Price is the Huckleberry bank on it .

[notin]

The website should explain its updates since the end of the season.

 

Tell them.

 

They’re are two possible reasons for changes.

 

1) Change in (projected) salary. Expect a bunch to change as arbitration cases end.

 

2) Change in projected future WAR.

[moonslav59]

I see they updated Myers’ value.

 

Hey if the Padres have to include a few of their prospects to help with their 40 man roster crunch, all the better. David Price for Myers, Trey Wingenter and Jorge Ona...

 

Bloom needs to get off his assssss!

[notin]

Bloom needs to get off his assssss!

 

I know. I’ve already done all the research. Make some calls, Chaim!!

[Swiharts Ghost]

Bloom needs to get off his assssss!

 

Lol love it

[Swiharts Ghost]

I'm saving him as the throw-in for my next trade suggestion.

 

Bwaaaahaaaa niiiiiiiice !

[Swiharts Ghost]

If trading Price means keeping Mookie, then you almost have to do it.

 

However, it was the starting pitching that was our downfall last year, not our offense. Do we need a solid starting pitcher more or do we need the position player more? Betts is obviously the better player, but if you asked me who the team would survive better without, I'm not so sure my answer would be Price. Of course, the answer to that question hinges on Price's health, which we don't really know anything about.

 

That said, Price has 3 more years left on his contract, so the decision would be about more than just next year.

It’s sticky but yes you trade Price and hope Bloom still has his magic lantern they rub in Tampa

[Kimmi]

Starting pitching was the problem last year. But would you consider Price to be part of the problem or part of the solution?

 

If he's healthy, which he supposedly is, he's part of the solution.

[moonslav59]

Dumping Price (and or others) and using the savings to sign a pitcher would address the pitching issue, too.

[Kimmi]

Dumping Price (and or others) and using the savings to sign a pitcher would address the pitching issue, too.

 

Absolutely. I would be on board with this.

 

Trading Price and using the savings to keep Mookie while not addressing the pitching issue is a different story.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Absolutely. I would be on board with this.

 

Trading Price and using the savings to keep Mookie while not addressing the pitching issue is a different story.

 

Kimmi and Moon kinda nail this .I would think we didn’t just hire DD 2.0 .

[Larry Cook]

Can bloom create a market that allows us to move Martinez?

[moonslav59]

Can bloom create a market that allows us to move Martinez?

 

I doubt any GM can create a market where one does not exist, but I think a few teams would like to have JD already. It might just be about needing money with the deal or us not getting much back in return, except salary relief and the ability to sign a few bargain FAs with the money saved.

[notin]

Can bloom create a market that allows us to move Martinez?

 

Create a market? JD Martinez is a baseball player. Not a vape flavor...

[moonslav59]

Create a market? JD Martinez is a baseball player. Not a vape flavor...

 

Maybe he meant by throwing in Erod to the trade. That might create a market.

[Swiharts Ghost]

I think he meant maybe Dalby +

[harmony]

David Price is a 34-year-old lefthander with three years and $96 million remaining on his contract.

 

Last offseason Robinson Cano was a 36-year-old second baseman with five years and $120 million remaining on his contract.

 

The Seattle Mariners were able to move Cano's contract in exchange for prospects Jarred Kelenic and Justin Dunn, who now rank No. 13 and No. 70 at MLB Prospect Watch:

 

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=sea

 

Of course, the trade was more complicated than that. The Mariners surrendered a valuable long-term asset in closer Edwin Diaz, chipped in $20 million and assumed the deadweight contracts of Jay Bruce and Anthony Swarzak.

 

The lesson, though, is that the Red Sox could move the Price contract by offsetting its negative value with an asset such as Andrew Benintendi, Mookie Betts and/or Eduardo Rodriguez. The package would likely hurt the Sox chances in 2020 but could contribute to the club's long-range health.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Dalbec or Chavis are enough assets to get Price gone, but don't expect anything good back... except less money to eat.

[notin]

Dalbec or Chavis are enough assets to get Price gone, but don't expect anything good back... except less money to eat.

 

So you think some team will be willing to pay Price $96 mill over the next 3 years just to get Dalbec or Chavis?

 

I hope you're right. But I have my doubts. Very serious doubts...

[notin]

With Price, I'm hoping for a simple "less bad" contract swap. Rougned Odor, for example, is one. Wil Myers is another..

 

Baseballtradevalues would poo poo a straight up Odor/Price swap, but approve a Myers/Price swap. That's weird to me because, as boring as Myers is, he is far better than Odor...

[harmony]

Dalbec or Chavis are enough assets to get Price gone, but don't expect anything good back... except less money to eat.

According to one website, David Price has a negative value of $60 million while Bobby Dalbec and Michael Chavis have surplus values of $18.8 million and $17.7 million, respectively:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

 

The website gives surplus values of $50 million for Mookie Betts, $35.9 million for Andrew Benintendi and $28 million for Eduardo Rodriguez. Theoretically, a package of Price, Benintendi and Rodriguez should yield a return of a player with about $4 million in surplus value.

 

Theoretically.

[moonslav59]

With Price, I'm hoping for a simple "less bad" contract swap. Rougned Odor, for example, is one. Wil Myers is another..

 

Baseballtradevalues would poo poo a straight up Odor/Price swap, but approve a Myers/Price swap. That's weird to me because, as boring as Myers is, he is far better than Odor...

 

I'd do either deal in a heartbeat.

[harmony]

With Price, I'm hoping for a simple "less bad" contract swap. Rougned Odor, for example, is one. Wil Myers is another..

 

Baseballtradevalues would poo poo a straight up Odor/Price swap, but approve a Myers/Price swap. That's weird to me because, as boring as Myers is, he is far better than Odor...

Steamer projects a 26-year-old Roughed Odor with a 2020 fWAR of 1.1 in 138 games and a 29-year-old Wil Myers with a 2020 fWAR of 0.6 in 122 games.

 

Odor has an AAV of $8.25 million with three years and $36 million remaining on his six-year, $49.5 million contract.

 

Myers has an AAV of $13.83 million with three years and $61 million remaining on his six-year, $83 million contract.

 

One website gives Odor a negative value of $26.7 milion while giving Myers a negative value of $60.3 million:

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/

Edited November 22, 2019 by harmony

[kenmeister]

In the end, I think the Sox will find a taker for a package of Price & Betts for, well, anybody, and we'll have our salary relief. But we will probably be stuck with Sale for a while.

[moonslav59]

In the end, I think the Sox will find a taker for a package of Price & Betts for, well, anybody, and we'll have our salary relief. But we will probably be stuck with Sale for a while.

 

I'm thinking only the Dodgers could afford that package, unless we throw serious money in with the deal, which kind of defeats the purpose.

[Bellhorn04]

In the end, I think the Sox will find a taker for a package of Price & Betts for, well, anybody, and we'll have our salary relief. But we will probably be stuck with Sale for a while.

 

Let's try to be a little optimistic about Sale.

[kenmeister]

Let's try to be a little optimistic about Sale.

 

Sorry. I do have some optimism for Eovaldi if it helps.

[notin]

In the end, I think the Sox will find a taker for a package of Price & Betts for, well, anybody, and we'll have our salary relief. But we will probably be stuck with Sale for a while.

 

I'll take being "stuck with Sale." If his arm his healthy, he pitched better last year than the ERA indicated. His xFIP was among the lowest in MLB, and he had that ungodly streak of something like 41 strikeouts without a walk...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

So you think some team will be willing to pay Price $96 mill over the next 3 years just to get Dalbec or Chavis?

 

I hope you're right. But I have my doubts. Very serious doubts...

 

Not the whole 96 -- "less money to eat" still means we'd have to subsidize the deal. But I don't see anyone of value coming back, and if we do have to take someone else's bad contract, so be it... as long as it's less -- and what wouldn't be, compared to the most expensive pitcher in MLB history (no thank you very much, DD)/

[notin]

I'm thinking only the Dodgers could afford that package, unless we throw serious money in with the deal, which kind of defeats the purpose.

 

Yeah that's like $60mill in salary for 2020, and then $32 mill for each of the next two seasons.

 

If the Sox take back Myers, the Padres would get Price for a net salary of $27.5 mill total spread out over 3 years. Price is no longer a $31mill per year pitcher, but he is probably still a $9mill / year pitcher.

 

And the Padres need not worry about replacing Myers. They have too many outfielders already...

[kenmeister]

I'll take being "stuck with Sale." If his arm his healthy, he pitched better last year than the ERA indicated. His xFIP was among the lowest in MLB, and he had that ungodly streak of something like 41 strikeouts without a walk...

 

That's true; his WHIP was only 1.09 far better than E-Rod's 1.33, yet somehow E-Rod managed a 3.81 ERA and Sale a 4.40 ERA. It looks like Sale succumbed to the home run ball; both he and E-Rod gave up 24 yet E-Rod had 203 innings to Sale's 147. But I'm less worried about Sale's performance on the field and more worried about the amount of time he spends on the field.

 

2016 - 226.2 innings

2017 - 214.1 innings

2018 - 158.0 innings

2019 - 147.1 innings

 

It's trending downwards. We can extrapolate to say 125 innings next year.