A Realistic View at 2020: Part I

[notin]

Why do we hurt the farm for 3-5 years? We just need to add a $10M starting pitcher or come up with an internal option. I'd like to think we'll add another year of experience to our entire farm system.

 

Who are we trading away?

 

It's not that simple.

 

first of all, just coming up with another internal option isn't so easy as making a phone call and meeting the guy at the bus depot. The Sox used a bunch of internal options this year, and how many ere any good? Heranadez stood out, but he had clear flaws - such as having less control than Keith Richards in a narcotics detective's evidence locker.

 

As for a $10mill pitcher, great if you get the next Lance Lynn. Not so much if you get the next Trevor Cahill or Matt Harvey...

[notin]

Do we really want to save billionaire John Henry a little money and suffer through one or more seasons of dismal baseball ? I know I don't . A baseball season is a long time . A good chunk of our very limited time on this mortal coil .

 

It's not like the choice is up to us.

 

Not sure why people always make the "why do you want to save this guy's money?" argument. It's not about whether or not we want to; it's about whether or not it will happen. Predictions are not wishes.

 

And we all saw this year, Henry absolutely has limits on what he will spend. We have no reason to believe he is ever going to allow an increase...

[Bellhorn04]

It's not like the choice is up to us.

 

Not sure why people always make the "why do you want to save this guy's money?" argument.

 

Yeah, I love that argument. It really is an old favorite of some folks.

[notin]

Yeah, I love that argument. It really is an old favorite of some folks.

 

Like this team is some sort of democracy and we have a say. They don't even read these message boards, let alone consider our opinions...

[notin]

A Reset Plan for 2020

 

Per sportsrac, the Sox have about $56mill they can spend this offseason and still reset. I think the arbitration cases (Betts, Benintendi, Barnes, Workman, Rodriguez) easily eat up about $45mill. As Bradley already makes $8.8mill, he is easily looking at $10-12mill and simply cannot be afforded.

 

If JD Martinez comes back (which I expect him to for 2020), the Sox would have about $10mill to spend on a SP, CF, RP and either a 1B or 2B, depending on what happens to Chavis. If they deal Betts and/or Martinez, that number does go way up.

 

The Sox could try to fiull 1b or 2B internally. To me, the 1B options (Dalbec, Travis, Ockimey) aren't all that exciting, especially if they want Dalbec at 1b, as it negates the defense he brings. Dalbec is a prime trade candidate (which might be why the Sox didn't call him up.) I am not a fan of either Travis or Ockimey, even as a pltaoon players.

 

Now, maybe the Sox could deal the dirt cheap Travis to Washington for defensive-oriented offensive crapshoot Michael Taylor. While the trade values are a nice match on baseballtradevalues, that site can't gage interest. And I see no reason why Washington would want Travis, except for liking his minimum wage salary. I do suspect the Sox could trade Dalbec for Jose Urena to fill the rotation spot, as that deal actually does make some sense for both teams. It also eats up about half of the Sox remaining budget.

 

The Sox would have to try to get a very cheap CF/OF, someone like Juan Lagares (free agent), Cameron Maybin (free agent), Billy Hamilton (free agent) or Travis Jankowski (trade). Not sure what San Diego would want in that del, and it's tough to tell, since they can basically field a lineup with prospects. So it's likely the cheapest FA, probably Maybin. But I'd hope it's Lagares.

 

If that happens, the Sox probably go internal at 2B, with Hernandez, Lin, or Chris Owings. I'll assume it' Lin, since I think he's the best of the bunch.

 

And a dirt cheap bench - Oscar Hernandez, Sam Travis, Marco Hernandez, and hopefully an outfielder. Like maybe Cole Sturgeon, who deserves some love. But honestly, probably Owings.

 

SP: Sale, Price, Rodriguez, Eovaldi, Urena

BP: Workman, Barnes, D Hernandez, Taylor, Brewer, Walden and Brian Johnson.

C: Vazquez, Hernandez

INF: Chavis, Lin, Bogaerts, Devers, Travis, Hernandez

OF: Benintendi, Lagares (or ?), Betts, Owings, Martinez.

 

And that team probably puts the Sox right about at the limit. I can see why there is so much talk about trading Betts...

[moonslav59]

A Reset Plan for 2020

 

Per sportsrac, the Sox have about $56mill they can spend this offseason and still reset. I think the arbitration cases (Betts, Benintendi, Barnes, Workman, Rodriguez) easily eat up about $45mill. As Bradley already makes $8.8mill, he is easily looking at $10-12mill and simply cannot be afforded.

 

If JD Martinez comes back (which I expect him to for 2020), the Sox would have about $10mill to spend on a SP, CF, RP and either a 1B or 2B, depending on what happens to Chavis. If they deal Betts and/or Martinez, that number does go way up.

 

The Sox could try to fiull 1b or 2B internally. To me, the 1B options (Dalbec, Travis, Ockimey) aren't all that exciting, especially if they want Dalbec at 1b, as it negates the defense he brings. Dalbec is a prime trade candidate (which might be why the Sox didn't call him up.) I am not a fan of either Travis or Ockimey, even as a pltaoon players.

 

Now, maybe the Sox could deal the dirt cheap Travis to Washington for defensive-oriented offensive crapshoot Michael Taylor. While the trade values are a nice match on baseballtradevalues, that site can't gage interest. And I see no reason why Washington would want Travis, except for liking his minimum wage salary. I do suspect the Sox could trade Dalbec for Jose Urena to fill the rotation spot, as that deal actually does make some sense for both teams. It also eats up about half of the Sox remaining budget.

 

The Sox would have to try to get a very cheap CF/OF, someone like Juan Lagares (free agent), Cameron Maybin (free agent), Billy Hamilton (free agent) or Travis Jankowski (trade). Not sure what San Diego would want in that del, and it's tough to tell, since they can basically field a lineup with prospects. So it's likely the cheapest FA, probably Maybin. But I'd hope it's Lagares.

 

If that happens, the Sox probably go internal at 2B, with Hernandez, Lin, or Chris Owings. I'll assume it' Lin, since I think he's the best of the bunch.

 

And a dirt cheap bench - Oscar Hernandez, Sam Travis, Marco Hernandez, and hopefully an outfielder. Like maybe Cole Sturgeon, who deserves some love. But honestly, probably Owings.

 

SP: Sale, Price, Rodriguez, Eovaldi, Urena

BP: Workman, Barnes, D Hernandez, Taylor, Brewer, Walden and Brian Johnson.

C: Vazquez, Hernandez

INF: Chavis, Lin, Bogaerts, Devers, Travis, Hernandez

OF: Benintendi, Lagares (or ?), Betts, Owings, Martinez.

 

And that team probably puts the Sox right about at the limit. I can see why there is so much talk about trading Betts...

 

Sounds about right, although you never really mentioned Chavis as having a role at starting or platoon 1B or 2B- just later as an IF'er.

[jad]

Like this team is some sort of democracy and we have a say. They don't even read these message boards, let alone consider our opinions...

 

What? Of COURSE they do! Some of the best minds in sports are on this boards and the RS know it! Do you think it's a coincidence that after 86 years, the RS began to win championships just when sports boards began to be popular? Or that DD was fired just when many here began to demand his head?

[notin]

Sounds about right, although you never really mentioned Chavis as having a role at starting or platoon 1B or 2B- just later as an IF'er.

 

In that plan - which, for those who hate it, bear in mind it ain't gonna happen - he's at 1b with Lin at 2B.

[notin]

What? Of COURSE they do! Some of the best minds in sports are on this boards and the RS know it! Do you think it's a coincidence that after 86 years, the RS began to win championships just when sports boards began to be popular? Or that DD was fired just when many here began to demand his head?

 

Well, that would explain it. So... yes...

[Nick]

A Reset Plan for 2020

 

Per sportsrac, the Sox have about $56mill they can spend this offseason and still reset. I think the arbitration cases (Betts, Benintendi, Barnes, Workman, Rodriguez) easily eat up about $45mill. As Bradley already makes $8.8mill, he is easily looking at $10-12mill and simply cannot be afforded.

 

If JD Martinez comes back (which I expect him to for 2020), the Sox would have about $10mill to spend on a SP, CF, RP and either a 1B or 2B, depending on what happens to Chavis. If they deal Betts and/or Martinez, that number does go way up.

 

The Sox could try to fiull 1b or 2B internally. To me, the 1B options (Dalbec, Travis, Ockimey) aren't all that exciting, especially if they want Dalbec at 1b, as it negates the defense he brings. Dalbec is a prime trade candidate (which might be why the Sox didn't call him up.) I am not a fan of either Travis or Ockimey, even as a pltaoon players.

 

Now, maybe the Sox could deal the dirt cheap Travis to Washington for defensive-oriented offensive crapshoot Michael Taylor. While the trade values are a nice match on baseballtradevalues, that site can't gage interest. And I see no reason why Washington would want Travis, except for liking his minimum wage salary. I do suspect the Sox could trade Dalbec for Jose Urena to fill the rotation spot, as that deal actually does make some sense for both teams. It also eats up about half of the Sox remaining budget.

 

The Sox would have to try to get a very cheap CF/OF, someone like Juan Lagares (free agent), Cameron Maybin (free agent), Billy Hamilton (free agent) or Travis Jankowski (trade). Not sure what San Diego would want in that del, and it's tough to tell, since they can basically field a lineup with prospects. So it's likely the cheapest FA, probably Maybin. But I'd hope it's Lagares.

 

If that happens, the Sox probably go internal at 2B, with Hernandez, Lin, or Chris Owings. I'll assume it' Lin, since I think he's the best of the bunch.

 

And a dirt cheap bench - Oscar Hernandez, Sam Travis, Marco Hernandez, and hopefully an outfielder. Like maybe Cole Sturgeon, who deserves some love. But honestly, probably Owings.

 

SP: Sale, Price, Rodriguez, Eovaldi, Urena

BP: Workman, Barnes, D Hernandez, Taylor, Brewer, Walden and Brian Johnson.

C: Vazquez, Hernandez

INF: Chavis, Lin, Bogaerts, Devers, Travis, Hernandez

OF: Benintendi, Lagares (or ?), Betts, Owings, Martinez.

 

And that team probably puts the Sox right about at the limit. I can see why there is so much talk about trading Betts...

 

Why are you trading away Dalbec and complain about building the farm? I don't get the logic.

 

Why not keep everyone?

 

We could go Dalbec at 1B, Chavis at 1B or 2B or DH, Hernandez at 2B, JD primarily at DH and corner outfields on occasion, if we're desperate, move Beni to CF and play Travis in LF. The core group of Betts, Xander, JD, Devers, Vaz, and Chavis will score runs, no?

[notin]

Why are you trading away Dalbec and complain about building the farm? I don't get the logic.

 

Why not keep everyone?

 

We could go Dalbec at 1B, Chavis at 1B or 2B or DH, Hernandez at 2B, JD primarily at DH and corner outfields on occasion, if we're desperate, move Beni to CF and play Travis in LF. The core group of Betts, Xander, JD, Devers, Vaz, and Chavis will score runs, no?

 

 

 

The Sox could keep Dalbec as a 1B. I'm not particularly wild about him anywhere but 3B, where at least he offers defensive skills. At 1b, you lose his defensive skills at the easier position and his offensive game is basically that of a three true outcome hitter - all walks, home runs, and (especially in his case) strikeouts. Since the Sox have very little on the farm and are going to need some pitching, and will probably find free agency expensive and counter to any reset plans. So they are going to need to trade someone. To me, Dalbec is the perfect candidate. He is blocked by Devers at third, an unfavorable type of hitter for 1b, and useful to teams that really do need him at his proper position.

 

The goal is to keep that exact core you listed intact - meaning don't trade Betts.

 

Otherwise, how should the Sox replace Porcello? Hernandez is probably better suited to the bullpen. Brian Johnson sucks. And Shawaryn doesn't excite me much either. Any other internal options?

 

Also plugging Sam Travis in as the everyday LF, or even a part time LF, is an option that will grow old fast. If the Sox need a cheap OF, better off with a glove first candidate for CF than an offensive gamble at a corner. If Travis or whoever gets plugged into LF doesn't hit, you have no offense from LF and weakened the defense in CF to accommodate that player. Not a good idea IMO...

[moonslav59]

Why are you trading away Dalbec and complain about building the farm? I don't get the logic.

 

Why not keep everyone?

 

We could go Dalbec at 1B, Chavis at 1B or 2B or DH, Hernandez at 2B, JD primarily at DH and corner outfields on occasion, if we're desperate, move Beni to CF and play Travis in LF. The core group of Betts, Xander, JD, Devers, Vaz, and Chavis will score runs, no?

 

You could trade Dalbec for a good young 1Bman.

[oldtimer]

You could trade Dalbec for a good young 1Bman.

 

Dalbec may turn out to be a decent 1st baseman with power and Chavis may be able to handle 2nd and show improvement at the plate. Travis doesn't excite me either in the field or at the plate. Okay, but easily replaceable. Chatham may also be suitable as a utility infielder. I see a competition with Holt and Lin for that role. Holts a FA and may command more than we have to spend.

 

The outfield should still have Betts (I hope) and Beni. Who do we have to play at the third outfield spot. It shouldn't be JDM and he may be gone either in 2020 or 2021 anyway. We moved up Duran to 4th on our prospect list. He must show some talent to have made such a big jump so quickly. I'm for taking a hard look at him. Gorky and Owings are no doubt gone.

[moonslav59]

Dalbec may turn out to be a decent 1st baseman with power and Chavis may be able to handle 2nd and show improvement at the plate. Travis doesn't excite me either in the field or at the plate. Okay, but easily replaceable. Chatham may also be suitable as a utility infielder. I see a competition with Holt and Lin for that role. Holts a FA and may command more than we have to spend.

 

The outfield should still have Betts (I hope) and Beni. Who do we have to play at the third outfield spot. It shouldn't be JDM and he may be gone either in 2020 or 2021 anyway. We moved up Duran to 4th on our prospect list. He must show some talent to have made such a big jump so quickly. I'm for taking a hard look at him. Gorky and Owings are no doubt gone.

 

I've suggested Dalbec at 1B. I used to suggest him at 3B and Devers at 1B, but RD has stepped up his defense to the point where messing with him would be a mistake.

 

I'm fine with giving Dalbec a chance at 1B, since 1B is wide open, however, notin makes a valid point. His defense at 3B would be wasted at 1B, and that value may be worth more to another team than ours. Assuming we get equal value back in trade, the theory of trading him to a team in need of a 3Bman for an equal value prospect that plays a position we need makes sense.

 

[moonslav59]

Dalbec may turn out to be a decent 1st baseman with power and Chavis may be able to handle 2nd and show improvement at the plate. Travis doesn't excite me either in the field or at the plate. Okay, but easily replaceable. Chatham may also be suitable as a utility infielder. I see a competition with Holt and Lin for that role. Holts a FA and may command more than we have to spend.

 

The outfield should still have Betts (I hope) and Beni. Who do we have to play at the third outfield spot. It shouldn't be JDM and he may be gone either in 2020 or 2021 anyway. We moved up Duran to 4th on our prospect list. He must show some talent to have made such a big jump so quickly. I'm for taking a hard look at him. Gorky and Owings are no doubt gone.

 

I'm not ready to anoint Duran as our FT CF'er next year, but if we are resetting next year, it might be an option.

 

I'd prefer to use the little budget space we might have with no JBJ on the roster to sign a cheap but great defensive CF'er. Maybe Travis, Duran or Lin can be our OF depth. I don't want JD in the OF, either, unless we are at a NL park.

 

 

 

[notin]

JDM was barely capable of playing outfield this season and had some back issues. He’s a DH and nothing more at this point...

[moonslav59]

A Reset Plan for 2020

 

Per sportsrac, the Sox have about $56mill they can spend this offseason and still reset. I think the arbitration cases (Betts, Benintendi, Barnes, Workman, Rodriguez) easily eat up about $45mill. As Bradley already makes $8.8mill, he is easily looking at $10-12mill and simply cannot be afforded.

 

If JD Martinez comes back (which I expect him to for 2020), the Sox would have about $10mill to spend on a SP, CF, RP and either a 1B or 2B, depending on what happens to Chavis. If they deal Betts and/or Martinez, that number does go way up.

 

The Sox could try to fiull 1b or 2B internally. To me, the 1B options (Dalbec, Travis, Ockimey) aren't all that exciting, especially if they want Dalbec at 1b, as it negates the defense he brings. Dalbec is a prime trade candidate (which might be why the Sox didn't call him up.) I am not a fan of either Travis or Ockimey, even as a pltaoon players.

 

Now, maybe the Sox could deal the dirt cheap Travis to Washington for defensive-oriented offensive crapshoot Michael Taylor. While the trade values are a nice match on baseballtradevalues, that site can't gage interest. And I see no reason why Washington would want Travis, except for liking his minimum wage salary. I do suspect the Sox could trade Dalbec for Jose Urena to fill the rotation spot, as that deal actually does make some sense for both teams. It also eats up about half of the Sox remaining budget.

 

The Sox would have to try to get a very cheap CF/OF, someone like Juan Lagares (free agent), Cameron Maybin (free agent), Billy Hamilton (free agent) or Travis Jankowski (trade). Not sure what San Diego would want in that del, and it's tough to tell, since they can basically field a lineup with prospects. So it's likely the cheapest FA, probably Maybin. But I'd hope it's Lagares.

 

If that happens, the Sox probably go internal at 2B, with Hernandez, Lin, or Chris Owings. I'll assume it' Lin, since I think he's the best of the bunch.

 

And a dirt cheap bench - Oscar Hernandez, Sam Travis, Marco Hernandez, and hopefully an outfielder. Like maybe Cole Sturgeon, who deserves some love. But honestly, probably Owings.

 

SP: Sale, Price, Rodriguez, Eovaldi, Urena

BP: Workman, Barnes, D Hernandez, Taylor, Brewer, Walden and Brian Johnson.

C: Vazquez, Hernandez

INF: Chavis, Lin, Bogaerts, Devers, Travis, Hernandez

OF: Benintendi, Lagares (or ?), Betts, Owings, Martinez.

 

And that team probably puts the Sox right about at the limit. I can see why there is so much talk about trading Betts...

 

This looks realistic.

 

I might go a step further by trading JD for the best prospects or young ML talent I can find, even if I pay part of just his 2020 salary. (He will likely opt out after 2020, unless he gets hurt or falls off a cliff.) I'd hope we go back to spending in 2021, including making a solid offer to Betts.

 

No FA returning. No JBJ or JD. Sign only FAs that look like they can help for the long run at a reasonable cost or 1 year bridge players to fill some gaps and keep us respectable for 2020.

 

SP: Sale, ERod, Price, Eovaldi, D Hernandez, Chacin

(Wright/Johnson/Velazquez/Weber/Shawaryn)

RP: __FA__, Workman, Barnes, Hembree, Taylor, Walden

(Failed SP'er/Brasier/Houck/Brewer/Lakins/Poyner/Reyes/Feltman/Bazardo)

1. Betts RF

2. Beni LF

3. Bogey SS

4. Devers 3B

5. Chavis 2B

6. Dalbec/Ockimey or Travis 1B/DH

7. Ockimey/ Travis 1B/DH or Chatham/Lin 2B

8. Vaz C

9. __FA__ CF

 

Edited September 16, 2019 by moonslav59

[S5Dewey]

Why are you trading away Dalbec and complain about building the farm? I don't get the logic.

 

Why not keep everyone?

 

We could go Dalbec at 1B, Chavis at 1B or 2B or DH, Hernandez at 2B, JD primarily at DH and corner outfields on occasion, if we're desperate, move Beni to CF and play Travis in LF. The core group of Betts, Xander, JD, Devers, Vaz, and Chavis will score runs, no?

 

Speaking of ideas that will grow old fast ^^^^^^

[notin]

Speaking of ideas that will grow old fast ^^^^^^

 

It is a possibility. Just one we all hope doesn't get exercised...

[Nick]

How about keeping Dalbec to replace JD for 2021. Hell he can be a closer also. I'm pretty sure it's legal for DH to replace a pitcher.

[moonslav59]

Speaking of ideas that will grow old fast ^^^^^^

 

Beni in CF is an awful idea, even if just for a 1 year bridge to 2021.

 

Beni in LF is bad enough (defensively).

[notin]

How about keeping Dalbec to replace JD for 2021. Hell he can be a closer also. I'm pretty sure it's legal for DH to replace a pitcher.

 

 

I have my doubts about Bobby Dalbec being able to replace JD Martinez at the plate.

 

If the Sox don’t trade Dalbec,what do you recommend they do to replace Porcello?

[Nick]

I have my doubts about Bobby Dalbec being able to replace JD Martinez at the plate.

 

If the Sox don’t trade Dalbec,what do you recommend they do to replace Porcello?

 

In all seriousness I would stretch Hernadez and give him an opportunity to start. Assuming everyone else is healthy, it maybe worth the risk.

 

Sandoval's contract will take care of Sale and Xander's raises.

Getting rid of JBJ will take care of Betts' arbitration raise. Do what many have suggested, acquire a defensive center fielder.

 

Nunez, Pearce, Moreland and Thornburg's expiring contracts will reduce payroll by $20M. Is it possible to use this money to acquire a back end starter? Will Porcello be agreeable to taking a one year contract to re-establish himself?

 

Chavis can fill in at 1B and Hernandez at 2B. Perhaps not ideal but you do have to look at the overall payroll and the allocation.

Edited September 17, 2019 by Nick

[Bellhorn04]

A half-and-half approach to 2020 is not out of the question.

 

Keep Betts.

 

Pray for the health of Sale, Price and Eovaldi.

 

Fill in the rest as necessary.

 

If it all goes sideways, trade Mookie at the deadline and get some prospects back.

[moonslav59]

A half-and-half approach to 2020 is not out of the question.

 

Keep Betts.

 

Pray for the health of Sale, Price and Eovaldi.

 

Fill in the rest as necessary.

 

If it all goes sideways, trade Mookie at the deadline and get some prospects back.

 

My guess is this will be the plan. I do think the trade or non tender JBJ to stay under the tax line.

 

If we playw ell, we may pick up some players at the deadline and maybe even go over the tax line in an attempt to win in 2020. If we don't, we'll trade Betts and maybe more at the deadline.

[moonslav59]

I have my doubts about Bobby Dalbec being able to replace JD Martinez at the plate.

 

If the Sox don’t trade Dalbec,what do you recommend they do to replace Porcello?

 

Nobody is expecting Dalbec to come any where near JD on offense, and since he's one of our better defensive players, he might be the last choice at DH. Chavis & Ockimey may try and fill that roll (not like JD) after 2020.

 

I can see the point in trading Dalbec, who is blocked at his most value fulfilling position, but we really need a 1Bman next year.

[notin]

Nobody is expecting Dalbec to come any where near JD on offense, and since he's one of our better defensive players, he might be the last choice at DH. Chavis & Ockimey may try and fill that roll (not like JD) after 2020.

 

I can see the point in trading Dalbec, who is blocked at his most value fulfilling position, but we really need a 1Bman next year.

 

Or a 2b, if Chavis plays 1b. 2b is typically easier to fill and we have better internal candidates for 2b than 1b...

[moonslav59]

Or a 2b, if Chavis plays 1b. 2b is typically easier to fill and we have better internal candidates for 2b than 1b...

 

I'm thinking it's about even:

 

1B: Chavis, Travis, Dalbec, Ockimey

 

2B: Chavis, Marco, Lin, Chatham (Dalbec?)

[notin]

In all seriousness I would stretch Hernadez and give him an opportunity to start. Assuming everyone else is healthy, it maybe worth the risk.

 

Sandoval's contract will take care of Sale and Xander's raises.

Getting rid of JBJ will take care of Betts' arbitration raise. Do what many have suggested, acquire a defensive center fielder.

 

Nunez, Pearce, Moreland and Thornburg's expiring contracts will reduce payroll by $20M. Is it possible to use this money to acquire a back end starter? Will Porcello be agreeable to taking a one year contract to re-establish himself?

 

Chavis can fill in at 1B and Hernandez at 2B. Perhaps not ideal but you do have to look at the overall payroll and the allocation.

 

To me, if sportrac is correct, the Sox have $56mill for arbitration cases and everything else before they cross the luxury tax line. The arb cases for Betts, Benintendi, Rodriguez, Workman, and Barnes should easily top $40mill and will probably be closer to $45mill, maybe slightly over Hopefully not over that amount by too much.

 

As for stretching out Hernandez, he needs more than durability. He needs control, and lots of it I think he is best utilized in short doses, like from the bullpen. Unless he can find the strike zone a lot better, he will certainly have bad days out there, but also good ones. Put him in a role where he has to pitch 5 or 6 IP every time, he will absolutely have a bad inning every outing...

[notin]

I'm thinking it's about even:

 

1B: Chavis, Travis, Dalbec, Ockimey

 

2B: Chavis, Marco, Lin, Chatham (Dalbec?)

 

Apparently you like Travis and Ockimey a lot better than I do....