Why was Mookie traded, exactly?

[Bellhorn04]

That had to be an alias. In college my pal Phil was given the last name Dubowl -- Phillip Dubowl... please.

 

And then there was Herb Hoover, that guy who kept running out of weed before everyone else did, and would then mooch off others until he bought more.

[Sox75]

You call THAT a world series? 60 games? Hell JBJ can even put up decent numbers over only 60 games.

 

I tend to agree. LAST YEAR will have an asterisks next to it for most.

 

Still.... I think letting him walk without a dead serious, big time, record breaker offer, will go down in mlb history as perhaps one of the greatest opportunities lost.

 

There is nothing that should have stood in our way, of making Mookie an offer he could not refuse.

 

He was, is, and always will be, a franchise making, mlb history making player. God willing, without serious injury, the kid is a generational talent and LIFETIME FAN creating player. Smart GMs know how much that is worth in the long run.

 

It was an EPIC MISTAKE to let him walk without an offer that he could not refuse.

 

Everybody has their price, and he deserved a record breaking offer. The Sox simply let past BAD MEGA-DEALS control a once in a generation decision. The bottom line?

They made a decision that was as bad as Pablo, Hanley, Price, or any other bad Red Sox contract.

 

Any BAD deal to keep Mookie would have been a long term bargain!

 

A true heartbreaker!! & can not be stressed enough! We move on, but until the team is back in real contention, with players we can LOVE and rally around, this non-deal will hurt, & hurt badly! Ultimately, this non-deal will always hurt, and hurt badly.

Edited December 23, 2020 by Sox75

[Bellhorn04]

No asterisk for the Dodgers 2020 title, IMO. It was a rocky regular season, but the playoffs were the real deal, and they earned it.

[Sox75]

No asterisk for the Dodgers 2020 title, IMO. It was a rocky regular season, but the playoffs were the real deal, and they earned it.

 

I agree. They were legit either way. But.... the season was a joke.

 

Their WS however, was legit. They had one gell of a team, with our ex-MEGA STAR! LEGEND!

[Noles_1335]

At what point with you guys let it go? Mookie is gone.... move on!

[moonslav59]

I'm happy we got Verdugo, Downs, Wong and salary space going forward.

 

There will never be another Betts, but I'm "movin' on."

[Sox75]

At what point with you guys let it go? Mookie is gone.... move on!

 

Dude!

 

At what point did we move on from Fisk?

 

We never have!

 

Of course we move on from season to season, and EVERY single Sox team, every single year, will be special. No doubt about it!

 

Last year's season was an all time low, and there was nothing worth diving into. I've never felt so detached from a season, as I'm sure is the case for many Sox fans.

 

Still... it was particularly tough to see Mookie gone.

 

I'm ready to move on, and I'd love to see Verdugo surprise the hell out of us, and show us everything he's got. & I think the kid has untapped raw potential that excites me.

 

It's all good! It is what it is.

 

I'll learn to hate Mookie's perfection in a fun way, and then we go to war hating the Dodgers with the passion only a Red Sox purest can muster.

 

But for now... we can still mourn a little longer.

 

We don't rush into it, so let's just see the next team & young Red Sox star who makes us forget.

 

Red Sox forever!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Dude!

 

At what point did we move on from Fisk?

 

We never have!

 

Of course we move on from season to season, and EVERY single Sox team, every single year, will be special. No doubt about it!

 

Last year's season was an all time low, and there was nothing worth diving into. I've never felt so detached from a season, as I'm sure is the case for many Sox fans.

 

Still... it was particularly tough to see Mookie gone.

 

I'm ready to move on, and I'd love to see Verdugo surprise the hell out of us, and show us everything he's got. & I think the kid has untapped raw potential that excites me.

 

It's all good! It is what it is.

 

I'll learn to hate Mookie's perfection in a fun way, and then we go to war hating the Dodgers with the passion only a Red Sox purest can muster.

 

But for now... we can still mourn a little longer.

 

We don't rush into it, so let's just see the next team & young Red Sox star who makes us forget.

 

Red Sox forever!

 

Thanks, 75, for providing thoughts upon which to reflect. Fans through the decades have no choice but to move on, but some cases are never easy... or like you suggest, some are just never, period.

 

Posters can insist and implore we move on, but it's not an instantaneous process for everyone. Especially while we languish in suckitude, and our ex is dating the quarterback of the football team, parading around the class party. That's a scene best to not attend.

 

In the meantime, we research the rescue sites, looking forward, to get a new dog -- not to replace an old bud who passed on, but to get back that old sense of companionship... and familiarity.

[cp176]

I'm happy we got Verdugo, Downs, Wong and salary space going forward.

 

There will never be another Betts, but I'm "movin' on."

 

Who? I'm just kidding Moon but I am need of superstars. I'm not sure that for me winning with a whole bunch of good players is enough. I am a spoiled follower of my New England teams and I need to have players whose names I am familiar with, players who I think can be compared to the best in the league so to speak. The excitement and the anticipation of spring training with this current group i don't think is going to get me going. Maybe I am just not a "hardcore" follower of the game but I don't think that I will be traveling down the highway to watch this current group whether they are winning or not. I will be quite interested to see what the attendance levels look like once we are able to get through the pandemic.

[Bellhorn04]

Nobody liked the 2019 team all that much. People spent most of the season berating Cora for Restgate. Mookie had a solid season but there were grumblings about him not doing all that much. He didn't really salvage anything for the fans that year.

 

It's the W-L record that people usually dig the most.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Nobody liked the 2019 team all that much. People spent most of the season berating Cora for Restgate. Mookie had a solid season but there were grumblings about him not doing all that much. He didn't really salvage anything for the fans that year.

 

It's the W-L record that people usually dig the most.

 

But to CP's point, fans are initially pumped by new seasons when new impact players make an impact. Initial success often wears off, but by then casual fans or front-runners are already invested in advance ticket sales... and actual hope.

[moonslav59]

Who? I'm just kidding Moon but I am need of superstars. I'm not sure that for me winning with a whole bunch of good players is enough. I am a spoiled follower of my New England teams and I need to have players whose names I am familiar with, players who I think can be compared to the best in the league so to speak. The excitement and the anticipation of spring training with this current group i don't think is going to get me going. Maybe I am just not a "hardcore" follower of the game but I don't think that I will be traveling down the highway to watch this current group whether they are winning or not. I will be quite interested to see what the attendance levels look like once we are able to get through the pandemic.

 

I don't disagree, and I was one of those who felt we should pay Betts to stay for your reasons listed and because he'd be worth it.

[jacksonianmarch]

Baseball is the only sport where you can truly win without any superstars, just a collection of above average to good players at every position

[cp176]

I don't disagree, and I was one of those who felt we should pay Betts to stay for your reasons listed and because he'd be worth it.

 

It is very tough for me. Winning obviously is what we all want to see but a baseball season encompasses a great deal of life. It moves with the seasons. In the games that I worked in, if you had the best player normally you had a chance to win. In '67, we had an extremely young team but we had Yaz. I need my baseball fix. I need to be tweaked emotionally. Personally it is a very important part of my life and has been since the late 50's. I could make a very long list of athletic greats who have played for boston teams. Some of them never won titles but i'm ok with that. I'm glad that we had Ted Williams and Carl yastrzemski . Winning might not be the absolutely most important thing for me I guess after all. I will add though that if the greatest of our greats were playing in a playoff format like we have today (almost everybody makes the honor roll), I have to think that they would have gotten their titles. The argument that we had HOf players and still did not win the big one just does not work for me and in my opinion is disrespectful to everything that some of these guys meant to us and brought to the game.

This post Moon is not really meant for you. You and I share many of the same opinions and feelings about the game. It is just the rant of someone who refuses to let the old man in. And also someone who has a grandson who is going to be one helluva ballplayer. lol I want him to enjoy the game as I did.

[Bellhorn04]

The argument that we had HOf players and still did not win the big one just does not work for me and in my opinion is disrespectful to everything that some of these guys meant to us and brought to the game.

 

It's not meant to be disrespectful at all. It's just the way it is.

 

Yaz was my favorite player and it just about killed me not winning a World Series with any of those Red Sox teams he was on.

[moonslav59]

It is very tough for me. Winning obviously is what we all want to see but a baseball season encompasses a great deal of life. It moves with the seasons. In the games that I worked in, if you had the best player normally you had a chance to win. In '67, we had an extremely young team but we had Yaz. I need my baseball fix. I need to be tweaked emotionally. Personally it is a very important part of my life and has been since the late 50's. I could make a very long list of athletic greats who have played for boston teams. Some of them never won titles but i'm ok with that. I'm glad that we had Ted Williams and Carl yastrzemski . Winning might not be the absolutely most important thing for me I guess after all. I will add though that if the greatest of our greats were playing in a playoff format like we have today (almost everybody makes the honor roll), I have to think that they would have gotten their titles. The argument that we had HOf players and still did not win the big one just does not work for me and in my opinion is disrespectful to everything that some of these guys meant to us and brought to the game.

This post Moon is not really meant for you. You and I share many of the same opinions and feelings about the game. It is just the rant of someone who refuses to let the old man in. And also someone who has a grandson who is going to be one helluva ballplayer. lol I want him to enjoy the game as I did.

 

I'm with you 100%.

 

It's a great game.

 

I started as a Sox fan after Yaz had reached his prime, but the guy was a winner and a fierce competitor. I could tell it pained him deeply never winning a ring, He's got my total respect and should have everyone's, as well.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm with you 100%.

 

It's a great game.

 

I started as a Sox fan after Yaz had reached his prime, but the guy was a winner and a fierce competitor. I could tell it pained him deeply never winning a ring, He's got my total respect and should have everyone's, as well.

 

Whenever Yaz talks about baseball, he comes across as totally honest, to the point of painfully honest. After the Red Sox lost Game 7 of the 1975 World Series, with a 3-0 lead in the game playing at Fenway, Yaz said they choked.

[moonslav59]

Whenever Yaz talks about baseball, he comes across as totally honest, to the point of painfully honest. After the Red Sox lost Game 7 of the 1975 World Series, with a 3-0 lead in the game playing at Fenway, Yaz said they choked.

 

That was a heartbreaking season for me, at age 16.

 

Yes, Yaz was brutally honest. He was including himself in that statement.

 

It was painful watching him suffer then beat himself up over it.

[jad]

And then there was The Pop Up in 1978 ...

[moonslav59]

And then there was The Pop Up in 1978 ...

 

Like a knife in the gut.

[cp176]

I guess that the primary point for me here is that I have read numerous posts from a collection of a few posters making it sound as though the fact that some of these great baseball teams that we had with their collection of superstars somehow failed because they just came close to winning a title. I think that is total ********. I was as delighted as anyone else that the proverbial curse was broken but I don't buy that fact that because we lost in 67,75, 78 (sort of), and 86 that those teams weren't as good as any that we have had. Not to mention the fact that they were a great deal of fun to watch. The argument that I have read somehow tries to justify that fact that because these teams lost proves that a boatload of superstars isn't impressive. Kind of like an "I told you so".

I enjoyed those seasons every bit as much as I did those in which we won titles.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Like a knife in the gut.

 

That's what he looked like when he ran out of room at the wall on Dent's pop-fly.

 

At the plate that day, I also remember Yaz pulling a home run off Guidry, the best pitcher in the world in '78, and a drilling an RBI-single off Gossage in the 8th.

[Bellhorn04]

That's what he looked like when he ran out of room at the wall on Dent's pop-fly.

 

At the plate that day, I also remember Yaz pulling a home run off Guidry, the best pitcher in the world in '78, and a drilling an RBI-single off Gossage in the 8th.

 

To this day I remember which of our hitters came through that day and which didn't. Yaz was one of the ones who came through. Jerry Remy had the game of his life.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

To this day I remember which of our hitters came through that day and which didn't. Yaz was one of the ones who came through. Jerry Remy had the game of his life.

 

Piniella saved that Yankees' season at least twice, with his blind stab in the sun to stop Remy's rip off Goose, and a wtf basket catch running to the corner off Lynn with two outs and two runners on. Both plays were bigger than any Jeter flip or face-whomp. Lou also caught Rice's drive at the bullpen wall in the 9th. Reggie maybe would've missed them all.

[Kimmi]

No asterisk for the Dodgers 2020 title, IMO. It was a rocky regular season, but the playoffs were the real deal, and they earned it.

 

They clearly had the best team in baseball. I agree that their title does not get an asterisk.

[Kimmi]

At what point with you guys let it go? Mookie is gone.... move on!

 

Personally, I'm glad he is gone. The more I think about his attitude of going after the most money, the happier I am that he is gone.

 

(Yes, perhaps I am a woman scorned.) LOL

[Kimmi]

Nobody liked the 2019 team all that much. People spent most of the season berating Cora for Restgate. Mookie had a solid season but there were grumblings about him not doing all that much. He didn't really salvage anything for the fans that year.

 

It's the W-L record that people usually dig the most.

 

If the team is winning, the fans will come, superstar or not.

 

If we had Mookie last year and the team performed the same way that it did, there would have been the same lack of interest in the season as there was without Mookie.

[Bellhorn04]

Piniella saved that Yankees' season at least twice, with his blind stab in the sun to stop Remy's rip off Goose, and a wtf basket catch running to the corner off Lynn with two outs and two runners on. Both plays were bigger than any Jeter flip or face-whomp. Lou also caught Rice's drive at the bullpen wall in the 9th. Reggie maybe would've missed them all.

 

Yep. You remember in as much detail as I do.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Yep. You remember in as much detail as I do.

 

Just don't ask me what I had for breakfast yesterday.

[moonslav59]

Personally, I'm glad he is gone. The more I think about his attitude of going after the most money, the happier I am that he is gone.

 

(Yes, perhaps I am a woman scorned.) LOL

 

99% of players go after the most money. We'd have nobody left if we wanted all of them gone and it happened.