Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[S5Dewey]

I'm not claiming the trade value site is super accurate or all that trustworthy, but it's interesting to see how lopsided they viewed the trade. It would not have been accepted due to LA not getting enough value.

 

Price: -55.3 Value/owed $96M. Break even number: $41.7M. The Dodgers are paying $48M, so we gained $6.3M in "value."

 

Betts: +50.7 Value (despite the $27M/1 contract)

 

Verdugo: +47.7 Value

J Downs: +21.7 Value

C Wong: +4.3 Value

Total: 73.7 Value

 

Sox net gain on talent: +23

Sox net gain on Price: +6.3

 

Total Sox gain: +29.3

 

 

What?? Are you saying a computer was WRONG???

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm not claiming the trade value site is super accurate or all that trustworthy, but it's interesting to see how lopsided they viewed the trade. It would not have been accepted due to LA not getting enough value.

 

Price: -55.3 Value/owed $96M. Break even number: $41.7M. The Dodgers are paying $48M, so we gained $6.3M in "value."

 

Betts: +50.7 Value (despite the $27M/1 contract)

 

Verdugo: +47.7 Value

J Downs: +21.7 Value

C Wong: +4.3 Value

Total: 73.7 Value

 

Sox net gain on talent: +23

Sox net gain on Price: +6.3

 

Total Sox gain: +29.3

 

 

I made fun of it, but only because a lot of guys made fun of me all winter when I insisted Bloom would hold out for a haul of prospects and/or MLB-ready players. But I was convinced he had to win this trade, at least in getting Verdugo on the dollar, and not Pederson, Pollock, Myers or Nimmo. I was also convinced -- like a lot of people -- that an "overpay" would only come from a club going for it now (with a deep farm), like LA or Atlanta. I realized the latter was a longshot and hoped I was wrong... still wish...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I know that some of you guys have pre-teen kids who like baseball. When I walk my dog, at times kids wearing Red Sox hats or shirts come over to greet the dog. I always ask them who is their favorite player. Almost every single time, the answer is Mookie Betts. Many of them are easy to identify, because they are wearing Betts shirts. It remind me of when my son was that age in the late 90's and all the kids loved Nomar. When the Sox traded Nomar, he was 30 yrs old and physically shot. Those kids who are Mookie fans are crushed.

 

You mean like my 8-year-old, who owns five different Betts shirts and trick-or-treated the last three Halloweens dressed as Mookie?

[a700hitter]

You mean like my 8-year-old, who owns five different Betts shirts and trick-or-treated the last three Halloweens dressed as Mookie?

Poor kid.

[moonslav59]

I just wish he would give one straight answer to a straight question. It's hard to trust politicians, which is what they all sound like now... except maybe BOH -- he actually looked pissed or troubled sitting up there tonight. Maybe it's because he's been with Betts from the beginning; Bloom the outsider has no emotional connection or past (maybe that's why he hired, as the perfect executioner).

 

I'm thinking Henry will be okay with going over the tax line again, but probably not by $40M. He may be very harsh on mega deals for long years (Good bye Betts for good)

 

I'm thinking he hired Bloom to find multiple moderate deals instead of just a few big deals, while also rebuilding the farm to the point where we can count on a steady stream of young, low cost players from withing the organization- hopefully even a starting pitcher or two.

 

It may take much longer to get back to serious contention than I'm hoping for, but I think we are now on the right track by building up the farm and freeing up a large chunk of the budget for 3 years.

 

He's probably not done. He may find a way to dump more salary before season's end. He may find a few bargain players that help us in 2020 and or beyond, but my real optimism lies in the upcoming winter, when Bloom may have a sizable spending budget to use. If Henry insists on another under tax season in 2021, we may have to wait longer to be significant, but even so, having Bloom is perfect for that situation, too.

 

 

 

[moonslav59]

What?? Are you saying a computer was WRONG???

 

No, the computer says LA got hosed.

[moonslav59]

I made fun of it, but only because a lot of guys made fun of me all winter when I insisted Bloom would hold out for a haul of prospects and/or MLB-ready players. But I was convinced he had to win this trade, at least in getting Verdugo on the dollar, and not Pederson, Pollock, Myers or Nimmo. I was also convinced -- like a lot of people -- that an "overpay" would only come from a club going for it now (with a deep farm), like LA or Atlanta. I realized the latter was a longshot and hoped I was wrong... still wish...

 

I thought taking back Pollock instead of paying $48M for Price made sense, since we'd get an OF'er, still save a ton on the tax budget and get someone like Verdugo as well. (I was hoping for Gonsolin and Cartaya or Gonsolin, Gray and Wong.)

 

I was okay with getting Myers, but only if they took Price.

[moonslav59]

You mean like my 8-year-old, who owns five different Betts shirts and trick-or-treated the last three Halloweens dressed as Mookie?

 

I've only owned one Sox shirt with a name on the back.

 

I still wear it to mow the lawn and do yard work.

 

The name: Josh Beckett.

 

(It was gifted to me.)

 

[notin]

You mean like my 8-year-old, who owns five different Betts shirts and trick-or-treated the last three Halloweens dressed as Mookie?

 

Get some white tape and write the words “Curse of Mookie” in big red capital letters and strap it across his chest in full Betts gear, and - boom - brand new costume.

 

Except it won’t actually make the “boom” noise. You must provide your own sound effects...

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm thinking Henry will be okay with going over the tax line again, but probably not by $40M. He may be very harsh on mega deals for long years (Good bye Betts for good)

 

I'm thinking he hired Bloom to find multiple moderate deals instead of just a few big deals, while also rebuilding the farm to the point where we can count on a steady stream of young, low cost players from withing the organization- hopefully even a starting pitcher or two.

 

It may take much longer to get back to serious contention than I'm hoping for, but I think we are now on the right track by building up the farm and freeing up a large chunk of the budget for 3 years.

 

He's probably not done. He may find a way to dump more salary before season's end. He may find a few bargain players that help us in 2020 and or beyond, but my real optimism lies in the upcoming winter, when Bloom may have a sizable spending budget to use. If Henry insists on another under tax season in 2021, we may have to wait longer to be significant, but even so, having Bloom is perfect for that situation, too.

 

 

 

 

2021 FA market is nowhere near as good

[moonslav59]

2021 FA market is nowhere near as good

 

He's not going to be looking for big names, but if he does, there's a guy named Mookie.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

2021 FA market is nowhere near as good

 

Totally agree. And what I've been wondering all winter -- now that Mookie is gone, who exactly are the Sox going to spend all that savings on in a year to boost this club back into contention? Are Henry and Co. all of sudden really going to be satisfied with Bloom stockpiling middling interchangeable prospects that may only ensure Boston will just be ok?

 

Or in two years, will ownership pull another Sybil, snap out of their stupor, and go all in on Lindor -- who just might be the perfect replacement for Betts: a five-tool, always smiling superstar, who may be even more valuable as a switch-hitting shortstop?

[mvp 78]

I've only owned one Sox shirt with a name on the back.

 

I still wear it to mow the lawn and do yard work.

 

The name: Josh Beckett.

 

(It was gifted to me.)

 

 

Paplebum, Youk, Ortiz, Nixon

[moonslav59]

MLBTR...

 

So, why do the deal? Not long ago, Bloom says, he expected to keep Betts for 2020. But “teams stepped forward” with increased offers over the course of the offseason. The ultimate package achieved constitutes a “major step forward” for the Boston organization’s future, in Bloom’s view.

[mvp 78]

MLBTR...

 

So, why do the deal? Not long ago, Bloom says, he expected to keep Betts for 2020. But “teams stepped forward” with increased offers over the course of the offseason. The ultimate package achieved constitutes a “major step forward” for the Boston organization’s future, in Bloom’s view.

Weird cuz Bloom said he would have traded Betts if they were only 5M over.

[moonslav59]

Totally agree. And what I've been wondering all winter -- now that Mookie is gone, who exactly are the Sox going to spend all that savings on in a year to boost this club back into contention? Are Henry and Co. all of sudden really going to be satisfied with Bloom stockpiling middling interchangeable prospects that may only ensure Boston will just be ok?

 

Or in two years, will ownership pull another Sybil, snap out of their stupor, and go all in on Lindor -- who just might be the perfect replacement for Betts: a five-tool, always smiling superstar, who may be even more valuable as a switch-hitting shortstop?

 

Why not sign Betts? An OF of beni, Betts & Verdugo is pretty damn good.

 

The IF might be Moreland (Chavis/Dalebec) at 1B, Down (Peraza/Chavis) at 2B, Devers at 3B and Bogey at SS.

 

We'd still need some pitching, but with a clean slate on taxes, and JBJ dropping off the rolls, we might be able to afford Betts and a SP'er and not come close to the $40M line.

 

[Jasonbay44]

I’ve actually had a decent amount of player shirts. They’re good for pickup games and working out. Manny, Pedro, Ortiz, Pedroia, Mookie, Ellsbury and Price. A decent amount were gifts. Only ones I still have are Pedro and Mookie

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

We never know what we think we do, especially after Rice's comments about Mookie's supposed comments... but I will be more shocked if Betts signs with Boston than when the Red Sox traded him just when he was entering his prime, after six years of 42 WAR ....

[Tedballgame]

I’ve actually had a decent amount of player shirts. They’re good for pickup games and working out. Manny, Pedro, Ortiz, Pedroia, Mookie, Ellsbury and Price. A decent amount were gifts. Only ones I still have are Pedro and Mookie

I have Ted Williams, Dice-K (don't know why) and brand new never worn Mookie Betts jerseys. I have Big Papi and Ted's jerseys T-shirts. Need to get a Yaz!

[Tedballgame]

I’ve actually had a decent amount of player shirts. They’re good for pickup games and working out. Manny, Pedro, Ortiz, Pedroia, Mookie, Ellsbury and Price. A decent amount were gifts. Only ones I still have are Pedro and Mookie

I also have a brand new, never worn 2004 Red Sox WS championship T-shirt autographed on the field during the celebration at Busch Stadium by Big Papi, Varitek, Bronson Arroyo and Ellis Burks. Treasure!

[moonslav59]

Assuming Betts does not sign an extension. Who will be the serious bidders?

 

Probably not the Cubs or Giants.

I'm not sure the Yankees will go large and long, but it would be a knife in the back of all Sox fans.

 

The Dodger, yes.

The Braves and Padres? Hmm...

St. Louis?

Colorado?

The Angels?

Houston?

Texas?

Toronto?

 

I'm not seeing anyone but the Dodgers than make a stronger case than Boston to sign Betts.

 

It appears he loved it here.

 

To me, it's all about Henry's view on the long term budget and large and long contracts and Blooms position on such types of deals. How hard, if at all, will he push Henry for the money to make a mega offer.

 

It would certainly shake Red Sox Nation to sign him and have Verdugo, Downs and Wong plus the Price savings to boot.

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

Assuming Betts does not sign an extension. Who will be the serious bidders?

 

Probably not the Cubs or Giants.

I'm not sure the Yankees will go large and long, but it would be a knife in the back of all Sox fans.

 

The Dodger, yes.

The Braves and Padres? Hmm...

St. Louis?

Colorado?

The Angels?

Houston?

Texas?

Toronto?

 

I'm not seeing anyone but the Dodgers than make a stronger case than Boston to sign Betts.

 

It appears he loved it here.

 

To me, it's all about Henry's view on the long term budget and large and long contracts and Blooms position on such types of deals. How hard, if at all, will he push Henry for the money to make a mega offer.

 

It would certainly shake Red Sox Nation to sign him and have Verdugo, Downs and Wong plus the Price savings to boot.

 

 

He will be back with Boston 10 years 350

[notin]

Assuming Betts does not sign an extension. Who will be the serious bidders?

 

Probably not the Cubs or Giants.

I'm not sure the Yankees will go large and long, but it would be a knife in the back of all Sox fans.

 

The Dodger, yes.

The Braves and Padres? Hmm...

St. Louis?

Colorado?

The Angels?

Houston?

Texas?

Toronto?

 

I'm not seeing anyone but the Dodgers than make a stronger case than Boston to sign Betts.

 

It appears he loved it here.

 

To me, it's all about Henry's view on the long term budget and large and long contracts and Blooms position on such types of deals. How hard, if at all, will he push Henry for the money to make a mega offer.

 

It would certainly shake Red Sox Nation to sign him and have Verdugo, Downs and Wong plus the Price savings to boot.

 

 

I see the serious suitors as Red Sox, Mets and Nationals. But there’s usually a surprise team, so I’m going to say that Dark Horse is the Toronto Blue Jays, who normally aren’t big spenders, but their low cost “Sons of Infield” does give them some extra cash to spend...

[moonslav59]

I see the serious suitors as Red Sox, Mets and Nationals. But there’s usually a surprise team, so I’m going to say that Dark Horse is the Toronto Blue Jays, who normally aren’t big spenders, but their low cost “Sons of Infield” does give them some extra cash to spend...

 

I thought about Toronto as a dark horse, too.....

 

I like our chances against the Mets, Nats and Jays, but the Dodgers can outbid us, if they want. If they win a ring, they may pass, but if not, it won't look good losing Betts and 3 young players and nothing else really big on the market.

[Jasonbay44]

I thought about Toronto as a dark horse, too.....

 

I like our chances against the Mets, Nats and Jays, but the Dodgers can outbid us, if they want. If they win a ring, they may pass, but if not, it won't look good losing Betts and 3 young players and nothing else really big on the market.

 

I think if they win a ring, they'll gladly trade those three players for it and not think about it twice, especially with all the heartbreak they've had in the playoffs.

[moonslav59]

I think if they win a ring, they'll gladly trade those three players for it and not think about it twice, especially with all the heartbreak they've had in the playoffs.

 

Agreed, just like Price helping us win that ring makes his signing tolerable.

 

If the Dodgers win with Betts, I think we become the faves to sign him. ($380M/11)

[Hitch]

I just wish he would give one straight answer to a straight question. It's hard to trust politicians, which is what they all sound like now... except maybe BOH -- he actually looked pissed or troubled sitting up there tonight. Maybe it's because he's been with Betts from the beginning; Bloom the outsider has no emotional connection or past (maybe that's why he hired, as the perfect executioner).

 

You can't have it all ways though. People have been (rightly) saying that Henry gave too much away when he said we needed to be under the tax this year.

 

Bloom's job is not to keep the fans updated. It's to do the best for the club. If he has to be vague or use misdirection, so be it.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Now that he is out of Fenway Park, Betts could have a down year offensively in spacious Dodgers stadium. And since defense is often the first area of decline, the big offers might not be there for Betts. If that is the case, the Red Sox could swoop in with the best offer and Betts might appreciate a return to the comfortable confines of Fenway Park.

 

On other other hand, if Betts has a huge year for the Dodgers, an MVP season, some team will offer Betts a massive contract and it probably won't be the Red Sox.

 

Betts is clearly a money guy -- he goes to the highest bidder no matter what. If the Long Island Ducks made the highest offer, he would go there.

 

In the worst scenario for the Dodgers, they lose Betts in free agency but gain a compensation pick. The compensation pick would make up for one of the three players traded to the Red Sox.

Edited February 11, 2020 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Price helping us win that ring makes his signing tolerable.

 

If he returns to Fenway as a visiting player, I'm confident the Fenway Faithful will give Price a standing ovation. We can't forget what he did for the Red Sox in 2018. He basically carried the pitching staff late in the playoffs when it looked like Sale had nothing left. As a result, I'll always have fond memories of Price and I'll remember what he did in the 2018 postseason. If I'm not mistaken, he make a spectacular start on short rest against the Dodgers. He could have won the World Series MVP, but I guess Pearce deserved it too.

[fxkatt]

One of the downsides of being overpaid is loss of fan support. I've always been pro-Price as a pitcher and person, but I was absolutely opposed to signing him for that price, and therefore withdrew somewhat as a fan of his. I think you want to get your money, but too much almost always means under-performance and thus fans' displeasure or at least the disappointment of the less star-crossed fans.