Who should the Sox have play CF on opening day?

[notin]

Can I change my vote to Verdugo?

 

It seems the corner OF market has a lot more interesting options than the CF market

[Kimmi]

Can I change my vote to Verdugo?

 

It seems the corner OF market has a lot more interesting options than the CF market

 

I would still prefer a defensively strong CFer, like JBJ. I understand that the offseason is not finished, but I am currently concerned about the overall defense of the team going into 2021.

[moonslav59]

If we can get Bauer and Springer on one year deals, I'm in!

 

I would still prefer a defensively strong CFer, like JBJ. I understand that the offseason is not finished, but I am currently concerned about the overall defense of the team going into 2021.

 

Beyond that, which I agree, I want to keep Verdugo in RF.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Beyond that, which I agree, I want to keep Verdugo in RF.

 

Because of that (the Sox' D-fishing-Cs)... I agree.

[moonslav59]

If we can get Bauer and Springer on one year deals, I'm in!

 

Because of that (the Sox' D-fishing-Cs)... I agree.

 

If we could find a gold glove level RF'er- maybe, but I don't see any of them on the market.

[harmony]

If we could find a gold glove level RF'er- maybe, but I don't see any of them on the market.

Former Red Sox rightfielder Josh Reddick, a 2012 Gold Glove winner, is available.

[moonslav59]

If we can get Bauer and Springer on one year deals, I'm in!

 

Former Red Sox rightfielder Josh Reddick, a 2012 Gold Glove winner, is available.

 

Is he healthy?

 

Is he still near GG level?

[harmony]

Is he healthy?

 

Is he still near GG level?

Josh Reddick's 2020 defensive metrics were not good:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/josh-reddick/3892/stats?position=OF#advanced-fielding

[moonslav59]

If we can get Bauer and Springer on one year deals, I'm in!

 

Josh Reddick's 2020 defensive metrics were not good:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/josh-reddick/3892/stats?position=OF#advanced-fielding

 

Not really all that good for several years before 2020, too.

 

UZR/150 from 2014-2019: +0.9.

 

That's 8 years!

 

(To be fair, he had a +38 DRS those 8 years.)

 

[notin]

The best UZR numbers from 2019-2020 for available RF are Tyler Naquin (4.1), Nomar Mazara (-0.2) and Yasiel Puig (-1.2). Naquin achieved his total in only 834 innings. All three are behind new Red Sox acquisition Hunter Renfroe (6.8), achieved in only 799 innings.

 

Renfroe (13) and Naquin (6) are also the only available RF with positive DRS numbers in that time frame.

 

So maybe the Sox already have that guy?

[notin]

One potential acquisition might be Steve Piscotty (3 DRS, 3.7 UZR in 1171 innings in 2019-2020).

 

Piscotty is owed $16mill over the next 2 seasons, which might not agree with Oakland's budget. The A's do have a couple outfielders in Dustin Fowler and Skye Bolt they could use to replace Piscotty if they deal him.

 

The one stumbling block might be Bay Area native Piscotty, who requested a trade to go back home a few years ago to take care of his ailing mother (who did eventually pass away), a request that St. Louis accommodated despite it not necessarily being in the best interest of their team. So whether or not Piscotty wants to leave the Bay Area or can block moves or whatever is all unknown to me.

 

However, he is one guy whose bat looks like it might play well at Fenway...

[jacksonianmarch]

Piscotty is a good call. I think the A's would love to purge his contract.

[dgalehouse]

I think the Boston 's willingness to trade Benintendi could indicate a plan to sign JBJ. Think about it.

[moonslav59]

If we can get Bauer and Springer on one year deals, I'm in!

 

I think the Boston 's willingness to trade Benintendi could indicate a plan to sign JBJ. Think about it.

 

Maybe. Maybe they have Kiermaier or Incarte in mind or someone else.

 

I'd hold onto Beni and try to get someone like Kiermaier.

 

I think Beni's upside outweighs what we'll get for him, and if he ends up sucking, it's not like we'll have missed out on anything great we might have gotten in return.

[mvp 78]

Maybe. Maybe they have Kiermaier or Incarte in mind or someone else.

 

I'd hold onto Beni and try to get someone like Kiermaier.

 

I think Beni's upside outweighs what we'll get for him, and if he ends up sucking, it's not like we'll have missed out on anything great we might have gotten in return.

 

I agree about Beni's trade value. They'd have to package him to get something of value. Maybe a bad contract and a prospect or two? I'd just prefer to keep him. If he sucks, he just goes away.

 

Sign a stop gap for CF. There are still a few underwhelming options available. Then go sign Wong.

[moonslav59]

I agree about Beni's trade value. They'd have to package him to get something of value. Maybe a bad contract and a prospect or two? I'd just prefer to keep him. If he sucks, he just goes away.

 

Sign a stop gap for CF. There are still a few underwhelming options available. Then go sign Wong.

 

His value does not increase in a package. He could still go on to have a great career- for someone else.

 

His addition to a package may still never outweigh the return. Plus, we lose someone else by trying to improve the return by adding a "low stock" Beni.

 

That being said, I have always felt that many GMs do not judge (place value on) players over their last season or even 2 seasons' numbers. Some GM may value him highly and will be willing to give up something very nice in return. If that is the case, I'm listening.

 

I am not for handing Beni away. His contract is pretty low, and he's still young enough to bust out in his prime.

[moonslav59]

I agree about Beni's trade value. They'd have to package him to get something of value. Maybe a bad contract and a prospect or two? I'd just prefer to keep him. If he sucks, he just goes away.

 

Sign a stop gap for CF. There are still a few underwhelming options available. Then go sign Wong.

 

I have no evidence to back this up, but I feel like most teams trying to win it all, make 2 or 3 for 1 deals, while teams trying to rebuild make 1 for 1 or 3 deals. Trading Beni & let's say Pivetta for a better SP'er or a good CF'er might not be the right strategy, right now.

[mvp 78]

I have no evidence to back this up, but I feel like most teams trying to win it all, make 2 or 3 for 1 deals, while teams trying to rebuild make 1 for 1 or 3 deals. Trading Beni & let's say Pivetta for a better SP'er or a good CF'er might not be the right strategy, right now.

 

If they believe in Duran, there's no reason to use prospect capital on a trade for CF.

[moonslav59]

If they believe in Duran, there's no reason to use prospect capital on a trade for CF.

 

True, unless they trade Beni & Duran for a CF'er.

 

The reason I mentioned a CF'er is that by trading beni, we'll have an OF of JD Martinez in LF, Verdugo in CF and Renfroe in RF. (Unless we sign JBJ or another CF/RF type, but even then, we'll need a 4th OF'er addition, too.)

Edited January 11, 2021 by moonslav59

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

True, unless they trade Beni & Duran for a CF'er.

 

The reason I mentioned a CF'er is that by trading beni, we'll have an OF of JD Martinez in LF, Verdugo in CF and Renfroe in RF. (Unless we sign JBJ or another CF/RF type, but even then, we'll need a 4th OF'er addition, too.)

 

The only way JD gets near the outfield grass is if he smokes it.

[mvp 78]

The only way JD gets near the outfield grass is if he smokes it.

 

Or if Cora does.

[moonslav59]

The only way JD gets near the outfield grass is if he smokes it.

 

Agreed. My point was that trading Beni without getting an OF'er in return means we have to make another trade or spend on FA or two.

[mvp 78]

Pillar is a piece of crap, but he's cheap and can be a place holder for a year or two.

[Bellhorn04]

Pillar is a piece of crap, but he's cheap and can be a place holder for a year or two.

 

He's just a small step down from JBJ.

[mvp 78]

He's just a small step down from JBJ.

 

And a much cheaper contract most likely.

 

I'd still prefer JBJ on a 2/3 year deal at 8 AAV, but think he signs for more than that.

[moonslav59]

And a much cheaper contract most likely.

 

I'd still prefer JBJ on a 2/3 year deal at 8 AAV, but think he signs for more than that.

 

Best choice?

 

A. JBJ at $25M/3.

B. JBJ at $19M/2

C. Pillar at $11M/2

D. Pillar at $6M/1

[Bellhorn04]

Best choice?

 

A. JBJ at $25M/3.

B. JBJ at $19M/2

C. Pillar at $11M/2

D. Pillar at $6M/1

 

How about Pillar for 1 @ $4.25? That's what he signed for last year.

[moonslav59]

How about Pillar for 1 @ $4.25? That's what he signed for last year.

 

Maybe, but we ended up trading him for a pretty good return.

 

His career OPS before 2020: .701.

His OPS in 54 gms in 2020: .798 (by far- a career best).

 

Change Choice C to $9M/2 and D to $5M/1, if you want.

 

Either way, I'd take D or C, and I've been JBJ's biggest apologist fan over the years!

[notin]

I have no evidence to back this up, but I feel like most teams trying to win it all, make 2 or 3 for 1 deals, while teams trying to rebuild make 1 for 1 or 3 deals. Trading Beni & let's say Pivetta for a better SP'er or a good CF'er might not be the right strategy, right now.

 

Why not?

 

Unless the player they acquire is on a one year deal...

[mvp 78]

How about Pillar for 1 @ $4.25? That's what he signed for last year.

 

Could probably get him for less. 1/3.5?