Why was Mookie traded, exactly?

[jad]

Western Maine is truly God's country.

 

Not if you're a sailor!!

[oldtimer]

Mookie Betts was traded for middle infield prospect Jeter Downs, who today was ranked No. 53 on FanGraphs' Top 100 prospect list, one slot ahead of first base prospect Triston Casas:

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/2021-top-100-prospects/

 

Also Verdugo who is a real player.

[mvp 78]

@geoffgagnon

As a rookie, Mookie Betts wasn't exactly thrilled with the hazing in Boston -- which included getting sassed out for not fetching beers for bus rides. “My motivation was I'm going to be so good that I'm not going to get you any more f***ing beer.”

 

Thank you, unnamed Red Sox players!

[notin]

@geoffgagnon

As a rookie, Mookie Betts wasn't exactly thrilled with the hazing in Boston -- which included getting sassed out for not fetching beers for bus rides. “My motivation was I'm going to be so good that I'm not going to get you any more f***ing beer.”

 

Thank you, unnamed Red Sox players!

 

Does he think other teams didn't do stuff like that?

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Does he think other teams didn't do stuff like that?

 

Mookie showed them. I heard he's so rich now that for bus rides he bought every player one of those beer helmets with the hoses attached to the can so he doesn't even have to get up out of his seat anymore.

[notin]

Mookie showed them. I heard he's so rich now that for bus rides he bought every player one of those beer helmets with the hoses attached to the can so he doesn't even have to get up out of his seat anymore.

 

But my point was he would have been hazed as a rookie regardless of team.. He would have had to go through something demeaning or humiliating or whatever had he been a rookie on the Athletics or the Braves or the Dodgers or the Nippon Ham Fighters...

[mvp 78]

But my point was he would have been hazed as a rookie regardless of team.. He would have had to go through something demeaning or humiliating or whatever had he been a rookie on the Athletics or the Braves or the Dodgers or the Nippon Ham Fighters...

 

I really didn't want to fall down this rabbit hole.

 

Hazing by senpai (upperclassmen), who often act as surrogate disciplinarians of their kohai (lower classmen) is also systemic and involves a variety of tortures.

 

Ichiro Suzuki, as a 10th-grader on his high school club, was forced to kneel on the rim of a lidless garbage can for an extended period of time as punishment for overcooking the rice in the team dormitory.

 

On other occasions he had to kneel with a bat between his calves and buttocks. He described these sessions as unbearably painful.

 

Such practices may continue into the pros. In last year's Japan Series, we were treated to the sight of Giants catcher and captain Shinnosuke Abe striding out to the mound and slapping second-year pitcher Hirokazu Sawamura in the head to scold him for a lapse in control.

 

"Snap out of it!" he yelled. It was all on nationwide TV.

 

Sawamura's reaction?

 

An embarrassed smile.

[Nick]

Joe Namath in his book, "I Can't Wait Until Tomorrow.... 'Cause I Get Better Looking Every Day" said at Alabama...

 

They lined up all the freshman at the goal line naked. Players had grape stuck up their butt and raced to the other end. Player coming in last place had to eat everyone else's grape.

 

Now we complain about fetching beer?

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah, I think fetching beer qualifies as 'civilized hazing'.

[notin]

Yeah, I think fetching beer qualifies as 'civilized hazing'.

 

Well, depends on where the beer is....

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I think the big question we're all wondering is which Red Sock will be the designated slapper in Hiro's U.S. pledge period?

[mvp 78]

I think the big question we're all wondering is which Red Sock will be the designated slapper in Hiro's U.S. pledge period?

 

They are bringing back Steven Wright.

[mvp 78]

Well, depends on where the beer is....

 

Someone would also have to definitively explain where Bud Lite really comes from.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

They are bringing back Steven Wright.

 

Do you think Hiro will get Wright's subtle monotone ironies?

[mvp 78]

Do you think Hiro will get Wright's subtle monotone ironies?

 

"When life hands you knuckleballs, make knuckle sandwiches."

[mvp 78]

I plugged the phone in where the blender used to be. My wife tried to call 911. She went "Aaaaahhhh..."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

"When life hands you knuckleballs, make knuckle sandwiches."

 

"Sponges grow in the ocean. I wonder how much deeper the ocean would be if that didn't happen."

[Nick]

Do you think Hiro will get Wright's subtle monotone ironies?

 

The menu said Breakfast at anytime....I ordered French toast at Renaissance.

 

No way Hiro gets that....

Edited March 16, 2021 by Nick

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The menu said Breakfast at anytime....I ordered French toast at Renaissance.

 

No way Hiro gets that....

 

He could get the frittata...

[Swiharts Ghost]

I’m going to tell the truth right now about Mookie and preface this that I understand why both parted ways. The Boston Media was painting Redsox fans as rabid racists it stemmed at the time from Torrey Hunters remarks .I believe in my soul that Mookie made a personal move And buisiness move to get away from a media and fan base .I have to think the Redsox would have had to significantly pay Mookie more to stay regarding this situation .Present day Lebron James just became part owner in Fenway partnerships.I believe Lebrun would have helped to elevate Mookie as a significant figure in sports and activism .This is my belief .Hey good for Mookie winning a fake World Series but I’m so over it . Edited March 16, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[Bellhorn04]

I’m going to tell the truth right now about Mookie and preface this that I understand why both parted ways. The Boston Media was painting Redsox fans as rabid racists it stemmed at the time from Torrey Hunters remarks .I believe in my soul that Mookie made a personal move And buisiness move to get away from a media and fan base .I have to think the Redsox would have had to significantly pay Mookie more to stay regarding this situation .Present day Lebron James just became part owner in Fenway partnerships.I believe Lebrun would have helped to elevate Mookie as a significant figure in sports and activism .This is my belief .Hey good for Mookie winning a fake World Series but I’m so over it .

 

It wasn't a fake World Series though.

[mvp 78]

It wasn't a fake World Series though.

 

It was a fake cliff though.

[notin]

It was a fake cliff though.

 

Was it? You didn't see the bottom after last season's plummet?

[mvp 78]

Was it? You didn't see the bottom after last season's plummet?

 

John Henry could have kept riding his bicycle as long as he wanted. He chose to ghost ride it. It was a choice. It was always a choice.

 

They could have kept Mookie and reset later on.

[notin]

John Henry could have kept riding his bicycle as long as he wanted. He chose to ghost ride it. It was a choice. It was always a choice.

 

They could have kept Mookie and reset later on.

 

Sure they could have. But at some point, we all knew the spending was going to stop. It probably didn't help that he did keep riding the bicycle in 2019 and the team was barely above .500. That's more like treading water than riding a bike, I suppose. Maybe if the 2019 did not underachieve? Maybe knowing Sale was going to miss significant time?

 

And it's really hard to call an owner cheap when the team's payroll is in excess of $240 million...

[Bellhorn04]

If the 2021 team is over .500, the 'cliff' was a 60 game tank job in a pandemic.

[moonslav59]

If the 2021 team is over .500, the 'cliff' was a 60 game tank job in a pandemic.

 

That would be fantastic! Much shorter than I expected, but 82 wins for a team spending right up to the line could still be viewed as being in the “cliff” window.

 

(Hard not to use the word when others do.)

[Bellhorn04]

That would be fantastic! Much shorter than I expected, but 82 wins for a team spending right up to the line could still be viewed as being in the “cliff” window.

 

(Hard not to use the word when others do.)

 

I think the only place the words "cliff window" will ever be seen is this forum.

[notin]

I think the only place the words "cliff window" will ever be seen is this forum.

 

I wen to high school with a kid named Cliff Window...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

That would be fantastic! Much shorter than I expected, but 82 wins for a team spending right up to the line could still be viewed as being in the “cliff” window.

 

(Hard not to use the word when others do.)

 

Why stop there; maybe 2019's 84 wins should be the benchmark. Question: does anyone project the '21 rotation to perform better than '19's five-man electrical band? The current starters may not match up, but may be better when considered as an entire unit, with Andriese, a young Houck, and maybe a rejuvenated Sale as improvements over '19's reinforcements like Cashner and Chacin...

 

Of course, there are also plenty of what-ifs in the batting order, where only three guys have ever been full-time regulars at a steady position before (not counting DH, where JD still has to prove he can stop flailing at low-and-away junkballs). Kike and Marwin do lend winning experience to the mix...

Edited March 17, 2021 by 5GoldGloves:OF,75