possible this “mistake” is a bit overblown?

[Bellhorn04]

The Yankee RHH have a .747 OPS vs RHP and a .739 OPS vs LHP. Is it possible this “mistake” is a bit overblown?

 

Yes. But the one-dimensional approach seems to be real.

[moonslav59]

Yes. But the one-dimensional approach seems to be real.

 

But if their righties hit righties as well as lefties, I’m not sure we can say that’s a major reason they are on pace to finish at .500.

[Bellhorn04]

But if their righties hit righties as well as lefties, I’m not sure we can say that’s a major reason they are on pace to finish at .500.

 

The left-right thing may be overstated.

 

But the one-dimensional approach refers to swinging for the fences all the time and poor situational hitting.