2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[notin]

I'm proficient in SQL, SAS and JMP. I'm an accounting major, analytics minor

 

Your qualifications are definitely superior to mine. Applying?

[Thunder]

Your qualifications are definitely superior to mine. Applying?

 

No, because A) I already have a job in Boston, I don't have the graduate degree required, C) while I am good at that stuff, it bores the hell out of me, and D) my experience working as a videographer for a D1 football team the last 2 years (sadly only 2 and not 3) has shown me that working in sports burns you out real quick. Hours are ridicuously long, and for baseball that would probably mean 60-70 hour work weeks from mid-February to October.

[a700hitter]

@SPChrisHatfield

Confirmed that the Red Sox re-signed the following players who would have hit free agency: C Roldani Baldwin, RHP Seth Blair, RHP Raynel Espinal, LHP Stephen Gonsalves, 1B/OF Joey Meneses, OF Johan Mieses, 1B Josh Ockimey (

@ChrisCotillo

1st), C Jhonny Pereda, RHP Caleb Simpson.

Start printing playoff tickets.

[moonslav59]

@SPChrisHatfield

Confirmed that the Red Sox re-signed the following players who would have hit free agency: C Roldani Baldwin, RHP Seth Blair, RHP Raynel Espinal, LHP Stephen Gonsalves, 1B/OF Joey Meneses, OF Johan Mieses, 1B Josh Ockimey (

@ChrisCotillo

1st), C Jhonny Pereda, RHP Caleb Simpson.

 

Ockimey lives another day!

[jad]

I'm proficient in SQL, SAS and JMP. I'm an accounting major, analytics minor

 

I have been learning and forgetting useless crap all my adult life. But for once, I am really glad that I have absolutely no idea what any of this is!

[Thunder]

I have been learning and forgetting useless crap all my adult life. But for once, I am really glad that I have absolutely no idea what any of this is!

 

Eh, it's one of those things people my age should learn nowadays if they don't want to fall behind in the corporate world

[mvp 78]

No, because A) I already have a job in Boston, I don't have the graduate degree required, C) while I am good at that stuff, it bores the hell out of me, and D) my experience working as a videographer for a D1 football team the last 2 years (sadly only 2 and not 3) has shown me that working in sports burns you out real quick. Hours are ridicuously long, and for baseball that would probably mean 60-70 hour work weeks from mid-February to October.

 

Yup, working for an MLB org will burn you out and make you hate baseball.

[mvp 78]

Start printing playoff tickets.

 

If only the Sox only had to have 25 guys in the org!

[Thunder]

Yup, working for an MLB org will burn you out and make you hate baseball.

 

And I'm the kind of guy that gets so committed you couldn't pay me to miss a game I was supposed to be working. I have to be there. Or else.

[mvp 78]

@IanCundall

I wonder if we will find out about the PRBNL the Red Sox are getting from the Cubs to complete the Josh Osich trade today. We knew back in the summer that there was a moratorium on trading prospects not in the player pool and per the article below that ended at 9 am today.

 

Can't imagine it being a top 30 prospect though.

[notin]

@IanCundall

I wonder if we will find out about the PRBNL the Red Sox are getting from the Cubs to complete the Josh Osich trade today. We knew back in the summer that there was a moratorium on trading prospects not in the player pool and per the article below that ended at 9 am today.

 

Can't imagine it being a top 30 prospect though.

 

Maybe not for the Cubs, but it might end up being one for the Sox...

[mvp 78]

Maybe not for the Cubs, but it might end up being one for the Sox...

 

I even doubt that. Osich is a career 5+ FIP guy and negative WAR player. At best they get an org position player or a flier on a live arm in A ball.

[notin]

I even doubt that. Osich is a career 5+ FIP guy and negative WAR player. At best they get an org position player or a flier on a live arm in A ball.

 

Well, you have to bear in mind soxprospects.com lists the Sox #30 prospect as Deivy Gruillon. So to crack the Sox top 30, he just has to be more highly regarded than a player who was waived by Philadephia this past season...

[mvp 78]

Well, you have to bear in mind soxprospects.com lists the Sox #30 prospect as Deivy Gruillon. So to crack the Sox top 30, he just has to be more highly regarded than a player who was waived by Philadephia this past season...

 

Grullon OPS'd .833 this year, sir!

[notin]

Grullon OPS'd .833 this year, sir!

 

I am always hesitant to accept any numbers until a player has at least 5 plate appearances..

[mvp 78]

I am always hesitant to accept any numbers until a player has at least 5 plate appearances..

 

Ye of little faith!

[mvp 78]

Josh Tobias @TobiOneKenobi5 announced on Twitter that he is retiring and has joined the Red Sox pro scouting department.

 

Tobias was acquired in 2016 from the Phillies for Clay Buchholz. He split last year between AA Portland and AAA Pawtucket.

[Thunder]

Josh Tobias @TobiOneKenobi5 announced on Twitter that he is retiring and has joined the Red Sox pro scouting department.

 

Tobias was acquired in 2016 from the Phillies for Clay Buchholz. He split last year between AA Portland and AAA Pawtucket.

 

In the running for the best Twitter handle now that I deleted my account

[oldtimer]

I am always hesitant to accept any numbers until a player has at least 5 plate appearances..

 

Join Moon in not accepting any numbers unless backed up by a full progression through the minors and 5 years of plate appearance data. Fernando Tatis would still be waiting for his first shot in the majors with that kind of thinking. Afterall, he is only 21.

[moonslav59]

Join Moon in not accepting any numbers unless backed up by a full progression through the minors and 5 years of plate appearance data. Fernando Tatis would still be waiting for his first shot in the majors with that kind of thinking. Afterall, he is only 21.

 

I think you are confusing me with someone else.

 

I wanted Dalbec promoted earlier than he was. I wanted Ockimey to get some PAs, this year. I was on board with calling Devers up, when many did not. I was JBJ's biggest fan, since the minors, and wanted him called up before he was. When he started out poorly, I defended him staying on the big club. Way back, I wanted Lynn and Rice called up earlier than late 1974.

 

I don't think Duran is ready, and although I doubt his bat is ML ready, it's not about PAs. The kid is just learning CF. He was an infielder his whole life.

 

Duran is no Tatis, so that was an unfair comp.

[notin]

Join Moon in not accepting any numbers unless backed up by a full progression through the minors and 5 years of plate appearance data. Fernando Tatis would still be waiting for his first shot in the majors with that kind of thinking. Afterall, he is only 21.

 

So are you saying Deivy Gruillon's 4 plate appearances (not 4 years, 4 plate appearances) are representative?

 

And if this is about Duran, Fernando Tatis might not be the most appropriate comparison. Tatis had over 400 plate appearances in AA as oneof the youngest players in the league and absolutely crushed to the tune of an .869 OPS while being 5 years younger than the league average age.

 

Duran has had about 350 PA in AA and posted a rather weak .634 OPS while being only 2 years under league average. He was still young for AA, but try not to overlook that he was completely ineffective at the plate. What do you think he would do in MLB?

[mvp 78]

I think comparing Duran to Tatis at all isn't fair to him. Tatis is a future MVP winner. Duran is a future MLB regular. There is a huge talent gap there.

[Bellhorn04]

So are you saying Deivy Gruillon's 4 plate appearances (not 4 years, 4 plate appearances) are representative?

 

I am going to hazard a guess that oldtimer thought you were saying 5 years, not 5 plate appearances.

 

Oblique humor is often misinterpreted. I know from experience.

[mvp 78]

Grullon 2018: 825 OPS

Grullon 2019: 850 OPS (close to Tatis's crushing 869, no?)

 

The dude can hit. He's only 24.

[notin]

Grullon 2018: 825 OPS

Grullon 2019: 850 OPS (close to Tatis's crushing 869, no?)

 

The dude can hit. He's only 24.

 

He can also throw.

 

Apparently his overall defense behind the plate is lackluster. He is probably a future backup catcher, which is fine. One has to wonder why Philly waived him, especially with them knowing there was a good chance they would not be able to keep Realmuto...

[moonslav59]

So are you saying Deivy Gruillon's 4 plate appearances (not 4 years, 4 plate appearances) are representative?

 

And if this is about Duran, Fernando Tatis might not be the most appropriate comparison. Tatis had over 400 plate appearances in AA as oneof the youngest players in the league and absolutely crushed to the tune of an .869 OPS while being 5 years younger than the league average age.

 

Duran has had about 350 PA in AA and posted a rather weak .634 OPS while being only 2 years under league average. He was still young for AA, but try not to overlook that he was completely ineffective at the plate. What do you think he would do in MLB?

 

Then, there's the fact that he was moved from IF to CF just recently. Not everyone can do what Betts did.

[notin]

Then, there's the fact that he was moved from IF to CF just recently. Not everyone can do what Betts did.

 

Maybe they can move him back to 2B? It's not like Munoz/Arroyo have some unbreakable lock on the position...

[mvp 78]

He can also throw.

 

Apparently his overall defense behind the plate is lackluster. He is probably a future backup catcher, which is fine. One has to wonder why Philly waived him, especially with them knowing there was a good chance they would not be able to keep Realmuto...

 

Philly doesn't seem like a well run organization.

[moonslav59]

Maybe they can move him back to 2B? It's not like Munoz/Arroyo have some unbreakable lock on the position...

 

True, but I don't think jerking him between two positions will speed his development.

[harmony]

He can also throw.

 

Apparently his overall defense behind the plate is lackluster. He is probably a future backup catcher, which is fine. One has to wonder why Philly waived him, especially with them knowing there was a good chance they would not be able to keep Realmuto...

Earlier this year FanGraphs failed to rank Deivy Grullon among the Top 39 prospects in a weak Philadelphia farm system:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-39-prospects-philadelphia-phillies/

 

Grullon and Seattle's Luis Torrens were among potential backup catchers dealt at this year's trade deadline. Here is one comp with ZiPS projections:

 

DG DOB 2-27-96, 6-1, 180, B:R, T:R, international free agent signed on July 2, 2012, ZiPS 2021 0.3 WAR, 2022 0.6 WAR

LT DOB 5-2-96, 6-0, 175, B:R, T:R, international free agent signed on July 2, 2012, ZiPS 2021 0.8 WAR, 2022 0.7 WAR

 

Grullon made one start after the trade while Torrens made 16 starts for Seattle. Offseason moves could change depth charts but at this point Torrens would back up Tom Murphy, Seattle's expected starting catcher.

 

Grullon has six years of team control while Torrens has five years of team control.

Edited November 6, 2020 by harmony