Sale going for elbow MRI

[notin]

Sale may be looking at the Pedroia case where even Dustin has second-guessed the decision to have an op that basically ended his career. TJ may be over 40 years old, but it's still radical, and every surgery entails risks. Who knows, maybe docs are telling Sale that his elongated ligaments and tendons aren't ideal for the procedure. We can be sure that the Red Sox are considering all options to see if he'll be able to contribute, whether as an opener, closer or in-betweener... though, one label that seems unlikely is "workhorse".

 

Exactly.

 

It might be routine, but it’s still surgery. I’ve seen plenty of people take time off from work because family members are having routine surgeries. And very few of these family members are trying to recapture a 98mph fastball...

[Noles_1335]

His body, his choice.

 

Not when he is under contract. If he's not physically able to pitch and the procedure is the way for him to live up to those expectations... can the contract not be voided?

[Bellhorn04]

Not when he is under contract. If he's not physically able to pitch and the procedure is the way for him to live up to those expectations... can the contract not be voided?

 

We shouldn't be assuming that Sale is going against the medical opinions.

[vegasbob]

Not when he is under contract. If he's not physically able to pitch and the procedure is the way for him to live up to those expectations... can the contract not be voided?

 

The results of the surgery are not guaranteed but the contract is. Follow the Ellsbury vs Yankees discussion going forward to see whose choice it is to play or not .

Sale could be thinking the Pedroia situation , which probably needs its own investigation. The MD's must have told him the microfracture process with PRP would regrow Pedey's knee cartilage. I'll have to check with Jackson in NYC , but I think this procedure is getting discredited beyond beyond Pedroia's case. I have seen it fail on a family member and have had Orthos say it has limited time marginal outcomes.

 

The comments on 10 days , then 14 days and any other extension do seem to make the point that Sale is reluctant for his own reasons or the tear has healed but scar or other internal issues are giving him pain, and might clear up with time. He doesn't come across as a wimp, and his money is already generational but who knows what goes on in his head.

[mvp 78]

Not when he is under contract. If he's not physically able to pitch and the procedure is the way for him to live up to those expectations... can the contract not be voided?

 

Forced medical procedures aren’t in the CBA.

[Bellhorn04]

Forced medical procedures aren’t in the CBA.

 

That raises a question though. If the doctors recommend TJS to Sale, and he refuses, would the Red Sox be able to void his contract?

[Kimmi]

I think you need at least two top of the line relievers in the pen.

 

1. A closer who can take the ball and get 3 outs.

2. A fireman who can come in during any situation and "put out the fire" real quick.

 

I can agree with that. However, I don't agree with the idea that a team needs to pay a lot for these relievers.

[Kimmi]

The more relievers you can trust in high leverage situations, the better, obviously. I just don’t see the point of saving one of the best arms in the bullpen for the ninth with a 3 run lead and the 7-8-9 hitters coming up...

 

A closer should not be saved for the 9th inning, just because it's the 9th inning.

[mvp 78]

That raises a question though. If the doctors recommend TJS to Sale, and he refuses, would the Red Sox be able to void his contract?

 

No.

[notin]

A closer should not be saved for the 9th inning, just because it's the 9th inning.

 

Mike Scioscia would be spinning in his grave if he was actually dead....

[FredLynn]

The results of the surgery are not guaranteed but the contract is. Follow the Ellsbury vs Yankees discussion going forward to see whose choice it is to play or not .

Sale could be thinking the Pedroia situation , which probably needs its own investigation. The MD's must have told him the microfracture process with PRP would regrow Pedey's knee cartilage. I'll have to check with Jackson in NYC , but I think this procedure is getting discredited beyond beyond Pedroia's case. I have seen it fail on a family member and have had Orthos say it has limited time marginal outcomes.

 

The comments on 10 days , then 14 days and any other extension do seem to make the point that Sale is reluctant for his own reasons or the tear has healed but scar or other internal issues are giving him pain, and might clear up with time. He doesn't come across as a wimp, and his money is already generational but who knows what goes on in his head.

 

Microfracture surgery sucks. The results are quite short term, if they work at all.

[FredLynn]

No.

 

And you know this .....how?

Seems to me that the choice for surgery or no surgery is Sale's alone. But the voiding of the contract is not his alone.

[mvp 78]

And you know this .....how?

Seems to me that the choice for surgery or no surgery is Sale's alone. But the voiding of the contract is not his alone.

 

I don’t believe that guaranteed contracts can be voided for any reason. There’s no way that’s in the CBA.

[notin]

And you know this .....how?

Seems to me that the choice for surgery or no surgery is Sale's alone. But the voiding of the contract is not his alone.

 

Which is not what he said

[notin]

I don’t believe that guaranteed contracts can be voided for any reason. There’s no way that’s in the CBA.

 

Retirement.

 

Gil Meche and Ryan Dempster both did it...

[S5Dewey]

Does a player under contract to a team have the right to refuse medical treatment for a condition that was incurred in playing the sport that would allow ownership the potential to recover their investment in the player?

 

That would be an interesting court case.

[mvp 78]

Retirement.

 

Gil Meche and Ryan Dempster both did it...

 

That's different than a current player having his contract voided.

[Bellhorn04]

The Yankees of course tried to withhold Ellsbury's salary for this year, claiming breach of contract. No idea if it that was settled yet or not.

[a700hitter]

Sale will throw on the side on Friday. That may be the team’s biggest “must win” of the season.

[mvp 78]

The Yankees of course tried to withhold Ellsbury's salary for this year, claiming breach of contract. No idea if it that was settled yet or not.

 

If the Yankees are for it, we should be against it.

[mvp 78]

Sale will throw on the side on Friday. That may be the team’s biggest “must win” of the season.

 

Think he throws right handed?

[a700hitter]

Think he throws right handed?

Right handed he’d be better than the options for the 4th and 5th spots.

[TylerD]

Sale will throw on the side on Friday. That may be the team’s biggest “must win” of the season.

 

Anything is a positive right now lol.

[mvp 78]

@mlbtraderumors

Chris Sale Begins Throwing Program

[Kimmi]

@mlbtraderumors

Chris Sale Begins Throwing Program

 

Woohoo! Some actual baseball news!

 

Interesting to see how he comes through this.

[BDP]

Seems like a good egg. He only tore up those jerseys because they sucked and were horrible to play in. Unlike what thunder used to say, I think that makes him a good teammate. Maybe he's a pain in the ass employee, but he's a good teammate.

 

 

If he was slated to pitch that day then he hurts his team. Creating distraction over a uniform while getting paid millions. Can’t agree with that.

[BDP]

31 million!!!!

Losing record last year

Shut down several times and on pitch counts before the age of 30.

[mvp 78]

If he was slated to pitch that day then he hurts his team. Creating distraction over a uniform while getting paid millions. Can’t agree with that.

 

Good thing COVID became a bigger distraction then.

[Bellhorn04]

31 million!!!!

Losing record last year

Shut down several times and on pitch counts before the age of 30.

 

31 million what?

[S5Dewey]

If he was slated to pitch that day then he hurts his team. Creating distraction over a uniform while getting paid millions. Can’t agree with that.

 

Ahhhh yes. This is the way opinions get changed, by spewing something starting with the word "if". Suddenly the "if" becomes "possibly", then it elevates to "probably" as it gets more discussion, and ends up as a certainty.

 

Here's the first thing that should be asked: WAS he supposed to pitch that day? If so your position may have have some credibility. If not it automatically has none.