2020 Trade Deadline

[Kimmi]

His swing slowing down, aka jim rice syndrome, is what I see as the problem.

 

The Jays announcer said that in a previous series, and Remy has mentioned that his swing looks slower as well.

 

I'm not enough of a hitting coach to know whether that's true.

[Kimmi]

Vazquez would definitely be a needed upgrade for the Rays and Bloom knows their system.....

 

I read this morning that the Sox are asking for a crazy return for Vaz.

 

Good.

[Kimmi]

I suspect the Red Sox are stuck with JD. No one wants a DH type making all that money and it is possible that he is in decline. Too much money, too much uncertainty for a guy who can't play the field. If the Red Sox could trade JD for a bag of balls, just to get rid of the contract, I think they do it, but no one will take JD on.

 

I would absolutely not trade JD for a bag of balls, just to get rid of his contract.

[Kimmi]

I think not being able to view his ABs during the game has gotten into his head. He is one to study his ABs and make adjustments during the game. Devers has mentioned this as well and he is struggling as well. There might be something to it.

 

This could very well be. Baseball players really like their routines.

[notin]

The learning curve for a new catcher is likely too long for Vaz to make a big impact with a new team for 2020.

 

I think the Rays like defensive catcher, so I'm not sure about Vaz as a fit.

 

Maybe we roll the dice on Wong.

 

I'm not sure Vaz is part of our plans for 2022 and beyond, so if a good deal comes along, I'd send him packing.

 

Per MLBTR, the Rays have expressed interest in Vazquez

[moonslav59]

Per MLBTR, the Rays have expressed interest in Vazquez

 

I read that, but I don't see it as happening.

[notin]

I read that, but I don't see it as happening.

 

You’re always safe betting against any trade rumor. But if it doesn’t happen, it will probably be more related to Bloom’s demands exceeding Tampa’s generosity. I don’t think Tampa is looking at Vazquez and thinking “he’s not what we want. Let’s get him!”

 

If Bloom is willing to take back Kiermaier (whose expensive contract he wrote), Tampa might be very willing to talk...

[notin]

And Sox have no catcher for 2021. Pass.

 

What if the Sox followed up by dealing Bradley or Pillar to Milwaukee for Omar Narvaez? The Brewers have no center fielders on the roster and have been using Avisail Garcia in CF...

[Bellhorn04]

Moreland to Padres for 2 prospects, neither are pitchers.

[Thunder]

I actually don't hate the deal though

[Noles_1335]

Why in the hell would we get back another 3rd basemen.... we need arms! If this is the bloom method we’re doomed! We have too many roadblocks at certain positions to just take on more mediocre prospects!

[Bellhorn04]

Why in the hell would we get back another 3rd basemen.... we need arms! If this is the bloom method we’re doomed! We have too many roadblocks at certain positions to just take on more mediocre prospects!

 

In Bloom's defense:

 

a) He got two arms back for Workman & Hembree.

Maybe one or both of these prospects can be included in a deal for pitching.

[Bellhorn04]

Potts was a first round pick.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Potts was a first round pick.

 

Bloom has taken three players who where not in his future plans and spun them for 4 prospects two being pitchers .Bloom gets an A thus far .I want to see Vaz to Tampa for two more arms and JD to a contender heavily subsidized of course.Next few hours will be interesting.

[Bellhorn04]

This does make you wonder if they're punting 2021, considering they could have had Moreland back next year for only $3 million.

[Swiharts Ghost]

This does make you wonder if they're punting 2021, considering they could have had Moreland back next year for only $3 million.

 

Sale likely not back until maybe late June right ? And Erod ? When does Erod get back with heart issues ? Bloom was hired for the long game .2021 will be better but marginal at best .2022 Champions again .Evoldi Will likely be dealt this winter right ? I don’t know it’s looking rough to compete in 21 .

[jacksonianmarch]

Sale likely not back until maybe late June right ? And Erod ? When does Erod get back with heart issues ? Bloom was hired for the long game .2021 will be better but marginal at best .2022 Champions again .

 

As with Severino, I am not expecting Sale or Luis to be at their best until August or September. They will likely be completing their throwing program come opening day next year and (if all things break right) should be able to be on the mound in the bigs come June. But the surgery for starters has an interesting timeline, and while these guys will regain velocity and stuff, they won't regain their consistency or their stamina for around 16-18 months. Relievers usually fare better since they don't need the stamina and by nature, have some inconsistencies game to game. They can also be babied along a bit until fully recovered.

 

I think the biggest question with Sale is what's up with the shoulder? Was the lost velo due to his elbow? We shall see. If he comes back healthy but pumping 90-93, he's a bust. If he comes back pumping 97-98, then the world better watch out

[Swiharts Ghost]

As with Severino, I am not expecting Sale or Luis to be vintage until August or September. They will likely be completing their throwing program come opening day next year and (if all things break right) should be able to be on the mound in the bigs come June. But the surgery for starters has an interesting timeline, and while these guys will regain velocity and stuff, they won't regain their consistency or their stamina for around 16-18 months. Relievers usually fare better since they don't need the stamina and by nature, have some inconsistencies game to game. They can also be babied along a bit until fully recovered.

 

Sounds about right Jax.Sale needs to be patient.

[notin]

In Bloom's defense:

 

a) He got two arms back for Workman & Hembree.

Maybe one or both of these prospects can be included in a deal for pitching.

 

Teams are typically reticent in dealing good pitching prospects. I’m not surprised if Moreland was unable to get one back

[jacksonianmarch]

When you're staring at the type of rebuild that Boston needs, the first thing you do is gather talent. You do not look for positions of need when everything is needed. Bloom did well in the Betts deal. He did well enough in the Workman deal, although I think he may have dealt him concerned that the bloom was falling off the rose. I think he did really well with Moreland. He is an EXPERT trader guys. This is the guy you want dealing away players, he seems to always hit.

 

I think the next one to fall is Vaz. Makes too much sense. His value is incredible and rumor has it, TB is in on him. Who better to extract a 4 for 1 package from the Rays than the guy who built their farm?

[notin]

This does make you wonder if they're punting 2021, considering they could have had Moreland back next year for only $3 million.

 

2021 depends heavily on Sale and ERod. Moreland has been good, but he’s hardly irreplaceable...

[jacksonianmarch]

2021 depends heavily on Sale and ERod. Moreland has been good, but he’s hardly irreplaceable...

 

2021 depends on if Uncle John mandates a costly dip into the FA pool or if he lets Chaim do his job.

[moonslav59]

2021 depends on if Uncle John mandates a costly dip into the FA pool or if he lets Chaim do his job.

 

Has Caim ever had a fat wallet?

 

We know he's done pretty well with finding gems in the rough at relatively low prices, but he can continue to do that AND splurge a little on a shiny FA or two he feels will be part of a longer term plan.

 

I expect there may not be a "mandate" other than "This is the budget- get us to respectability in 2021 and contention in 2022 where the budget will be even higher."

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

A's and Astros both looking for bullpen help. Can we all trust that Bloom is playing auctioneer right now, dangling Barnes? This scenario could net the Sox an actual prospect (and not another low level corner platoon bat with swing-and-miss issues).

 

"Who-wants-to-finish-first; get-your-100mpheater-right-here; do-I-hear-a-top20-starter; who's-got-a-DoubleA-starter; howbout-a-SingleA-power-arm -- that'sONE-do-I-hear-TWO?"

[Swiharts Ghost]

A's and Astros both looking for bullpen help. Can we all trust that Bloom is playing auctioneer right now, dangling Barnes? This scenario could net the Sox an actual prospect (and not another low level corner platoon bat with swing-and-miss issues).

 

"Who-wants-to-finish-first; get-your-100mpheater-right-here; do-I-hear-a-top20-starter; who's-got-a-DoubleA-starter; howbout-a-SingleA-power-arm -- that'sONE-do-I-hear-TWO?"[/quote

 

I’m not as high on Matt as a lot of people are .I acknowledge he’s got Amazing stuff at given points though and hope that he can bring back any top 20 talent in a deep organization.I do however wish Matt a good ending to his career just like Mitch they have been professional and seem like genuinely great men

Edited August 30, 2020 by Swiharts Ghost

[Monster24]

Good post. For those who blame the cliff on Dombrowski, would anyone trade 2018 so the next half decade would be good but not great? Think of 1988 through 1995, three division title teams that never once won 90 games... solid clubs but clearly not championship caliber.

 

How long will it take Bloom to restock the farm and develop the right amount of above-average players who will help the Sox "sustain contention"? More importantly, how long will a current ownership accustomed to quick turnaround and banners be willing to wait before it inevitably starts throwing Betts' money at lesser free agents?

 

Dombro came in, saw an immediate need for an ace, and signed Price. He then was able to use prospects to trade for the best closer available in Kimbrel, another All-Star starter in Pomeranz, and finally, the best pitcher in the AL at the time in Sale. In the title push, he added Eovaldi. Sure, there's always a cost for talent -- and the Sox may be better off right now if they still had Logan Allen, Michael Kopech and Jalen Beeks... but World Series contenders?

 

I am Ok with what was done 2018 and prior but

Resigning injury prone Evoldi and Sale made things worse and ruined any chance of keeping Betts

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I am Ok with what was done 2018 and prior but

Resigning injury prone Evoldi and Sale made things worse and ruined any chance of keeping Betts

 

In hindsight, many believe those signings came after/because they had pretty much given up on resigning Mookie. Remember Dombro's "You can't sign'em all quote?" He experienced a similar situation in Detroit when Scherzer turned down mega millions, then the Tigers extended Miggie Cabrera.

[Larry Cook]

In hindsight, many believe those signings came after/because they had pretty much given up on resigning Mookie. Remember Dombro's "You can't sign'em all quote?" He experienced a similar situation in Detroit when Scherzer turned down mega millions, then the Tigers extended Miggie Cabrera.

 

So we are the same cycle of terror as Detroit, thanks to desperate Dave, but just 4 years behind them?

 

Makes for a bleak next half decade.

[Bellhorn04]

So we are the same cycle of terror as Detroit, thanks to desperate Dave, but just 4 years behind them?

 

Makes for a bleak next half decade.

 

It's not gonna be like that. Have faith in Bloom, and Henry's money.

[moonslav59]

It's not gonna be like that. Have faith in Bloom, and Henry's money.

 

The Tigers also had way more dead weight contracts and no Devers or Bogey.