2018 Red Sox cheating scandal

[notin]

Absaf***INGtively.

 

Replay in baseball has been as poorly implemented as I thought it would be. Its a joke. The way its used on the basepaths is not baseball. Keep the equipment in place and send the video up to MLB on a proprietary video feed. I could care less what the frigging teams think should be reviewed.

 

Lets the Managers go out and argue calls again. In the meantime if headquarters thinks a catch or a HR should be reviewed, FINE. Maybe plays at the plate....FINE. Other then that, it has been a massive failure IMO, just a complete buzz kill. Give me Managers going out on the diamond to tussle with the field umps again. You kids don't know what you are missing.

 

Well a lot of that is the open-to-interpretation rules and how some overturned calls can be problematic for positioning base runners...

[Bellhorn04]

Absaf***INGtively.

 

Replay in baseball has been as poorly implemented as I thought it would be. Its a joke. The way its used on the basepaths is not baseball. Keep the equipment in place and send the video up to MLB on a proprietary video feed. I could care less what the frigging teams think should be reviewed.

 

Or at least the managers have to challenge a call based on the naked eye.

 

Getting rid of the video could have multiple benefits.

[jung]

The simplest thing would be to enforce the existing pitch clock rules

 

On who? The pitch count rule is on the pitchers and its the hitters strolling around HP sucking up all this time so the team At Bat can get all its ducks in a row is the issue here.

[jung]

Or at least the managers have to challenge a call based on the naked eye.

 

Getting rid of the video could have multiple benefits.

 

i get no thrill out of seeing what I know is a talented ballplayer simply lose contact with the bag for 1 nanosecond and I also get no thrill from watching a talented fielder simply hold his glove on the runner hoping that a superslowmo replay will show that he held the tag for that one nanosecond. I COULDN'T CARE LESS! The play is over. The runner is safe. DONE!

[a700hitter]

i get no thrill out of seeing what I know is a talented ballplayer simply lose contact with the bag for 1 nanosecond and I also get no thrill from watching a talented fielder simply hold his glove on the runner hoping that a superslowmo replay will show that he held the tag for that one nanosecond. I COULDN'T CARE LESS! The play is over. The runner is safe. DONE!

I agree. It is a waste of time.

[jad]

Or at least the managers have to challenge a call based on the naked eye.

 

Getting rid of the video could have multiple benefits.

 

The easiest way to fix that absurd safe/out call on a slide where the runner loses contact is simply to make a rule that on a slide, once the runner makes contact with the base, he is considered "in contact" with it as long as he is over the base during the slide (i.e., doesn't slide past it). That's essentially the way it's been called for 150 years, and to change it because of some idiotic replay review is ridiculous.

[notin]

The easiest way to fix that absurd safe/out call on a slide where the runner loses contact is simply to make a rule that on a slide, once the runner makes contact with the base, he is considered "in contact" with it as long as he is over the base during the slide (i.e., doesn't slide past it). That's essentially the way it's been called for 150 years, and to change it because of some idiotic replay review is ridiculous.

 

Or... just call everybody out at second base...

[jung]

The easiest way to fix that absurd safe/out call on a slide where the runner loses contact is simply to make a rule that on a slide, once the runner makes contact with the base, he is considered "in contact" with it as long as he is over the base during the slide (i.e., doesn't slide past it). That's essentially the way it's been called for 150 years, and to change it because of some idiotic replay review is ridiculous.

 

Good point. My point is that the entire business of replay in baseball is a cluster. Its an utter failure. At best its a giant buzz kill. Get all that video crap out of the hands of the teams and leave MLB to replay and overrule plays at home where your notion of out and safe exists already (touch the plate before the catcher gets to you and you are safe no matter what happens after that), plus catches that are questionable and HR's. Every other play that they now review would no longer be reviewed. The teams would get to decide NOTHING about replay. But they do get to argue calls again.

[jacksonianmarch]

We are getting lost in the weeds here. Houston’s punishment is coming soon. Once it comes down, you’ll see if the MLB is punishing the org vs the personnel. If it’s Hinch and Luhnow getting punished but the draft capital and IFA spending budgets left intact, then that would bode well for Boston.

[jad]

Or... just call everybody out at second base...

 

Now there's a thought! Of course! Since perfect contact cannot exist, right? If you check the runner with an electron microscope, he will never actually make contact with the base at all, since "contact", "safe," ... and hell, even "base-hood" are philosophical constructs that have no counterparts in the real world. Runner is OUT! That's it.

[notin]

Now there's a thought! Of course! Since perfect contact cannot exist, right? If you check the runner with an electron microscope, he will never actually make contact with the base at all, since "contact", "safe," ... and hell, even "base-hood" are philosophical constructs that have no counterparts in the real world. Runner is OUT! That's it.

 

Not all that. It’s just easier. Plus it sends a better message to the kids about stealing...

[jad]

Not all that. It’s just easier. Plus it sends a better message to the kids about stealing...

 

Ah yes. We too often forget the kids! Replay is great, bec. it teaches them the valuable lesson that unseen authorities are ALWAYS right.

[notin]

Ah yes. We too often forget the kids! Replay is great, bec. it teaches them the valuable lesson that unseen authorities are ALWAYS right.

 

 

And that everything they do is recorded for use against them ...

[Slasher9]

if abner doubleday had the technology when the game was invented then replays, robot umps, etc would all be part of the game.

EVOLVE people. its not that hard.

if you are not in contact with a base/bag and are tagged with the baseball...you are OUT. don't want to be out? learn how to slide without popping off the bag.

for all you "traditionalists"...take a look at some old timey video of old timey players sliding. no head first. no pop up. no swim move.

you want tradition so bad? ban that stuff.

but the rules were written that if you are tagged while not in contact with the bag you are OUT.

[Bellhorn04]

if abner doubleday had the technology when the game was invented then replays, robot umps, etc would all be part of the game.

EVOLVE people. its not that hard.

if you are not in contact with a base/bag and are tagged with the baseball...you are OUT. don't want to be out? learn how to slide without popping off the bag.

for all you "traditionalists"...take a look at some old timey video of old timey players sliding. no head first. no pop up. no swim move.

you want tradition so bad? ban that stuff.

but the rules were written that if you are tagged while not in contact with the bag you are OUT.

 

Well, they could replace the bags with holograms.

 

Those bags are pretty low-tech.

[Slasher9]

Well, they could replace the bags with holograms.

 

Those bags are pretty low-tech.

 

i am not opposed to this idea but having a "physical" bag does give the sliding player something to hook on to and also the fielder to "find" with his feet when it's a force play.

hows this for technology -

My 14u team has been playing in a winter league that is strictly in a batting cage. you choose 5 players for each game.

a pitching machine is set and hitter contact is analyzed by a computer tracking system and simulated results are projected onto a display. no running, no fielding. just hit the baseball and the computer tells you what you did (hit, out, gidp, sac fly, etc).

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[mvp 78]

After robot umps, I want them to add the extra orange bag at 1b.

[a700hitter]

What is the league waiting for in meting out punishment. They can’t suspend Cora as they break camp to come north.

[mvp 78]

What is the league waiting for in meting out punishment. They can’t suspend Cora as they break camp to come north.

 

There won't be any punishment for Cora.

[notin]

There won't be any punishment for Cora.

 

You’d never have to worry about this kind of thing if we had Robot Managers...

[mvp 78]

You’d never have to worry about this kind of thing if we had Robot Managers...

 

Unnecessary. The oldest player on the team should automatically become manager.

[notin]

Unnecessary. The oldest player on the team should automatically become manager.

 

No. Robot managers. That way you never have to suspend them. You just reboot them...

[mvp 78]

No. Robot managers. That way you never have to suspend them. You just reboot them...

 

No suspensions, just water dunk tanks.

[notin]

No suspensions, just water dunk tanks.

 

And you never have to fire them; you just repurpose them as vending machines...

[mvp 78]

And you never have to fire them; you just repurpose them as vending machines...

 

Those things are bad for your health. Maybe a claw machine that selects the next 40th man on the roster.

[notin]

Those things are bad for your health. Maybe a claw machine that selects the next 40th man on the roster.

 

It can be programmed to be a healthy vending machine. Every time someone puts money in, it breaks down and never dispenses any unhealthy snacks...

[mvp 78]

@JeffPassan

BREAKING: Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have been suspended for one year after an MLB investigation found the team used technology to cheat during its World Series-winning 2017 season, sources familiar with the punishment tell ESPN.

[OH FOY]

My not be true heard the Astros GM and Manager both suspended for the year.

[mvp 78]

@JeffPassan

Additionally, MLB will fine the Astros $5 million and take away their first- and second-round picks in the 2020 and 2021 drafts, sources tell ESPN.

[mvp 78]

@OverTheMonster

Total guess: Cora gets at least a year too. The Red Sox stuff wasn't *as* bad as the Astros, but he was involved in both and the Red Sox were warned in the previous season.