Price is the Huckleberry bank on it .

[notin]

That's true; his WHIP was only 1.09 far better than E-Rod's 1.33, yet somehow E-Rod managed a 3.81 ERA and Sale a 4.40 ERA. It looks like Sale succumbed to the home run ball; both he and E-Rod gave up 24 yet E-Rod had 203 innings to Sale's 147. But I'm less worried about Sale's performance on the field and more worried about the amount of time he spends on the field.

 

2016 - 226.2 innings

2017 - 214.1 innings

2018 - 158.0 innings

2019 - 147.1 innings

 

It's trending downwards. We can extrapolate to say 125 innings next year.

 

 

Not if he is healthy.

 

He did give up more home runs last year, but you know who else did? Pretty much every pitcher in MLB...

[moonslav59]

Yeah that's like $60mill in salary for 2020, and then $32 mill for each of the next two seasons.

 

If the Sox take back Myers, the Padres would get Price for a net salary of $27.5 mill total spread out over 3 years. Price is no longer a $31mill per year pitcher, but he is probably still a $9mill / year pitcher.

 

And the Padres need not worry about replacing Myers. They have too many outfielders already...

 

I think Price might get $40M/3, if he was a FA this winter.

[notin]

I think Price might get $40M/3, if he was a FA this winter.

 

All the more reason Bloom and Preller need to get together and swap Price for Myers.

 

The $18mill AAV savings should help the Sox get under the limit and possibly keep Mookie. And the Padres get a veteran starter for their young staff at a net cost of $9 mill per year.

 

Not sure why this trade has not happened already. Anyone got Bloom's cell?

 

The only real problem is the Red Sox would have to get another SP to replace Price. But I think that can be done for less than $18mill

[moonslav59]

All the more reason Bloom and Preller need to get together and swap Price for Myers.

 

The $18mill AAV savings should help the Sox get under the limit and possibly keep Mookie. And the Padres get a veteran starter for their young staff at a net cost of $9 mill per year.

 

Not sure why this trade has not happened already. Anyone got Bloom's cell?

 

Maybe they are haggling over an amount of money that follows Price. Maybe he's playing Odor vs Myers. Maybe there's someone else interested. Maybe all this is not even being discussed.

 

(I'd take Odor over Myers due to more money saved.)

[notin]

Maybe they are haggling over an amount of money that follows Price. Maybe he's playing Odor vs Myers. Maybe there's someone else interested. Maybe all this is not even being discussed.

 

(I'd take Odor over Myers due to more money saved.)

 

Me too. I'm just not as confident of Texas making that trade.

 

I'm also guessing "not being discussed." So far this trade possibility only exists in my mind...

[harmony]

Maybe they are haggling over an amount of money that follows Price. Maybe he's playing Odor vs Myers. Maybe there's someone else interested. Maybe all this is not even being discussed.

 

(I'd take Odor over Myers due to more money saved.)

Would the Rangers be willing to pay David Price a net $20 million annually for the next three seasons?

Edited November 22, 2019 by harmony

[moonslav59]

Would the Rangers be willing to pay David Price a net $20 million annually for the next three seasons?

 

I think we may have to pitch in something like $5M a year, or maybe we take Jesse Chavez ($4M/1 left).

 

If we end up trading Betts, too (not to Texas), maybe we trade Price & JBJ to TX for Odor and Choo ($21M/1 left but $18.5 on the tax budget).

 

 

 

Edited November 22, 2019 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

Texas has been a rather unfriendly ballpark for David.

[moonslav59]

Texas has been a rather unfriendly ballpark for David.

 

Eovaldi is from Texas- maybe him for Odor? Price for Myers, and we keep Betts and have some money left over for some Bloom bargain signings.

[harmony]

Eovaldi is from Texas- maybe him for Odor? Price for Myers, and we keep Betts and have some money left over for some Bloom bargain signings.

The Trade Simulator is OK with those trades:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

Who would take the mound for the 2020 Red Sox?

[moonslav59]

The Trade Simulator is OK with those trades:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

Who would take the mound for the 2020 Red Sox?

 

The money saved would allow us to sign some lower budget guys, or maybe Bloom "does his thing" and finds some gems in the rough.

 

BTW, Price and Eovaldi may not "pitch for the Sox" even if we don't trade them.

[harmony]

The money saved would allow us to sign some lower budget guys, or maybe Bloom "does his thing" and finds some gems in the rough.

 

BTW, Price and Eovaldi may not "pitch for the Sox" even if we don't trade them.

Not to mention the questionable status of Chris Sale.

[harmony]

David Price is a 34-year-old lefthander with three years and $96 million remaining on his contract.

 

Last offseason Robinson Cano was a 36-year-old second baseman with five years and $120 million remaining on his contract.

 

The Seattle Mariners were able to move Cano's contract in exchange for prospects Jarred Kelenic and Justin Dunn, who now rank No. 13 and No. 70 at MLB Prospect Watch:

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=sea

 

Of course, the trade was more complicated than that. The Mariners surrendered a valuable long-term asset in closer Edwin Diaz, chipped in $20 million and assumed the deadweight contracts of Jay Bruce and Anthony Swarzak.

 

The lesson, though, is that the Red Sox could move the Price contract by offsetting its negative value with an asset such as Andrew Benintendi, Mookie Betts and/or Eduardo Rodriguez. The package would likely hurt the Sox chances in 2020 but could contribute to the club's long-range health.

Last offseason, coming off 89 wins, the Seattle Mariners decided to "step back" and shoot for contention in 2021 and later. The immediate result was a 94-loss season this year.

 

This offseason, coming off 84 wins, the Red Sox face tough decisions, especially with luxury tax considerations and three question marks in the starting rotation.

[Bellhorn04]

Last offseason, coming off 89 wins, the Seattle Mariners decided to "step back" and shoot for contention in 2021 and later. The immediate result was a 94-loss season this year.

 

This offseason, coming off 84 wins, the Red Sox face tough decisions, especially with luxury tax considerations and three question marks in the starting rotation.

 

Thanks for the news flash, harms.

[vegasbob]

I assume Chris Sale is having a hard time getting a DR. appointment , what with Thanksgiving and all. His physical evaluation needs to be complete soon so Bloom can plan a little better for the Rule 5 draft and interaction with other GMs in December. This is not a "no news is good news" hiatus on Sale's condition.

 

Other teams taking on David Price for 3 years ? That is a tough one without Price and his salary being the throw in to a bigger deal, maybe with Mookie or JD.

[Bellhorn04]

Some folks here expressed the opinion that JD must have talked to the Red Sox about the trade stuff before he made his decision. And that they told him they wouldn't be trading him. I think Sam Kennedy said the team was thrilled about him not opting out.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Not sure if I totally believe anything the spin doctor says. Remember when he agreed to do an interview about why the Red Sox didn't hold a presser to announce DD's firing... and never actually answered the question? As for Sale, I think no news is not good news. If there were problems or setbacks, Boston wouldn't go public, lest any potential trade partner gleans desperation and ups their demands (and I mean potential trades for other pitchers -- though it would also obviously affect any Sale trade options).

[moonslav59]

Some folks here expressed the opinion that JD must have talked to the Red Sox about the trade stuff before he made his decision. And that they told him they wouldn't be trading him. I think Sam Kennedy said the team was thrilled about him not opting out.

 

Who knows.

 

If they wanted JD to opt out, would they have said it?

 

I do think they were probably happy he didn't opt out, but it's hard to know.

[kenmeister]

So, have the Sox made any moves at all yet? Just checking I didn't miss anything.

[moonslav59]

So, have the Sox made any moves at all yet? Just checking I didn't miss anything.

 

They added 4 rule 5 guys to the roster: Dalbec, Chatham, Wilson and Aybar.

[a700hitter]

So, have the Sox made any moves at all yet? Just checking I didn't miss anything.

Bloom has hit the ground standing.

[Bellhorn04]

It's pretty bad when the only half-interesting news items are the Astros cheating investigation and the Yankees trying to withhold Ellsbury's salary.

[a700hitter]

I wonder how this will play with ownership when the middle of December comes and advanced ticket sales are nonexistent and people don’t renew their season plans. They had the temerity to increase the already overpriced ticket prices after last years enormous disappointment. I have had a season ticket plan for the last 4 seasons (two seasons were full season plans). There is no secondary market for their tickets. I never was in it to make a profit, but I don’t see any reason to take a bath. Last year, I offloaded 65 games to Ace Ticket for about my cost for those games. This season, Ace Ticket will not come close to my cost. They are cutting their inventory drastically on Red Sox tickets, because last season was a bad year for them. Normally, Ace will purchase the tickets even after down years to keep the relationship going, but they have had tight margins for the last few seasons and this season they expect a collapse in the secondary market. Happy hunting on Stubhub for 2020.

[Bellhorn04]

I wonder how this will play with ownership when the middle of December comes and advanced ticket sales are nonexistent and people don’t renew their season plans. They had the temerity to increase the already overpriced ticket prices after last years enormous disappointment. I have had a season ticket plan for the last 4 seasons (two seasons were full season plans). There is no secondary market for their tickets. I never was in it to make a profit, but I don’t see any reason to take a bath. Last year, I offloaded 65 games to Ace Ticket for about my cost for those games. This season, Ace Ticket will not come close to my cost. They are cutting their inventory drastically on Red Sox tickets, because last season was a bad year for them. Normally, Ace will purchase the tickets even after down years to keep the relationship going, but they have had tight margins for the last few seasons and this season they expect a collapse in the secondary market. Happy hunting on Stubhub for 2020.

 

In retrospect, I'm not sure what the Red Sox were thinking when they made the big statement about trying to get under the $208 million mark.

 

Hopefully they're freaking out a little about ticket sales and realize they're going to take a bath if they stick to that plan.

[a700hitter]

In retrospect, I'm not sure what the Red Sox were thinking when they made the big statement about trying to get under the $208 million mark.

 

Hopefully they're freaking out a little about ticket sales and realize they're going to take a bath on ticket sales if they stick to that plan.

I really think they are about to get the shock of their life regarding ticket sales.

[Bellhorn04]

Prospective ticket buyers are in the dark about a lot of things. Including the status of Chris Sale, who still hasn't had that followup visit with Dr. Andrews that was supposedly scheduled for 'mid-November'.

[OH FOY]

If I was a GM for another team, making me take on Price to get Betts would be an absolute deal breaker.

 

Absolutely, this move does everything. Might be able to grab some decent Prospects too.

[OH FOY]

Chris Sale and the start of his new deal, plus injuries, make him impossible to move, unless he shows he's OK. And if he is OK, I just keep him.

[Bellhorn04]

I wonder how this will play with ownership when the middle of December comes and advanced ticket sales are nonexistent and people don’t renew their season plans. They had the temerity to increase the already overpriced ticket prices after last years enormous disappointment. I have had a season ticket plan for the last 4 seasons (two seasons were full season plans). There is no secondary market for their tickets. I never was in it to make a profit, but I don’t see any reason to take a bath. Last year, I offloaded 65 games to Ace Ticket for about my cost for those games. This season, Ace Ticket will not come close to my cost. They are cutting their inventory drastically on Red Sox tickets, because last season was a bad year for them. Normally, Ace will purchase the tickets even after down years to keep the relationship going, but they have had tight margins for the last few seasons and this season they expect a collapse in the secondary market. Happy hunting on Stubhub for 2020.

 

So what does the Sox ad campaign look like right now?

 

"We're raising prices and slashing payroll to improve our bottom line. Won't you help us?"

 

"Mookie Betts - will he be here or won't he? Buy now, find out later!"

[a700hitter]

So what does the Sox ad campaign look like right now?

 

"We're raising prices and slashing payroll to improve our bottom line. Won't you help us?"

 

"Mookie Betts - will he be here or won't he? Buy now, find out later!"

My Mets fan friends came up with a mock ad slogan for the Mets a few years ago. It went like something this: "You will get less, pay more for it, and we are hoping that you will like it."