Yankees Release Ellsbury

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees, BTW, have filed a grievance against Ellsbury to recoup some money because he used an outside facility while rehabbing.

 

Maybe he should give some back for being such a wimp. I hated this signing and am just glad there is only one more year on the books

[moonslav59]

The Yankees, BTW, have filed a grievance against Ellsbury to recoup some money because he used an outside facility while rehabbing.

 

Was that "facility" the same place Kraft went to?

[Slasher9]

The Yankees, BTW, have filed a grievance against Ellsbury to recoup some money because he used an outside facility while rehabbing.

 

what a bush league move by the yankees. what a terribly run organization. so embarrassing. hahahahahaha.

[notin]

what a bush league move by the yankees. what a terribly run organization. so embarrassing. hahahahahaha.

 

It is a Bush League move. The guy was actually trying to get himself into playing shape.

 

Even the Red Sox did not try to recoup anything from Sandoval, and Sandoval was trying to get himself into any shape other than playing...

[Bellhorn04]

It is a Bush League move. The guy was actually trying to get himself into playing shape.

 

Even the Red Sox did not try to recoup anything from Sandoval, and Sandoval was trying to get himself into any shape other than playing...

 

The difference, I believe, is that Sandoval had language explicitly written into his contract acknowledging that he was never in shape and never would be in shape.

[notin]

The difference, I believe, is that Sandoval had language explicitly written into his contract acknowledging that he was never in shape and never would be in shape.

 

... which Pablo then interpreted to mean he was contractually obligated to eat a steady diet of Twinkies and non-steroidal milkshakes, although I think that may not be what the clause meant...

[Slasher9]

It is a Bush League move. The guy was actually trying to get himself into playing shape.

 

Even the Red Sox did not try to recoup anything from Sandoval, and Sandoval was trying to get himself into any shape other than playing...

 

round is the shape he was shooting for

[notin]

round is the shape he was shooting for

 

Spherical, specifically. His nickname should have been Pac Man...

[jacksonianmarch]

Rehabbing players are expected to do at least a portion of their rehab with the team so they can check on progress. Ellsbury effectively just went home and went AWOL during his "rehab". I agree with the Yanks on this one. If under contract and getting paid $25 mil a year, you jump when they tell you to

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

round is the shape he was shooting for

 

Pear shape, as in grow a pear...

[kenmeister]

The madness is not going to stop, not as long as baseball is flourishing financially. Free agents are hit and miss, and all the stat geeks in the world haven't figured out a way to predict with certainty which ones will succeed and which will flop.

 

It doesn't need to stop for other teams. Just the Red Sox.

[notin]

One bloggers likes the idea of a reunion.

 

https://www.thepeskypole.net/2019/11/why-return-to-red-sox-makes-sense-for.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ThePeskyPole+%28The+Pesky+Pole%29

[Bellhorn04]

One bloggers likes the idea of a reunion.

 

https://www.thepeskypole.net/2019/11/why-return-to-red-sox-makes-sense-for.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ThePeskyPole+%28The+Pesky+Pole%29

 

Nothing to lose, really.

[moonslav59]

Nothing to lose, really.

 

A minor league deal is all I'd even think about, but like Buch, let's just stay "moved on."

[Bellhorn04]

A minor league deal is all I'd even think about, but like Buch, let's just stay "moved on."

 

I'd think about Buch too, of course. This might be a good year to try anything LOL

[vegasbob]

Selective memory bias on both Ells and Buch. But it makes a good story if either had a semblance of their one time skills.

[Bellhorn04]

Selective memory bias on both Ells and Buch. But it makes a good story if either had a semblance of their one time skills.

 

I'm just thinking, 2020 might be the year to try things you might normally not do. Especially cheap things. And things that might provide some entertainment.

[moonslav59]

I'd think about Buch too, of course. This might be a good year to try anything LOL

 

I'm not laughing.

[jad]

ESPN reports Yankees are trying not to pay 25million they owe him. Typical s*** from this organization. They make bad contracts, then try not to abide by thtem. E.g., their treatment of A-rod, essentially trying to shame him into retirement. Now they unilaterally declare that J.E.'s contract is non-guaranteed because he got treatment from a non Yankee doctor. I hope the players' union comes down hard on this.

[illinoisredsox]

ESPN reports Yankees are trying not to pay 25million they owe him. Typical s*** from this organization. They make bad contracts, then try not to abide by thtem. E.g., their treatment of A-rod, essentially trying to shame him into retirement. Now they unilaterally declare that J.E.'s contract is non-guaranteed because he got treatment from a non Yankee doctor. I hope the players' union comes down hard on this.

 

They’ll get away with it; the Yankees don’t have to abide by the same rules as the other 29 clubs.

[jad]

They’ll get away with it; the Yankees don’t have to abide by the same rules as the other 29 clubs.

 

I don't think they got away with their A-rod scam. This will be a slam-dunk for the Union and any arbitrator.

[moonslav59]

We keep hearing things like, "If we trade JD, nobody will want to play for the Sox anymore."

 

Why does anyone ever want to play for the Skankees?

[notin]

We keep hearing things like, "If we trade JD, nobody will want to play for the Sox anymore."

 

If anyone ever actually said that, it needs to be bookmarked by everyone and added to everyone’s signature line - with credit. A comment at that special level of stupid needs the proper recognition...

[notin]

They’ll get away with it; the Yankees don’t have to abide by the same rules as the other 29 clubs.

 

Are you forgetting? Scott Boras is also a lawyer...

[Tedballgame]

Rehabbing players are expected to do at least a portion of their rehab with the team so they can check on progress. Ellsbury effectively just went home and went AWOL during his "rehab". I agree with the Yanks on this one. If under contract and getting paid $25 mil a year, you jump when they tell you to

Cheapskates!!!!!

[jacksonianmarch]

It’s not a cheapskate issue. It’s a job. If your job required you to work and show up and you don’t show up, what will happen?

[notin]

It’s not a cheapskate issue. It’s a job. If your job required you to work and show up and you don’t show up, what will happen?

 

Well, I doubt we have all the details.

 

The CBA does require a player notify the team prior to consulting his own physician, but the Yankees are allegedly complaining Ellsbury sought unapproved medical opinions. There is a difference between notification and approval. Did Ellsbury properly notify the Yankees or not? And is the reason for this notification because of the team’s responsibility to pay for the travel, lodging, and medical expenses involved (which per the CBA, they are responsible for)? If so, what if Ellsbury wasn’t looking for reimbursement?

 

Is Ellsbury the first player ever to handle his own rehab? Probably not, but it does seem like he is the first to be penalized for it.

 

Plenty of players milk their injuries or make little to no attempt to get better. Ellsbury was at least doing something along those lines. If he had simply done nothing and sat out, he might be better off.

 

And does the CBA have any clauses for what is acceptable punishment for transgressions for outside medical opinions? Or for withholding salary? Is what the Yankees trying to do legal here?

Edited November 23, 2019 by notin

[jad]

Well, I doubt we have all the details.

 

The CBA does require a player notify the team prior to consulting his own physician, but the Yankees are allegedly complaining Ellsbury sought unapproved medical opinions. There is a difference between notification and approval. Did Ellsbury properly notify the Yankees or not? And is the reason for this notification because of the team’s responsibility to pay for the travel, lodging, and medical expenses involved (which per the CBA, they are responsible for)? If so, what if Ellsbury wasn’t looking for reimbursement?

 

Is Ellsbury the first player ever to handle his own rehab? Probably not, but it does seem like he is the first to be penalized for it.

 

Plenty of players milk their injuries or make little to no attempt to get better. Ellsbury was at least doing something along those lines. If he had simply done nothing and sat out, he might be better off.

 

And does the CBA have any clauses for what is acceptable punishment for transgressions for outside medical opinions? Or for withholding salary? Is what the Yankees trying to do legal here?

 

There is no way the Yankees will make this stick. They have a history (as do the RS) of blaming players for their own offering of bad contracts. The RS, however, also have a history of paying the money they signed on to spend.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, I doubt we have all the details.

 

The CBA does require a player notify the team prior to consulting his own physician, but the Yankees are allegedly complaining Ellsbury sought unapproved medical opinions. There is a difference between notification and approval. Did Ellsbury properly notify the Yankees or not? And is the reason for this notification because of the team’s responsibility to pay for the travel, lodging, and medical expenses involved (which per the CBA, they are responsible for)? If so, what if Ellsbury wasn’t looking for reimbursement?

 

Is Ellsbury the first player ever to handle his own rehab? Probably not, but it does seem like he is the first to be penalized for it.

 

Plenty of players milk their injuries or make little to no attempt to get better. Ellsbury was at least doing something along those lines. If he had simply done nothing and sat out, he might be better off.

 

And does the CBA have any clauses for what is acceptable punishment for transgressions for outside medical opinions? Or for withholding salary? Is what the Yankees trying to do legal here?

 

It will go to an arbiter. Listen, he sought outside medical treatment and then rehabbed away from the team. He was not given permission for either. When you are on a big contract like this one, you jump when they tell you to jump. These contracts are typically iron clad in terms of your responsibilities, but usually arbiters side with the employee over the employer. This is the Yanks' attempt to get out from under the financial obligation. I do not think they will be successful, but it is at least a reasonable argument.

[jacksonianmarch]

There is no way the Yankees will make this stick. They have a history (as do the RS) of blaming players for their own offering of bad contracts. The RS, however, also have a history of paying the money they signed on to spend.

 

If a player followed everything the organization asked of them, then the teams have absolutely no legal avenue to go after the money. I remember when Ellsbury broke his ribs and he and the sox entirely disagreed over his treatment and management and essentially threatened to fine or suspend him.....until the sox found out that their medical team was a bunch of hacks and f***ed up his diagnosis. Might be the same with the Yanks, especially after this season. Who knows