2020 Trade Deadline

[mvp 78]

Pivetta does have the advantage over Houck in that he has pitched as many as 164 IP at the MLB level in a season. Houck has never pitched more than 119 IP in a season, and that was in High A ball. Houck only has 119 carer IP above A ball. Expecting him to pitch 130-150 IP in MLB seems like a major stretch in 2021...

 

I think it means they just put him on an innings limit and maybe push him to the pen when/if Sale comes back.

[notin]

Munoz and Arroyo are already here too.

 

And I mentioned them both as possibilities. In fact, I only included Lin if Chavis gets dealt, which is not the highest probability...

[notin]

I think it means they just put him on an innings limit and maybe push him to the pen when/if Sale comes back.

 

Certainly possible. But by the time Sale gets back, I don't think it's realistic to expect everyone else to be either healthy or effective. Safe bet Eovaldi is already injured by then...

[mvp 78]

Certainly possible. But by the time Sale gets back, I don't think it's realistic to expect everyone else to be either healthy or effective. Safe bet Eovaldi is already injured by then...

 

I'm not saying it's a perfect plan, but it's a way to manage Houck's innings (if the Sox think they need to do that).

[mvp 78]

Maybe they just shut him down 9/1/21?

[notin]

I'm not saying it's a perfect plan, but it's a way to manage Houck's innings (if the Sox think they need to do that).

 

Bullpen would manage them very easily...

[kenmeister]

Certainly possible. But by the time Sale gets back, I don't think it's realistic to expect everyone else to be either healthy or effective. Safe bet Eovaldi is already injured by then...

 

Heh you are right Eovaldi/Sale should be considered for only one slot, as you will rarely have both healthy at the same time.

[notin]

Heh you are right Eovaldi/Sale should be considered for only one slot, as you will rarely have both healthy at the same time.

 

Maybe they're the same person. A little CGI to adjust the build. Use a mirror to make it look like he's throwing with the other arm. Boom - Nathan Sale...

[moonslav59]

Lin has been horrible this season. I think he gets nontendered in the offseason.

 

I agree. He may end up signing a minor league deal with us- knowing we need depth at 2B, SS and CF.

[moonslav59]

Heh you are right Eovaldi/Sale should be considered for only one slot, as you will rarely have both healthy at the same time.

 

One could argue ERod/Eovaldi/Sale = 1, 1.5 or 2 max slots total.

[oldtimer]

I agree. He may end up signing a minor league deal with us- knowing we need depth at 2B, SS and CF.

 

The reason Lin has stayed around is he has position flexibility. Outfield, short, second and possibly third. The problem is his hitting. No power and well below average hit tool. He may be the only Taiwanese player in the league, something MLBB probably would like to encourage, but i can't see him making the roster in 2021. Chatham has position flexibility and has been talked about as being a contact hitter if not a power hitter. Just one example of another possible utility player who is already in house. Bloom probably already has a list of players who will be traded or nontendered.

[notin]

The reason Lin has stayed around is he has position flexibility. Outfield, short, second and possibly third. The problem is his hitting. No power and well below average hit tool. He may be the only Taiwanese player in the league, something MLBB probably would like to encourage, but i can't see him making the roster in 2021. Chatham has position flexibility and has been talked about as being a contact hitter if not a power hitter. Just one example of another possible utility player who is already in house. Bloom probably already has a list of players who will be traded or nontendered.

 

Unlike Lin, Chatham has options remaining.

 

But if Lin is back, I'd be surprised if it was anything except a minor league deal.

 

And if the Sox have a roster spot available, it probably goes to an outfielder, and probably someone capable of playing CF in a pinch...

[moonslav59]

We don't have a 40 man roster crunch, so even if we add 7-9 FAs, we'll have guys like Lin sticking around. I count 15-17 players at about the same low value as Lin on our 40 man roster.

[kenmeister]

One could argue ERod/Eovaldi/Sale = 1, 1.5 or 2 max slots total.

 

Eovaldi and Sale will at least take the field in 2021 for sure. E-Rod may never play baseball again. Really tough break. The Tony C of the 2020s.

[moonslav59]

Eovaldi and Sale will at least take the field in 2021 for sure. E-Rod may never play baseball again. Really tough break. The Tony C of the 2020s.

 

Sale will likely miss 2-3 months. Eovaldi rarely goes a season without missing 2-4 months. Yes, ERod may be done forever and could even be non-tendered. Add 2-3+ 2-4 + 0-6 and you get 4-13 out of 18 total. The over under on total months from these 3 might not even be at the half way mark of 9.

 

I'd take the under on 10 months.

[mvp 78]

Sale will likely miss 2-3 months. Eovaldi rarely goes a season without missing 2-4 months. Yes, ERod may be done forever and could even be non-tendered. Add 2-3+ 2-4 + 0-6 and you get 4-13 out of 18 total. The over under on total months from these 3 might not even be at the half way mark of 9.

 

I'd take the under on 10 months.

 

There's no shot they nontender ERod.

[notin]

There's no shot they nontender ERod.

 

I'd be surprised. But if they do non-tender him, it is clearly going to be with inside medical knowledge to which we don't have access...

[mvp 78]

I'd be surprised. But if they do non-tender him, it is clearly going to be with inside medical knowledge to which we don't have access...

 

Right now, the science is still trying to figure COVID out. I personally think it would be hasty to nontender him no matter what. Unless his arm falls off, I pay him just in case.

[notin]

Right now, the science is still trying to figure COVID out. I personally think it would be hasty to nontender him no matter what. Unless his arm falls off, I pay him just in case.

 

Well, as he has been diagnosed with myocarditis, it is possible his arm is not a factor. He may simply never be able to play again...

[mvp 78]

Well, as he has been diagnosed with myocarditis, it is possible his arm is not a factor. He may simply never be able to play again...

 

It'd be interesting to see what our resident Dr has to say about it.

[moonslav59]

It'd be interesting to see what our resident Dr has to say about it.

 

He already spoke to this. I can't find where he posted it.

[mvp 78]

From RedSox.com:

E-Rod expected in 2021

Though lefty Eduardo Rodriguez continues to be under evaluation for the Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart) that prevented him from pitching this season, the Red Sox have no reason to believe he won’t be healthy come next season.

 

“We plan on him having a good offseason, building back up, being ready to go next year. Hopefully, that’s still the case,” Red Sox manager Ron Roenicke said. “I haven’t heard anything otherwise.”

 

Story also includes an update about Nick Yorke.

 

https://www.mlb.com/redsox/news/nick-yorke-impressing-red-sox-alternate-training-site

[kenmeister]

From RedSox.com:

E-Rod expected in 2021

Though lefty Eduardo Rodriguez continues to be under evaluation for the Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart) that prevented him from pitching this season, the Red Sox have no reason to believe he won’t be healthy come next season.

 

“We plan on him having a good offseason, building back up, being ready to go next year. Hopefully, that’s still the case,” Red Sox manager Ron Roenicke said. “I haven’t heard anything otherwise.”

 

Story also includes an update about Nick Yorke.

 

https://www.mlb.com/redsox/news/nick-yorke-impressing-red-sox-alternate-training-site

 

From the Mayo Clinic website on myocarditis:

 

Treatment

In many cases, myocarditis improves on its own or with treatment, leading to a complete recovery. Myocarditis treatment focuses on the cause and the symptoms, such as heart failure.

 

In mild cases, persons should avoid competitive sports for at least three to six months. Rest and medication to help your body fight off the infection causing myocarditis might be all you need. Although antiviral medications are available, they haven't proved effective in the treatment of most cases of myocarditis.

[harmony]

Right now, the science is still trying to figure COVID out. I personally think it would be hasty to nontender him no matter what. Unless his arm falls off, I pay him just in case.

What is a fair 2021 salary for Eduardo Rodriguez in his final arbitration year working off his 2020 salary of $8.3 million?

[moonslav59]

What is a fair 2021 salary for Eduardo Rodriguez in his final arbitration year working off his 2020 salary of $8.3 million?

 

I'd say $5-6.5M, but through the arb, he'll make about $8M. (IMO)

[Bellhorn04]

I'd say $5-6.5M, but through the arb, he'll make about $8M. (IMO)

 

Not really fair to cut his pay because of COVID-19.

[notin]

Not really fair to cut his pay because of COVID-19.

 

I agree. Although COVIDs 1 through 18 were fair game...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

From the Mayo Clinic website on myocarditis:

 

Treatment

In many cases, myocarditis improves on its own or with treatment, leading to a complete recovery. Myocarditis treatment focuses on the cause and the symptoms, such as heart failure.

 

In mild cases, persons should avoid competitive sports for at least three to six months. Rest and medication to help your body fight off the infection causing myocarditis might be all you need. Although antiviral medications are available, they haven't proved effective in the treatment of most cases of myocarditis.

 

Just looking at the semantics -- and assuming the best case scenarios in each of these -- we shouldn't expect any more contributions in 2021 from ERod than from Sale. If ERod resumes his profession next Spring, and works his way all the way back to an elite starting pitcher at the highest level in the world -- without any physical setbacks (including cardiovascular, as well as with his pre-existing conditional knees) when can we reasonably hope he'll be back on the mound, dealing again? June? July?

[Bellhorn04]

Just looking at the semantics -- and assuming the best case scenarios in each of these -- we shouldn't expect any more contributions in 2021 from ERod than from Sale. If ERod resumes his profession next Spring, and works his way all the way back to an elite starting pitcher at the highest level in the world -- without any physical setbacks (including cardiovascular, as well as with his pre-existing conditional knees) when can we reasonably hope he'll be back on the mound, dealing again? June? July?

 

I'd sign up right now for getting him and Sale both back in one of the J months. Obviously patching it together the first part of the season would be a challenge, but that's what we have Bloom for.

[moonslav59]

Not really fair to cut his pay because of COVID-19.

 

I just said what I think he's worth. His risk of never playing again lowers his value.

 

Price lost millions, this year because of COVID by choice-unlike ERod, but ERod got $8.3M for not pitching at all, this year..