2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[mvp 78]

Yes, but he would still remain on the 40 man roster. The issue until ST is 40 man roster spots, not 26 man roster spots...

 

The only way to get off the 40 man is DFA or trade?

[mvp 78]

It might take 12 years to know for sure.

 

No, we should know within the next 6 years at most.

[mvp 78]

Also, Mookie winning a title in LA has nothing to do with whether or not the Sox won the trade. The Dodgers could win 2 more with Betts and the Sox could still come out ahead with the trade.

[oldtimer]

I think we will add a 2Bman- maybe CF/2B, so I think we won't need both Chatham & Arauz. If we don't add an IF'er, I'd keep both, for awhile anyway.

 

With Arroyo probably getting first dibs at the 2nd base slot, with need a utility guy or two. Flexibility is a desirable quality for a utility guy and Chatham has possibilities at 2nd and short and possibly in the outfield. He's a contact hitter. Arauz is less experienced but offers similar abilities. Of the two, I would take Chatham now and stash and develop Aruaz. Everything changes if we go out and get a quality 2nd baseman, then maybe Arroyo gets looked at for utility duties.

[notin]

With Arroyo probably getting first dibs at the 2nd base slot, with need a utility guy or two. Flexibility is a desirable quality for a utility guy and Chatham has possibilities at 2nd and short and possibly in the outfield. He's a contact hitter. Arauz is less experienced but offers similar abilities. Of the two, I would take Chatham now and stash and develop Aruaz. Everything changes if we go out and get a quality 2nd baseman, then maybe Arroyo gets looked at for utility duties.

 

I know Arroyo had a minor hot streak last season, but I think the Sox should/will consider upgrading the slot and keeping Arroyo (and Munoz) on the team as depth, especially since both have experience at multiple positions.

 

There are several available 2b options available in free agency who would be upgrades that don’t break the budget, including Hernandez, Villar and Schoop. And there may be others once the non-tenders become available...

[mvp 78]

I know Arroyo had a minor hot streak last season, but I think the Sox should/will consider upgrading the slot and keeping Arroyo (and Munoz) on the team as depth, especially since both have experience at multiple positions.

 

There are several available 2b options available in free agency who would be upgrades that don’t break the budget, including Hernandez, Villar and Schoop. And there may be others once the non-tenders become available...

 

The hole in CF seems more pressing, but I agree that they can find some cheap options at 2b.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The hole in CF seems more pressing, but I agree that they can find some cheap options at 2b.

 

Agreed. The analytics department probably has its eyes on a slight upgrade bat they can just station in shallow rightfield to rob lefty pull hitters. Though Cora may prefer a legit gloveman, since he was one once in a bygone era (that spanned from the first Civil War to the start of the most recent one).

[moonslav59]

The hole in CF seems more pressing, but I agree that they can find some cheap options at 2b.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if we sign a defensive CF'er and a CF/2B player.

[moonslav59]

I know Arroyo had a minor hot streak last season, but I think the Sox should/will consider upgrading the slot and keeping Arroyo (and Munoz) on the team as depth, especially since both have experience at multiple positions.

 

There are several available 2b options available in free agency who would be upgrades that don’t break the budget, including Hernandez, Villar and Schoop. And there may be others once the non-tenders become available...

 

If we sign someone to play 2B, I don't think we need so many down roster infielders. While it's true some may be better than some of the down roster pitchers or OF'ers, we need pitching depth.

 

My guess is, we acquire several pitchers, somehow, and DFA a few pitchers to make room for them. We may, however, choose to DFA one IF'er to make room for a pitcher and/or the 2Bman we may or may not acquire.

 

Again, I really don't care much who the last 1-2 players we DFA are between the likes of Chatham, Arauz, Mazza or Valdez.

 

We could add 10-12 players and DFA them all.

[mvp 78]

Again, I really don't care much who the last 1-2 players we DFA are between the likes of Chatham, Arauz, Mazza or Valdez.

 

We could add 10-12 players and DFA them all.

 

I bet most people are in agreement on this. When the best of a bad bunch are Mazza and Valdez, it was a pretty bad bunch.

 

Valdez looked really good at times, but I believe he will be one of those guys that massively regresses as the book gets out on him.

[moonslav59]

I bet most people are in agreement on this. When the best of a bad bunch are Mazza and Valdez, it was a pretty bad bunch.

 

Valdez looked really good at times, but I believe he will be one of those guys that massively regresses as the book gets out on him.

 

We could probably go even beyond Mazza & Valdez and not lose anyone very promising.

 

We may also trade guys like Vaz, Barnes, Beni, Chavis and some of the names we've mentioned, assuming some GM wants them and will give anything up (non 40 man roster players).

 

For argument's sake, let's say we add 10 players without trading anyone on our 40 man roster. We all kind of agree that the first 6-8 players are easily parted with, but are the next 2-4 all that promising?

 

1. Brice

2. Springs

3. Wilson

4. Walden

5. Aybar

6. Arauz

7. Grullon

8. Payamps

9. Chatham (trade?)

10. Bazardo (trade?)

 

Then, there's Pedey.

 

I'm not all that high on Brewer, and could see us trading Vaz, Barnes or Beni.

 

Would anyone cry, if we trade Brasier and maybe a couple others for a non 40 man roster prospect?

 

Many teams are looking at deciding between players like Brewer, Brasier and Bazardo NOT Mazza, Valdez or Chatham.

 

 

 

[notin]

Brewer could be DFAd and no one except maybe a few close relatives would notice...

[notin]

If we sign someone to play 2B, I don't think we need so many down roster infielders. While it's true some may be better than some of the down roster pitchers or OF'ers, we need pitching depth.

 

My guess is, we acquire several pitchers, somehow, and DFA a few pitchers to make room for them. We may, however, choose to DFA one IF'er to make room for a pitcher and/or the 2Bman we may or may not acquire.

 

Again, I really don't care much who the last 1-2 players we DFA are between the likes of Chatham, Arauz, Mazza or Valdez.

 

We could add 10-12 players and DFA them all.

 

 

Five man bench tops

 

Plawecki owns one spot.

 

Arroyo/Munoz has a second.

 

Chavis has a third.

 

An outfielder? Preferably that can play CF.

 

That leaves the other from the Munoz/Arroyo pair if they sign/trade for a 2b...

[Monster24]

Arroyo had 4-5 good games

A competitive baseball team cannot have Dalbec and Chavis in the same lineup

Munoz had 4-5 good games and apparently is a below average infielder

Maybe we have no choice but there is a good probability none of this lot is any good.

 

When Holt was healthy we were spoiled. I still don’t get the outrage over letting him go but he was decent in the OF and IF

[moonslav59]

Five man bench tops

 

Plawecki owns one spot.

 

Arroyo/Munoz has a second.

 

Chavis has a third.

 

An outfielder? Preferably that can play CF.

 

That leaves the other from the Munoz/Arroyo pair if they sign/trade for a 2b...

 

You're talking 26 man roster.

 

I think Chavis gets traded, assuming some GM values him enough to give us something useful (RP'er/CF'er). Maybe he can be included in a larger deal.

 

Munoz has one option left, so he'd be AAA depth, if we acquire a 2Bman.

 

Plawecki could even be traded, assuming Bloom & Cora think Grullon/Wong can be ML back-ups.

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

Go get Arenado and Springer Trade Devers And Benny then get me DjL and Snell .This is a gift to this idiot GM .Do this and we are back don’t ? We are haunted by Mookie Betts Ghost .

[moonslav59]

Go get Arenado and Springer Trade Devers And Benny then get me DjL and Snell .This is a gift to this idiot GM .Do this and we are back don’t ? We are haunted by Mookie Betts Ghost .

 

I'm glad you are not out GM.

 

In all seriousness, I'd have to switch teams.

[Noles_1335]

I’m kinda with Ghost here.... if we really want to make a huge move we dangle Devers out there and see if there are any takers with an offer that is too good to not entertain! We need arms that can be depended on and there’s no guarantee that Sale ever returns to form or how long Evo stays healthy! How about a frontline starter and a stud 2B/CF.... work with me here guys!!!

[moonslav59]

I’m kinda with Ghost here.... if we really want to make a huge move we dangle Devers out there and see if there are any takers with an offer that is too good to not entertain! We need arms that can be depended on and there’s no guarantee that Sale ever returns to form or how long Evo stays healthy! How about a frontline starter and a stud 2B/CF.... work with me here guys!!!

 

If the plan is to go $50M over the lux tax line, we'd have just signed Betts.

 

Let's stay real, here. This isn't fantasy baseball.

[Noles_1335]

I’m being 100% real. Those of you who are fanboys of Devers only see his one great season. Yes it was a great season but let’s be real here. The guy has major ups and downs in his defense and we all know his body type is never going to get much better. By the time he’s 30 he may look like Panda at 3rd. Is he really the cornerstone of our future, if not, why not see what’s out there!

[Bellhorn04]

I’m being 100% real. Those of you who are fanboys of Devers only see his one great season.

 

He's 24 - how many great seasons would you expect him to have by now?

[moonslav59]

I’m being 100% real. Those of you who are fanboys of Devers only see his one great season. Yes it was a great season but let’s be real here. The guy has major ups and downs in his defense and we all know his body type is never going to get much better. By the time he’s 30 he may look like Panda at 3rd. Is he really the cornerstone of our future, if not, why not see what’s out there!

 

My comment was not directed towards just the Devers part of the positions put forward, but yes, let's get real on Devers. The kid just turned 24. He's played in leagues way above his age group and exceled in nearly all of them.

 

He's already got 1680 career PAs and has a 162 game average of .279 31 105 (.830 OPS). He hasn't even come close to his prime years, yet.

 

Yes, his one great season pads his numbers, but there is no reason to think he can or will not repeat or improve on that season. In his 730 PAs prior to that season's 702 PAs, he hit .254 31 96 (.760 OPS). That's damn good for any player's first 180 games. After 2019, his 162 game average in 2020 was .263 31 122 (.793 OPS). Those are dome damn good "down" seasons for a 20 to 23 year old!

 

Okay, his defense has been an extreme yo-yo, granted, but he has the tools to be a plus defender at 3B, and could very well be a very good defensive 1Bman, if it doesn't work out at 3B.

 

His contract price is a bargain, at a time when we are near maxed out by many mega deals. Getting real involves looking at a realistic spending budget. Losing a bargain contract like Devers, even in his last arb year or two and taking on the contracts of Arenado (not to mention what we trade for him), Springer (not a good splurge FA), DJ L (likewise) and Snell's future arb raises is totally unrealistic.

 

Even if we did trade Devers, we'll never come close to even making serious offers for all those 4 guys.

 

Truth.

 

[moonslav59]

He's 24 - how many great seasons would you expect him to have by now?

 

He just turned 24. He's got an .830 OPS from ages 20-23!

 

He also hit .944 in AA at age 20 and 1.047 in AAA, that year, in a smaller sample size.

 

[Noles_1335]

I was not referring to those names in any trades. Arenando would be a huge play at 3rd.... however we can not afford that contract. I was only trying to move the needle on the possibility of acquiring young arms to build for the future. And the bigger question in the future will be the contract demands of Devers. If we could not sign Mook to a career contract how can we attempt this with RD in the next couple years.

[Bellhorn04]

I was not referring to those names in any trades. Arenando would be a huge play at 3rd.... however we can not afford that contract. I was only trying to move the needle on the possibility of acquiring young arms to build for the future. And the bigger question in the future will be the contract demands of Devers. If we could not sign Mook to a career contract how can we attempt this with RD in the next couple years.

 

RD is not the same level of player as Mookie, and his contract expectations should reflect that.

[mvp 78]

The one great season he had was the last full season he was able to play. He was turning it around last year. The second half of the season he OPS'd 897. That's only 19 points less than "his one great season."

[notin]

I was not referring to those names in any trades. Arenando would be a huge play at 3rd.... however we can not afford that contract. I was only trying to move the needle on the possibility of acquiring young arms to build for the future. And the bigger question in the future will be the contract demands of Devers. If we could not sign Mook to a career contract how can we attempt this with RD in the next couple years.

 

Arenado would be an incredibly bad idea.

 

His career OPS at Coors is .985 while his career road OPS is .793. Now, plenty of players have home/road splits that favor their home park even when they don't play in a notorious lauching pad. But 200 points? Take him our of Coors and that home OPS in Fenway probably drops closer to (let's assume) .850, which would make him a roughly .825 OPS player. This makes his offensive output roughly equal to Devers (.830 OPS since 2016).

 

Granted, Arenado has 8 Gold Gloves in 8 seasons. But is the defensive upgrade really worth $200 million over the next 6 seasons? Devers himself might not be looking at a contract that expensive.

 

Avoid Arenado like the plague....

[Bellhorn04]

E-Rod signs for 1 year and $8.3 million, avoiding arbitration.

[mvp 78]

E-Rod signs for 1 year and $8.3 million, avoiding arbitration.

 

Seems like a good deal to me.

[mvp 78]

Arenado would be an incredibly bad idea.

 

His career OPS at Coors is .985 while his career road OPS is .793. Now, plenty of players have home/road splits that favor their home park even when they don't play in a notorious lauching pad. But 200 points? Take him our of Coors and that home OPS in Fenway probably drops closer to (let's assume) .850, which would make him a roughly .825 OPS player. This makes his offensive output roughly equal to Devers (.830 OPS since 2016).

 

Granted, Arenado has 8 Gold Gloves in 8 seasons. But is the defensive upgrade really worth $200 million over the next 6 seasons? Devers himself might not be looking at a contract that expensive.

 

Avoid Arenado like the plague....

 

Yeah, I'd rather have Devers. We know he can hit here and is a lot younger.

 

At worst, Devers becomes a beastly DH as he gets older.