Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[jung]

There is one way we could restock the farm quickly. We could pull a Chapman trade at the deadline using one of our remaining stars. But now that Mookie is gone, who would that be?

 

We are not moving X or Rafi for anything. Beyond those two players unless Sale gets all the way to the deadline looking sound who would give up a haul for the end season of one of our other stars? Maybe somebody would give up solid prospects for Erod if he just rolls into 2020 like he rolled out of 2019.

 

JD, Maybe.....Vaz, NO.......Beni, No.....JBJ, NO......Eovaldi......NO

[mvp 78]

There is one way we could restock the farm quickly. We could pull a Chapman trade at the deadline using one of our remaining stars. But now that Mookie is gone, who would that be?

 

We are not moving X or Rafi for anything. Beyond those two players unless Sale gets all the way to the deadline looking sound who would give up a haul for the end season of one of our other stars? Maybe somebody would give up solid prospects for Erod if he just rolls into 2020 like he rolled out of 2019.

 

JD, Maybe.....Vaz, NO.......Beni, No.....JBJ, NO......Eovaldi......NO

 

You'd get far more assets if you moved that player BEFORE the season. Not sure what other movable asset they have right now.

 

Yes:

Benny

ERod

 

Maybe:

Vaz

Barnes

 

Not unless you eat a lot of salary:

Eovaldi

JD Martinez

Sale

JBJ

 

To me, trading Xander and Devers is a non starter. If they moved anyone else, I wouldn't be too upset.

 

Does bringing Dalbec up make Chavis expendable? Move Dalbec instead?

[jung]

You'd get far more assets if you moved that player BEFORE the season. Not sure what other movable asset they have right now.

 

Yes:

Benny

ERod

 

Maybe:

Vaz

Barnes

 

Not unless you eat a lot of salary:

Eovaldi

JD Martinez

Sale

JBJ

 

To me, trading Xander and Devers is a non starter. If they moved anyone else, I wouldn't be too upset.

 

Does bringing Dalbec up make Chavis expendable? Move Dalbec instead?

 

If you are going to move Chavis, move him off his 2019 before he starts swinging and missing at everything that is not a fat Slider right down Main St or a horribly located Change in 2020.

[moonslav59]

Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

 

We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

 

We may not like this but it may be what we need.

 

As I posted much earlier....the Dodgers are risk takers for one and they are as devoted in this ownership group to winning it all as the previous ownership group was. That is why I said it would be the Dodgers early in this process.

 

I don't think they really care if they resign Mookie particularly if they win it this year and they are willing to gamble on Price for half his salary to win it this year.

 

The Dodgers will likely be as disinterested in signing Mookie for 10-12 years as we will be.

 

They will also replenish the farm by moving Pederson.

[mvp 78]

They will also replenish the farm by moving Pederson.

 

That's not going to bring much back.

[mvp 78]

If you are going to move Chavis, move him off his 2019 before he starts swinging and missing at everything that is not a fat Slider right down Main St or a horribly located Change in 2020.

 

Fine with me. If they aren't going to compete, just move everyone that they don't feel will contribute in 2021.

[moonslav59]

Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

 

We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

 

We may not like this but it may be what we need.

 

You'd get far more assets if you moved that player BEFORE the season. Not sure what other movable asset they have right now.

 

Yes:

Benny

ERod

 

Maybe:

Vaz

Barnes

 

Not unless you eat a lot of salary:

Eovaldi

JD Martinez

Sale

JBJ

 

To me, trading Xander and Devers is a non starter. If they moved anyone else, I wouldn't be too upset.

 

Does bringing Dalbec up make Chavis expendable? Move Dalbec instead?

 

To me, and I'm only speculating, these players may be at peak trade value right now:

 

Workman (I have always liked this guy, but he has one year left and had a career year in 2019.)

 

Walden (He keeps doing well without really having great stuff.)

 

Chavis (Had 2-3 great weeks followed by sun .700 the rest of the year, although he kept getting key hits and rbis)

 

Duran (Had an incredible BAbip, and I'm not sure he can continue that, despite his great speed.)

 

??? Barnes (His stock fell, last year, so he's not really at his peak, but he may not return to 2018 levels ever again. He has 2 years left.)

 

JD & Eovaldi may be deadline trade material.

 

I would not trade Sale. He's a fierce competitor and still has tremendous upside even if he has lost velocity for good.

[Slasher9]

trade deadline is great time to maximize RP trade value.

[jung]

Thread Title: Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

 

Essentially FOR NOTHING!!!!

 

Don't want to hear about Verdugo. Couldn't care less.

 

Gatorade does turn out to be have an arm falling off before he has even thrown one pitch in 2020.

 

Now we are hoping for Maeda.

 

Now that I think about it, how many times have mandates from the owner turned out to be a good deal for the team?

Edited February 6, 2020 by jung

[jad]

You are so right about those ticket prices and the fans. I'm a disturbed disgruntled fan right now. it is the players on the field that matter to me. Giving away a future Hall of Famer for likely very little in return, does it for me. I would be curious to know if there are any others seeing things as I do. I have no interest in paying the price to visit Fenway again. This is usually where someone says that I'm whining or not looking at things correctly. Possibly true I guess but there you go.

 

Come on, man. If you follow a player like that on the field, you are no longer a true fan (or at least a true fan as measured by posters on sports boards), whose primary concerns are fantasy leagues, diwx97jacWAR, and competitive GM-ing

[mvp 78]

Thread Title: Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

 

Essentially FOR NOTHING!!!!

 

Don't want to hear about Verdugo. Couldn't care less.

 

Gatorade does turn out to be have an arm falling off before he has even thrown one pitch in 2020.

 

Now we are hoping for Maeda.

 

Now that I think about it, how many times have mandates from the owner turned out to be a good deal for the team?

 

I'm starting to come around on the trade now.

[iortiz]

Don’t ask.

LOL! Why? Update me.

[mvp 78]

LOL! Why? Update me.

 

There's a website that estimates every player's trade value. You can make up a bunch of wild scenarios like the Red Sox trading 4 players and getting back 7. Basically, every post this offseason has come down to an argument of "yeah, well the trade simulator says that's a good/bad deal, so that's that."

[iortiz]

Good post Mr. Ortiz.

 

Thank you Bell.

 

Geez, I don't want to see Betts walk but It had to be done unfortunately for die-hard Red Sox fans like some of us. Hopefully the new direction of how the team is going to be managed moving forward drive us to another WS before the decade ends.

[Slasher9]

fun fact:

not 1 single Red Sox player that i follow on IG has posted anything about Mookie.

No "farewells"

No "great teammate gonna be missed"

Not even a "take care pal"

 

in this day of social media this lack of his former teammates posting anything to/about Mookie speaks VOLUMES.

the current working conspiracy theory is that perhaps Mr. Mookie Betts was not beloved by his teammates.

[sk7326]

What pitcher(s) did you expect Mookie to bring back in a trade?

 

at least one controllable starter/high minor prospect as valuable as Eduardo Rodriguez, and at least one pitcher who might take up a mid-back rotation spot in 2020.

[mvp 78]

fun fact:

not 1 single Red Sox player that i follow on IG has posted anything about Mookie.

No "farewells"

No "great teammate gonna be missed"

Not even a "take care pal"

 

in this day of social media this lack of his former teammates posting anything to/about Mookie speaks VOLUMES.

the current working conspiracy theory is that perhaps Mr. Mookie Betts was not beloved by his teammates.

 

Maybe because the deal hasn't been finalized yet?

 

Your tea leaf reading is a little silly though.

[sk7326]

Well the options were 1) deal him for what you can get or 2) keep him, hope to make up the 18 game division deficit somewhere else, and then lose him for a draft pick.

 

3) keep negotiating because people say lots of things - and the deal you had now (a relief prospect and an outfielder) would likely have been there at the deadline

[iortiz]

There's a website that estimates every player's trade value. You can make up a bunch of wild scenarios like the Red Sox trading 4 players and getting back 7. Basically, every post this offseason has come down to an argument of "yeah, well the trade simulator says that's a good/bad deal, so that's that."

 

ohhh I thought It was just a joke but it actually exists? Geez, I'm getting old LOL!

 

Hopefully that trade simulator is right in this case like moon said then...

[Bellhorn04]

fun fact:

not 1 single Red Sox player that i follow on IG has posted anything about Mookie.

No "farewells"

No "great teammate gonna be missed"

Not even a "take care pal"

 

in this day of social media this lack of his former teammates posting anything to/about Mookie speaks VOLUMES.

the current working conspiracy theory is that perhaps Mr. Mookie Betts was not beloved by his teammates.

 

Hmmm...to add to that conspiracy theory, I think I read that when Mookie agreed to his 27 mill this year, part of the deal was that he got a private suite on the road.

[Slasher9]

3) keep negotiating because people say lots of things - and the deal you had now (a relief prospect and an outfielder) would likely have been there at the deadline

 

i think you are missing 1 simple fact. JH mandated the LT to be reset this year. this deal at the deadline would not have accomplished that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Bellhorn04]

at least one controllable starter/high minor prospect as valuable as Eduardo Rodriguez, and at least one pitcher who might take up a mid-back rotation spot in 2020.

 

I think you're overestimating what teams were willing to give up for one year of Mookie at 27 million.

[iortiz]

fun fact:

not 1 single Red Sox player that i follow on IG has posted anything about Mookie.

No "farewells"

No "great teammate gonna be missed"

Not even a "take care pal"

 

in this day of social media this lack of his former teammates posting anything to/about Mookie speaks VOLUMES.

the current working conspiracy theory is that perhaps Mr. Mookie Betts was not beloved by his teammates.

 

 

I think JD posted just an unhappy face emoji on Twitter. I guess it was regarding MB but Im not sure.

[Bellhorn04]

i think you are missing 1 simple fact. JH mandated the LT to be reset this year. this deal at the deadline would not have accomplished that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

Exactly right.

[sk7326]

Henry lost his way after the back to back last place finishes. He really did. He did an about face pretty much everything he believed in since he became the Sox owner. IMO, he is now trying to get back to his previous ways, hence the sudden whiplash.

 

I don't think the return for Mookie constitutes a steep discount, not after considering the years of control we are getting in the two players.

 

The mistake, IMO, was including Price as nothing more than a salary dump.

 

Given his two about faces in three years - who knows what his beliefs are. What is clear is that he did this for money.

 

What they got for Mookie was a steep discount - they traded the sort of player who teams NEVER trade and got nothing close to the equivalent ceiling back. They chose lining investors pockets over getting proper baseball value back. Like, the Red Sox got more pitching ceiling back from dealing Andrew Miller at the trade deadline. They did get some 2020 help back - Verdugo might not be an all-star but he projects to be a perfectly acceptable corner outfielder. The pitcher looks like a guy with a ton of injury history who could be a starter if you squint really hard.

 

You'd like to think Mookie Betts would at least cause a ripple in the Dodgers' prospect rankings - but there you go.

[sk7326]

i think you are missing 1 simple fact. JH mandated the LT to be reset this year. this deal at the deadline would not have accomplished that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I'm not at all. Henry mandated saving money - and so he mandated moving an elite player (the sort who basically never gets dealt) for that purpose. The beginning of the Russillo Pod here puts it well: https://www.theringer.com/2020/2/5/21125232/charissa-thompson-plus-mookie-betts-and-nba-trade-deadline-moves

[mvp 78]

i think you are missing 1 simple fact. JH mandated the LT to be reset this year. this deal at the deadline would not have accomplished that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

That's just not true. Henry stated that it didn't matter if they went under or not.

 

Are you disagreeing with Henry?

[mvp 78]

Exactly right.

 

Sad that you are calling Henry a liar.

[mvp 78]

ohhh I thought It was just a joke but it actually exists? Geez, I'm getting old LOL!

 

Hopefully that trade simulator is right in this case like moon said then...

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

[mvp 78]

I just traded Benny and Walden for Quantril, Margot and Campusano! Get it done Bloom.