2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[Kimmi]

Word is the Yanks were not the top bidder on Kluber.

 

According to Speier, the Sox were looking at a different type of deal for Kluber, one that was similar to what they gave Perez. Kluber was apparently looking for a straight forward, one year deal.

[Bellhorn04]

Yikes! No thanks.

 

All for a pitcher who is projected at 3.5-3.7 WAR.

[mvp 78]

All for a pitcher who is projected at 3.5-3.7 WAR.

 

Must be his years of control. He's a great pitcher, but that valuation on BTV is out of control.

[notin]

The off-season has been glacially slow all around the AL East. The Yankees did not do anything until this week, and one of there big moves was just bringing a player back. The Rays have taken steps backwards replacing Snell with Michael Wacha. The Orioles have done nothing except deal away their SS. And the Blue Jays - the team that was supposed to be poised to make major moves and become competitors - have done less than the Red Sox.

 

Right now the biggest addition to any team in the AL East might be ERod. And Sale has a chance to be the second biggest, especially if Kluber is not healthy....

[Kimmi]

All for a pitcher who is projected at 3.5-3.7 WAR.

 

I know how badly we need pitching, but that seems like an awful lot to give up for Castillo. I'm thinking more along the lines of Verdugo straight up for Castillo, though I'm guessing the Reds would not be on board with that.

[Kimmi]

The off-season has been glacially slow all around the AL East. The Yankees did not do anything until this week, and one of there big moves was just bringing a player back. The Rays have taken steps backwards replacing Snell with Michael Wacha. The Orioles have done nothing except deal away their SS. And the Blue Jays - the team that was supposed to be poised to make major moves and become competitors - have done less than the Red Sox.

 

Right now the biggest addition to any team in the AL East might be ERod. And Sale has a chance to be the second biggest, especially if Kluber is not healthy....

 

Woohoo! The Red Sox are the winners of the AL East offseason so far!

 

Good points.

[harmony]

I know how badly we need pitching, but that seems like an awful lot to give up for Castillo. I'm thinking more along the lines of Verdugo straight up for Castillo, though I'm guessing the Reds would not be on board with that.

The website declined the 6-for-1 trade for Luis Castillo because “You need to add at least one high-value to the other side of the trade for it to be accepted, and make sure there’s not too many.”

[jacksonianmarch]

Reds demanded Gleyber plus a prospect haul and the Yanks blinked. Closest thing for the Sox is Verdugo. You’re not moving Verdugo for Castillo, that’s be dumb

[mvp 78]

Reds demanded Gleyber plus a prospect haul and the Yanks blinked. Closest thing for the Sox is Verdugo. You’re not moving Verdugo for Castillo, that’s be dumb

 

Yup. Castillo would be perfect for a team looking for the one guy to put them over the edge. Sox are a few more players away than that.

[mvp 78]

@redsoxstats

Rosenthal shoots down a Benintendi to Philly rumor as highly unlikely, the fit “hardly appears to make sense.” Also says his $6.6M salary should temper any trade return.

[Bellhorn04]

Must be his years of control. He's a great pitcher, but that valuation on BTV is out of control.

 

He's got 3 arb years left. Projected at 4.2 mill this year, I think. That will climb in 2022 and 2023.

 

The math on this one really eludes me.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cincy looks at his 2020 and sees a guy taking off into the stratosphere. Other teams see a hot 1/3 of a season and are rightly not willing to make the sacrifice. There’s a big difference here. Graded over a full season, Castillo’s 2020 translates to 7+ WAR. You give up a lot more for a 7WAR pitcher than you do for a 3 WAR pitcher

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Reds demanded Gleyber plus a prospect haul and the Yanks blinked. Closest thing for the Sox is Verdugo. You’re not moving Verdugo for Castillo, that’s be dumb

 

If the Yankees are actually very close to the top, which players would give them a better chance: Torres at short or instead, Castillo on the mound, and say, Semien or Didi at short?

[notin]

Reds demanded Gleyber plus a prospect haul and the Yanks blinked. Closest thing for the Sox is Verdugo. You’re not moving Verdugo for Castillo, that’s be dumb

 

The Reds have no reason to trade Castillo now unless they get blown away. He is under control for several more years and makes very little money. Of course they are going to ask for the moon, three stars and a distant planet to be named later...

[notin]

if the yankees are actually very close to the top, which players would give them a better chance: Torres at short or instead, castillo on the mound, and say, semien or didi at short and jordan montgomery on the il?

 

ftfy

[notin]

So... question here.

 

As of right now, the only starting pitchers to receive deals longer than one year are Mike Minor (2 yrs / $18mill from the Royals) and Japanese import Kohei Arihara (2 yrs $6.3mill from TX). Is this because teams are not going big or pitchers are taking pillow deals with bigger paydays in 2022?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

So... question here.

 

As of right now, the only starting pitchers to receive deals longer than one year are Mike Minor (2 yrs / $18mill from the Royals) and Japanese import Kohei Arihara (2 yrs $6.3mill from TX). Is this because teams are not going big or pitchers are taking pillow deals with bigger paydays in 2022?

 

Could it be that teams aren't offering much beyond '21 with an eye on a restructured CBA and lower paydays?

[moonslav59]

But since the season ended, the only pitching addition is Andriese.

 

Maybe having Houck for the full season, some returning pitchers from injury and some possible farm help makes him think we have more depth.

[Bellhorn04]

So... question here.

 

As of right now, the only starting pitchers to receive deals longer than one year are Mike Minor (2 yrs / $18mill from the Royals) and Japanese import Kohei Arihara (2 yrs $6.3mill from TX). Is this because teams are not going big or pitchers are taking pillow deals with bigger paydays in 2022?

 

Hendriks got a nice 3 year deal. Any reason why relievers would be much different?

[notin]

Hendriks got a nice 3 year deal. Any reason why relievers would be much different?

 

Not sure, but he isn’t a starter. All the starters - Kluber, Morton, Smyly, Ray, Urena, Perez, Gausman, Stroman - all signed one year deals...

[Bellhorn04]

Not sure, but he isn’t a starter. All the starters - Kluber, Morton, Smyly, Ray, Urena, Perez, Gausman, Stroman - all signed one year deals...

 

It might have something to do with the fact that none of them are top tier, too.

[moonslav59]

Tanaka is apparently looking for $15+M/1.

[notin]

Tanaka is apparently looking for $15+M/1.

 

I'd sign him for that.

 

Maybe that's why I'm not a GM?

[moonslav59]

I'd sign him for that.

 

Maybe that's why I'm not a GM?

He is much more likely to pitch 200 good innings than Kluber, and for just $4M more, it seems like a good risk for a 1 year deal.

[moonslav59]

In theory, we could sing Tanaka to $15M/1 and Odorizzi to $13M x 3 and still be just barely under the tax line.

 

More likely, we might sign just one and use some budget space on a RP'er, CF'er and 2Bman- saving some for the dealine.

[mvp 78]

In theory, we could sing Tanaka to $15M/1 and Odorizzi to $13M x 3 and still be just barely under the tax line.

 

More likely, we might sign just one and use some budget space on a RP'er, CF'er and 2Bman- saving some for the dealine.

Does money at deadline matter or just payroll on April 1?

[moonslav59]

Does money at deadline matter or just payroll on April 1?

 

I think it is including all salaries for the whole year.

[jacksonianmarch]

Chatham dealt to Philly for a PTNBL

[Bellhorn04]

I think it is including all salaries for the whole year.

 

Yes, and they don't calculate it till after the season. There are year end accounting adjustments to be made by the bean-counters for things like opt-outs that are exercised.

[oldtimer]

Chatham dealt to Philly for a PTNBL

 

He would have been a good utility guy for the Sox, but they are moving on.